Dive into the incredible world of microdosing psilocybin with Tracy Tee, founder of Moms on Mushrooms. Tracy shares her personal journey with psychedelics, highlighting the profound impact they have had on her physical and emotional well-being. Tracey and I explore the rising trend of mothers embracing psilocybin and the sense of peace and balance it brings to their lives.
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Dr. Mindy Pelz
On this episode of The resetter podcast, I bring you Tracy T. Okay, this is such a good conversation, we got to have a heart to heart before it starts. So Tracy has a what is quickly becoming a very famous Instagram page called mom’s on mushrooms. And I have been following her page for the last couple of years as my interest in psilocybin and how it can help us hormonally has grown. And I’ve watched her go on Good Morning, America. I’ve watched her on Dr. Phil, I’ve watched her on Fox News. And she’s getting quite a bit of attention right now and for good reason. And so I reached out to her and asked her if she would come have a conversation with me about the basics around micro dosing psilocybin, what do we need to know what Has she seen in her community of moms? That is working? And why is this becoming a trend that many women are stepping into? So in this conversation, you’re going to hear all of that you’re going to hear how she got involved in the psychedelic community, why she personally as a woman, as a mom turned towards psychedelics as a tool to help her physical and emotional health it was both and how she is now leading a movement of moms that are finding incredible peace in using psilocybin as a tool for mental health. But also, it has so many beautiful physical benefits. Tracy and I, I’ve never met her before we quickly became soul sisters in this conversation around women’s health. So it’s, it’s a really heartfelt discussion because I know so many of you are suffering mentally and physically, especially through the menopausal journey. And I know many of you grew up in the era where drugs were just an absolute hard No, and we were taught when we take drugs that destroys our brain. But we need to relook at certain psychedelics like mushrooms, because the science I have pulled together a team of scientists over the last two years to really look at the benefits for the menopausal brain specifically, when it comes to psilocybin. And the science is incredibly promising. Now, once again, they’re not doing research on women. So as you’ll hear in this conversation, we are trying to make some changes and take back that one singular fact into our own hands. And I’ll share with you towards the end, you’ll hear about some of the research, citizen science research we’ve done, stay open, stay curious. And if what Tracy and I talk about really moves you, you know, we’ve created resources in the notes for you, if it doesn’t move you this is not a lifestyle tool that is being shoved down your neck. This is an opportunity to think beyond the traditional health care approach to things like menopausal brains and how all the mental suffering that goes on in that experience. So Tracy T. I really hope you enjoy this conversation. And if it feels right for you, you find the resources you need to be the best version of yourself and know that I am cheering you on. Enjoy. Welcome to the resetter podcast. This podcast is all about empowering you to believe in yourself again. If you have a passion for learning, if you’re looking to be in control of your health and take your power back. This is the podcast for you.
Dr. Mindy Pelz
First off, I have to welcome you to the resetter podcast. I have been waiting for this conversation. I’m so happy you’re here Tracy. So welcome.
Tracey Tee
Thank you. Same thing I woke up this morning to my family and I was like I gotta talk to Doctor. Like I’m so excited. So it’s a pleasure.
Dr. Mindy Pelz
Thank you. You know one of my my values is that we’re more powerful as women together and especially when it comes to this crazy health care system that isn’t keeping us isn’t doesn’t have us in mind and it definitely when it comes to mental health and definitely when it comes to perimenopause and menopause, they have left us behind. So I have been really in the weeds trying to understand how we can what tools we have to be able to help women and I came across your mom’s on mushroom and I was like a brilliant name and be wow like this is so important for us to understand and get out of this rhetoric that psychedelics is about tripping, that it actually is about him proving mental health. So can we start with that part of the conversation? How the heck did you even get introduced to psychedelics? How did you discover microdosing? And where does this begin? For most of us?
Tracey Tee
Gosh, yeah, thank you. That’s my origin story is kind of long, so I’ll try to truncate it. But I will start by saying I’m a late in life psychonaut I didn’t do anything until my mid 40s never tried anything, didn’t do ecstasy in college with all my friends when they were going to raves in the 90s. I’m from Colorado, I have definitely smoked my fair share of weed but it’s not like my jam, particularly I have drank my whole life, which upon reflection, I’m really looking into the why behind that and, and just why that was ushered in with no barriers, and I just completely embraced it. And, and then never even in a million years thought that I would work or be interested in psychedelics. And also on the other side, I would say, right around the time I turned 40, which was over seven years ago, now, I started looking at my life from a larger lens. And I Alaska seemed really interesting to me at the time. And it just made sense in my brain. So I would read a lot about ayahuasca, I would read a lot about psilocybin, but just thought to myself, There’s no way I could possibly do this. And then as a mother, I was like, When am I gonna go to the Amazon rainforest? Yeah, like, it’s never gonna happen. And also, I have an only child like, it didn’t even seem like a good idea. And so I just never thought that it was something that could be for me. Flash forward to 2020. Like a lot of us, we I, myself personally, and my family went underwent a whole huge sea change. I was actually a comedian, and a performer and I had a live comedy show that toured the country for many, many years that I built, and CO created with my best friend Shana. And we were on the brink of expanding even further, we were days away from signing an Off Broadway contract to do our show in New York, and then pass that show on to a cast in New York City. And then the lockdowns happened. And within two weeks, we ended up canceling over 100, shows and 2020. And over the course of the year, we just watched a business that we built for nearly a decade just slipped through our fingers, like, go away. And as anyone who has built something from the ground up knows, having your own business is very much like a part of who you are, you know, it’s it’s part of your heart and the grief from losing it, especially when you lose it. It’s not even in your control. It’s not like we did some giant mistake, you know, and messed up like, it wasn’t our fault. And so the grief was palpable. But I also was forced in this moment where I didn’t have anything to do. I didn’t know where to go. And I found myself kind of in this big awakening. And in that the medicine just started to call to me more and more. And my same best friend invited me in the summer of 2020, to just she called me up and she’s like, I want you to come camping with me and a bunch of other moms. We’re gonna go to this lake outside Boulder, and you’re gonna put on your big girl pants and you’re gonna take some mushrooms and I was like, okay, like,
Dr. Mindy Pelz
I have no other choice. Like,
Tracey Tee
I guess if that’s what we’re doing, that’s what we’re doing. So I did and, and again, this was this is kind of the arc to a many, many years of like a spiritual exploration, not the least of which was having a full hysterectomy. When I was 41 years old, because I had stage four endometriosis, all of my insides were fused to one side of me we couldn’t even find my ovary we actually had to have a top cancer doctor do my surgery because they were worried that my ureter would be bifurcated. It was a big deal. And then I went into surgical menopause at a really early age. So as you know, I walked into the hospital, with hormones, but obviously majorly out of whack. And I walked out in in hot sweats. And it happens that fast when they remove it and I got nothing like they took everything. So I was really looking at microdosing from that lens because my functional medicine doctor wisely, put me on Wellbutrin to kind of bridge me coming from menopause, you know, from from the surgery, and I’m so grateful that she did but I quickly realized this isn’t sustainable. And what do I do when I want to get off it? And how do I feel when I’m off it like thank you for holding space for me while I went through this big thing. But now I don’t know who I am without those pills. And so microdosing made sense. So anyway, we went camping. When I was driving up there I thought to myself, you know, if I have the experience I think I’m gonna have maybe there’s something here and I did. It was like the best night ever. I felt connected to the universe. I saw every symbol that had ever been made. I was reaffirmed in my like deep belief in God. We went to bed under the stars like smiling and just giving gratitude Food for our families in this precious life. And I was like, why does it ever when you do this, yeah, and and that was what really gave me permission to look into micro dosing. And when I started micro dosing my life just went like that. I really felt like all of the searching the shadow work the inner child work, meditating, creating my own spiritual practice, you know, eating healthy managing, looking at my menopause, everything just became much more clear and much more manageable with the help of a small dose of psilocybin. And something natural that the Earth provided something natural, it didn’t make me high. And so from context, I’m six feet tall, I’m very curvy. I am, you would think that I could take a lot and I really take between 50 and 100 milligrams Max. I mean, that’s such a small small dose because I’m such a lightweight, and it changed everything for me. We also a year into about eight months into me working with like a consistent micro dosing practice. My family was hit by a drunk driver at 11 in the morning, outside Aspen, Colorado, and my daughter and my my nine year old daughter at the time, my 18 year old niece were in the car, we were hit at almost 70 miles an hour, we blew through a guardrail and flew 30 feet and landed in a ditch and had to like pull our kids out of the car, we thankfully walked away. But that is a big traumatic experience. And I know that I was able to just like release it, because I was working with the medicine. And I know that no mother wants to like see her daughter the way I saw my kid flop like a noodle and the grass. After like with our cart and a twist of metal. I know I was just able to like it didn’t attach to me. And I know it was the medicine. And and that brought me to really looking into larger dose journeys as as more healing. And after my first larger dose journey, I was in meditation, and MLM moms on mushrooms just sort of downloaded in my head. And I sat up and I was like, well, that’s genius. And his genius, but it wasn’t me. And from there on, I just kind of just, I’ve just been listening to orders. And I felt very much like and I should say that my, my, my comedy show was called the pumping up show. And it was for mothers to laugh about the things we had in common. And what I realized is that what we did in comedy bringing moms together, this medicine is desperately calling for moms to come together on a deeper level. It’s meant to be done in community. And it’s meant to peel back those onion layers and those barriers to get us talking to get us to come back into our hearts. And it just makes so much sense to me that mothers, especially in this crazy day and age, need an ally, to get us out of this mess, this medical system mess, this mental health mess, and generations of trauma and programming that just don’t work anymore. And this medicine just it helps just open the doors to change your mind.
Dr. Mindy Pelz
Amazing, amazing. And I would 1,000% agree with you from my own personal experience, and which I’ll share here in a moment because I’ve used both micro and macro dosing to navigate the brain changes that have happened to me as I’ve gone through the perimenopause and menopausal journey. And and I want to be very clear to my audience about what that looked like for me because it was very similar to you. But what I want to point out a couple of things that I think is so interesting about words you’re using, and this is what I have found about the psychedelic community being called to the medicine, let’s just use that one comment right there. When I walk into my doctor’s office, I’m given a prescription I’m never asked to use my feminine intuition as to whether that prescription is right for me or not. Yeah, you’re dealing with a group of people who are behind the psychedelic idea. And they’re not saying everybody has to do this. They’re saying, if you’re called to do it, that to me should be the number one rule when it comes to health care for women. Are you called to do something because you have such a wicked female intuition? That if you’re called to do it, I guarantee it’s the right thing. But when you’re shut up and given a prescription, and you’re just told to take it and it shuts down your female intuition. Now, I don’t care how powerful that prescription is. We are building disease.
Tracey Tee
Oh, my gosh, thank you for saying that. It’s so true. Because not only are you given a prescription, you’re given a prescription with these conditions that just layers in this massive amount of fear that if you’ve Terry on either side, and you screw it up, you’re done. And so you have to do it exactly as you’re told, and so many people come to us and the number one question I Good is how do I microdose? And then it’s, I mean, the truth is, and you know this, it’s not rocket science, like No, when you let go of the allopathic way of thinking, the prescriptive way of thinking, it’s actually quite destabilizing for most women, because they want, frankly, a dude new coat to write down something until you when to take it, how to take it exactly the amount. And what we really try to teach is like, again, listen to that intuition, and listen to your body. And the one beautiful thing that I think psilocybin has really done, especially for me, and I have decades of like trauma, I mean, surgery after surgery after surgery, and I’m still unweaving, all of that, but what it made me do is actually feel in my body, and you’re so right, when you, your body tells you when it’s right to do it knows what to do.
Dr. Mindy Pelz
That’s the whole principle of fasting is take food out of the equation and watch the miracles your body can perform. Right. And it’s it’s been really interesting in you know, Fassa girls sold over a half a million copies within the first year. And I’m so grateful for all the incredible like testimonials. But I keep telling my audience like, I’m not a guru, I’m not like, I didn’t do this for you, I gave you a tool that tapped into your own healing power, which is the same message that I hear in the psychedelic community, which is, it’s not, it’s not even the medicine doing it. It’s not the delivery of or whoever took you through the experience of you macro dose, but it is opening up an innate channel within your body. And I can explain brain wise here in a moment, like how that happens. That is allowing you to tap into your own power. And as women, I believe that’s the number one focus we need to have right now is we are so powerful. But we have been living in a patriarchal world that has not allowed us to let that fly. I’m like, let it fly it out. Ladies, like let’s just let it go. It’s it is our moment, you
Tracey Tee
let it fly. And also, there’s so much nuance inside, that we’re told that everything has to be black or white, and I love that you picked up on being called to the medicine because I haven’t actually really sat back and consider those words that I use every day. But the truth is, is you are called as we’re called to anything, as we’re called to a cheeseburger, or as we’re called to go swimming, or to go to Mexico. And and what we’re told, and I have certainly been told this is you’re not allowed to be called to something because it’s, it’s wrong. And it’s right. And there’s nuance inside it. And and we have to we have to pull back this black or white thinking, because it’s not for everybody. No, there. I’m not saying that everyone should be on shrooms. I couldn’t say that might be a good idea. But greed, deeply believe in consent. And it’s also not right for everyone. And but that’s so and this is like very American, and I talk about this all the time that we glob on to something, whether it’s fasting, or psychedelics or the next you know, pilates, whatever, and then we have to go all in and everyone has to do it the same way. And that is exactly opposite of what psychedelic says. It can be. It’s so different and a micro dosing practice. One woman might microdose once a week, one might do five days on two days. Thank you. One might just do macro doses. All are okay. All are okay, perfect.
Dr. Mindy Pelz
Perfect. So talk a little bit about what you’re seeing. Because since you you put moms on mushroom out like you I just everybody should know you’ve been on like Dr. Phil, you’ve been on like, Good Morning America, Fox News. Like I’m watching you. And you haven’t been hearing me cheer you from my living room. I’m like, Go, Go Tracy go. I’m like you don’t even know who I am. And I’m like, so excited. And then I watch people react to you and react to this idea. And it’s not always been easy. It’s not only always been favorable. So I really want to dive into what you’re seeing with women. I will tell you what I’m seeing I saw for myself. And I’ll give a short little brief neurochemical background as to what I think is happening with psilocybin. I will tell you, I don’t know if I’ve publicly said this, I think I did on my podcast somewhere, but fast like a girl was written while I was microdosing. So that whole book was through the lens of the medicine. And I believe that is a large reason why it’s resonating with so many women, it is that I had hit a point in my menopausal journey, where I couldn’t focus and I had a book deadline. And so I went to a friend, a male friend, who was a very well known health influencer, and I said, Tell me where what I need to know about micro dosing, and he put me in touch with somebody who put me on a micro dosing path. Pretty quickly. Within about a week the focus came back, my moods went up, and my creativity just exploded. No buddy knew I was microdose seemed there was no, there was no sense of hallucinations there, it was just like somebody put my brain back on track. I have since done a couple of macro doses guided macro doses that had very similar experiences to you. Where the insight, the compassion, the trauma healing has been profound. And this is the message I think women need to know is that this tool that’s so natural that has no side effects can greatly impact our hormonal journey, specifically, the peri menopausal and menopausal experience. So with that in mind, tell me a little bit about what you know, you had your experience. I’ve had mine, I heard so many women have these experiences? What what do we need to know if a woman is thinking about this? Like, what are you seeing happen to women, The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly? Because I think we should probably put out the ugly, and I’ll share that as well as what I’ve seen. Yeah, I
Tracey Tee
actually love talking about the ugly. What do you what does a woman need to know what does from my perspective, what does a mother needs to know? First of all, perfect, you’re not a bad mom, if you’re thinking about microdosing, you’re not a bad mom, if you take a large dose journey, you’re not a bad person, we have to drop the narrative of the War on Drugs mentality, you’re not going to jump off a building, your brain isn’t gonna fry like an S that is misinformation that our government laid out for decades. And it systematically shut down all research that back in the 50s. I mean, you can read it just in Michael Pollan’s book there. I mean, it’s out there now. But like, there was foundational change with like, lifelong alcohol, alcoholism, and people taking one large dose journey and walk away, walking away and never drinking again, and more importantly, never wanting to drink again. And our government shut all of that research down. And so what you think you know about psychedelics is probably wrong. And what you think you are, when you use them is absolutely wrong. This is not a moral pejorative, if anything, it’s the opposite. If you want to heal, and I deeply think that women right now, I’ve written about this, there’s a drumbeat in the earth that is calling us back to being embodied whole, happy as hell, women and happy Mother’s but happy Mother’s recognize sadness, Happy Mother’s have feelings, Happy Mother’s take care of themselves, and happy Mother’s speak. They use their throat chakras, and they speak their words. And we haven’t done that. We haven’t done that consistently in generations. And so we have to learn how to do it now. And I think this whole this medicine has just shown up as a gift. From my perspective, I believe it’s from God, like I’m very pro God, I’m a big fan of Jesus. I think that the earth god and the mother, the great mother that we walk upon, said, enough with you people, you’re getting it wrong, we’re gonna give you a chance to get it right. So that’s what I want women to No. And then I want nice, yes.
Dr. Mindy Pelz
Can I say something on that? Because I hope the women listening, I love the words, you use the drumbeat of the earth. I have been walking around saying the same thing to all my like, really women empowerment friends, I’m like, Do you feel it? Do you feel what’s going on? Women are standing up for themselves. For the first time. We’re seeing what the patriarch did to our health. And by the patriarch, I don’t mean, you know, man, I mean, the power and the infrastructure that has forced us to live a life that’s like a mini man, and it is destroying our hormones, and we’re losing our sense of intuition. And we’re exhausted and diseases are building. And finally we’re saying enough, there has to be another way. And in that other way, I think women probably are leading this microdosing conversation, because we’re going back to the earth and saying what did the earth provide for us? Yeah, it’s,
Tracey Tee
it’s, it’s, it’s a reclamation, it’s, you’re just realigning with what you already know. And one of the biggest things that happened to me, when I started working with this is I started remembering, I started remembering, like, what I knew, and it’s such a hard thing to describe until you feel it, but I was like, I remember my very first large dose journey. I was lying there. And I was just kind of getting these messages, like these affirmations and I just was lying there. And I was like, I knew this. I know this and you know when things are wrong, and yeah, and we know things are wrong right now. And that’s just the truth. And so, you know, the the flip side of that and you asked about the ugly is that we ought to take our time I have to, you know, we made it this far without it. And whoever is listening who’s considering working with psychedelics, you’ve made it this far, right? Like, you’re Yeah, you’re listening, right? You’re listening. Yeah, thanks may not be great. There’s always room for improvement. But if you have to, you know, you don’t have to start it tomorrow, you don’t have to shove three and a half grams down your throat, like you can take your time and learn. And part of the learning is, is unlearning how we take medicine, which is not just throwing something down our throat from a brown bottle, we have to learn that there’s intention, we have to learn that there’s respect, we have to remember that it comes from the earth that is a gift. And those are it sounds cliche, and it sounds Whoo. But it actually it’s a very long process to come back to that and find gratitude in this medicine. And then also, it’s not, it’s not going to be whining, it’s not going to be like rainbows and roses for everybody. No, no,
Dr. Mindy Pelz
in fact that the first time I really started getting a rhythm with microdosing, a lot of stuff came up. Yeah, a lot of unhealed trauma came up and I actually had moments of anxiety, even though I was able to focus and write this book, there was a lot of trauma that I needed to resolve. And so what I did is I actually went to a therapist, a clinical therapist who understood the microdosing journey, and was work worked with me as those traumas came up. So I think the integration is really an important one, because I do not want this conversation for women to walk away and think you just take this magic little pill in your life goes away. No, this is not a dissociative, it doesn’t check you out of your life, it checks you into your life. And you everything there that’s no longer working for you is going to be right there for you to heal. And that could be painful,
Tracey Tee
destabilizing, scary, you know, when faced with major change, it’s scary, especially as mothers, you know, if I change what is my family, what is my partner going to do? How can Yes, how could I possibly change we have the structure that’s working, I can’t, I don’t deserve to throw a wrench in that I don’t deserve to be different. There’s and that’s, that’s not only practical, right? Like, when I changed my family, I do adjust family to adjust to like Tracy 2.0. But also, but also, I get it, you know, and if you don’t feel like you have partner support, it’s very hard. And just like you, when I really kind of set settled into my practice, I always talk about it was an entire month, a month of March, I cried. The entire month, I cried. Every day I cried on the way home from the grocery store, I would drive around the block, I didn’t even know why I was crying. And that it’s just it was years of emotions, and actually feeling our feelings. And I think in the moms on mushrooms community, one of the biggest things that happens to women is when you first microdose it’s kind of like the first like few days, depending on who you are. But for a lot of people you actually do like feel really great. Like all of a sudden, you’re just like in this really good mood kind of when you start a medicine for the first time, it’s sort of an instant gratification. And then that wears off and the onion layers start to form. And then people will say, Well, it’s been two weeks or a month and I’m not feeling like that anymore. I’m down, I’m depressed. I’m angry. Rage is a big one. I’m sad, I have anxiety, and I’m gonna quit and I’m just gonna go back on my SSRIs. Because, and and that is that is exactly where the unlearning has to happen. Because we aren’t taught especially as women, that it’s okay to cry for a month, you’re labeled as hysterical. You’re labeled as you have a mental health problem. You’re labeled as you need help. And you’re certainly looked at who gives you sympathy for that. Who holds space for you. If you’re just weepy for a
Dr. Mindy Pelz
month? No, no, we the whole culture does not know what to do with us in those moments. No. So
Tracey Tee
that’s probably one of the biggest shocks to people is that you feel worse before you feel better. Yeah,
Dr. Mindy Pelz
yeah. And I want to explain why that happens. Because once I dove into the science on this, what the and the science just so everybody knows is like emerging so quickly. And we’re getting more and more and more more information out. Now. Of course they haven’t done it on women and that may we may be the last version that they do it on, because we’re the last in all research, but it improves neuroplasticity, and neuroplasticity and neurogenesis are these I call them baby neurons. They’re these birthing of these new neurons and you’re creating new connections between different parts of your brain so you have new thoughts and this is why it you can go at looking at your life and think it’s horrible. And you start microdose seen and all of a sudden you’re like wait, I have a new lens to see this with that actually this may not be as horrible as I thought because I believe if the mushrooms actually give you more access to your to your brain, and in that you are seeing things done. Fred, and in that some of those things you see different, might need some healing. So that shouldn’t be a bad thing. Do we want to stay numbed out? Or do we want to go in and start to work on some of these healings? So that’s the first thing I want to say. Second thing is that psilocybin goes into the five HTT to a serotonin receptor site, that is the same receptor site that estradiol stimulates. So you’ve already been getting a stimulation of this receptor site, but any woman going through perimenopause or is postmenopausal Guess what? estradiol she retired. And so you’re left with a lack of stimulation of this receptor site, so you’re not getting as much serotonin. So if I put you on an SSRI that, you know, now you’re addicted to that you’re it’s got a whole bunch of consequences. It’s not a it’s not something that shouldn’t be taken lightly. But if I put you on micro dosing a micro dose of psilocybin, you’re stimulating that with no consequence. Talk a little bit about the moods that you’re seeing in your community, because antidepressants is not the solution and for long term mental health. No,
Tracey Tee
I mean, no. The stories I have heard, are shocking. I mean, consistently women saying, I have been on Zoloft, and Wellbutrin and Adderall or any number of cocktails, a, I don’t even know why I’m taking them. I don’t know which one to start to get off of. I don’t know how I’m scared to get off. And also I find myself looking out the window at my office building and wondering what it would feel like if I just walked out. I have heard that more times. I mean, it’s hard to even say out loud, I have heard it more times.
Dr. Mindy Pelz
Do you know that the most the most common time for a woman to commit suicide is the most common decade is 45 to 55. There is a hormonal reason for that we tend to think of our teenage girls committing suicide. No, it’s our moms. It’s our grandmas. It’s our community leaders that are committing suicide, because of exactly what you just said, they are losing their hormones, and then they get put on medications to try to change that. And they’re not being offered this natural solution that you and I both know work so well.
Tracey Tee
Yeah. And then on top of it on a broader conversation, is the lack of ceremony in our culture, the lack of Rites of Passage, I just realized I had this breakdown, actually at a psychedelic conference with a dear sister of mine that I went with, and we just kind of like stayed up late. And we’re talking one night and all of a sudden, I I missed my uterus, I missed it so much. And I was like, why was it just taken and I didn’t get to say goodbye. And then all my parts got removed. For me everything that I identified as being a woman as being a female is and I had a hard time getting pregnant. So like, it was already a tenuous, you know, relationship to begin with. It was just removed. And then I just was asked to go home the next day, nobody offered any, nobody even mentioned that I might actually feel a hole in my womb, an energetic space that I couldn’t I did not know what to do with. And you compound that with not only many women having surgeries, but having traumatic births, with having terrible periods, with having hormones out of whack, never feeling at home in your body, never ever being asked or told what to do about it. And, and not celebrating the miracle that we are this miraculous, amazing system that we’re allowed to hold inside us that gives life that holds life and does all these amazing things. We just don’t We don’t talk about it. We wouldn’t talk about it at all. You bring
Dr. Mindy Pelz
up such a brilliant point. I had a moment in my pre menopausal journey that I was just really my moods were really struggling. And I was in a meditation and I had this thought, like, why am I villainizing my ovaries like these ovaries produced eggs every single month and two times those eggs actually turned into these beautiful children that I gotten to raise and that I get to love. Why wouldn’t I thank this body part. And I think that your point is even taking that concept to the even the next level which is that we there is no ceremony there is no respect. It’s respect for our body that has been lost. So I really resonate with you there. Talk to us a little bit about the difference between micro and macro doses because I do believe what I’ve seen in my community as I’ve been more vocal about my experience that a lot of women are like sign me up for the micro I’m not sure I’m ready for macro and I think they have different benefits. It’s yeah,
Tracey Tee
I have a unique perspective on this that like some of my mentors don’t actually agree with me on. And when I say mentors, I have amazing teachers. And I always say that I’ve been like brought up in the shamanic way, like by beautiful medicine, women who kind of take the more earth goddess like earth based approach. So that’s where a lot of my context and learning comes from. It’s like the more ancient ways of doing things. But I think that in this society, in the modern, busy American western mother, again, speaking for my community, has no context of ceremony or this medicine. So to jump into a large dose journey, without any context without understanding the navigation of the realms that you’re going to, without having an understanding of what it feels like to have your consciousness expanded, and go to a place that you never dreamt was possible. But then you also completely understand on some level that you don’t understand how you understand can be, and then to be faced with your deepest fears, to be faced with your trauma, to face it head on and to say goodbye to it, which is often the case or hello to it, which is also often the case can be incredibly destabilizing. And if you don’t do that, with good space holders, who know how to help you navigate those landscapes, it can be detrimental to your mental health truly, truly, yeah, so I think that starting with micro dosing, creating an intentional relationship, for me right now it’s with psilocybin mushrooms, create a relationship with these little beings of light, and then feel how they feel in your body. Notice what those changes look like, notice the broadening of connection, because you will feel these things, you will feel the cliche psychedelic side effects of a large dose journey with macro dosing, if you give yourself the opportunity to pay attention, but that effects like what like, like when you’re like connected to everything. Yes, you’ll have so much love, you want to just your heart thinks it’s going to, you’re like the Grinch, it just keeps growing every day by creativity. Oh my gosh, I know what it feels like to write like that. It’s like your brain just opens up and you don’t censor yourself. And so all your best thoughts come through about having focus. Finally focus and no more brain fog, and then feeling joy and playfulness. And better sex better orgasms? Like yes, the list goes on and on. Yeah, that, that you can feel all that with an intentional microdosing practice. And then I encourage everyone when you feel called when you know it’s right, not because it’s trendy, not because your best friend just did it. Not even because your therapist or someone, some spiritual leader says you should do it. When you feel called, I think you should absolutely sit with a medicine and a large dose because it is there. And in that space, there is no comparison. There’s no comparison to a large discerning and microdosing. But I think I think for women, it’s incredibly important to create that relationship first.
Dr. Mindy Pelz
I think that was the most well said explanation of micro versus macro. So thank you. No, I never I never looked at it as like it’s kind of like a warm up. So you can understand this tool that you’re using when you go into a micro. And I would say the macro. What’s interesting about that is like the one of the best macro journeys I did, I had a psychedelic expert and a therapist guiding me through it, both women, both just lovely, lovely experience just holding space for me to just acknowledge what was holding me back. And we literally came up with a checklist after this journey. And then I took it to my everyday my every week therapist, and I was like, here’s what showed up. I really want to work on these things. And I felt like it was this beautiful respect for what nature has provided us. So I think what you said is brilliant. It’s like a, like a gentle approach to going into this really powerful tool.
Tracey Tee
Yeah. And then in the meantime, you’re also learning about this medicine because I think the other thing is and you know this better than anyone how many millions billions of pills have women taken over? They don’t know anything about them. You have no no idea what it is. You have no idea what it’s doing to you except what you’re told this is it a is going to fix be full stop. A is going to fix B but also C D E and F may happen and you may feel like complete caca, but that’s just the way it is. And Aren’t you lucky that B aspects like that’s about the broadness of the conversation of all the pills we take, and I believe we have to learn it. The medicine wants you to know about it. It wants you to know about its magic about its history, about its connection to our original peoples of the way that it’s brought communities together. there and that takes time you don’t get it you don’t do that over you know you do it by sitting with it you do it by learning and talking with other people. And you do it by feeling it in your body. So it is in your so great because you you believe in like working at it and what you did after your large dose journey is you took it to therapy. And that’s where and we don’t we don’t You don’t integrate Zoloft, right.
Dr. Mindy Pelz
That’s actually really well said no, you it because it just shuts you down. Right, like, be happy and shut up kinda is the way I look at that drug. Like, are you happy? And and happiness is is something you have to work at. It’s a journey or delay.
Tracey Tee
You don’t Yeah, you don’t? Yeah, exactly. So Okay, talk
Dr. Mindy Pelz
to me. I think the elephant in the psychedelic room, in my opinion now that we’ve sort of gotten past this idea that our brain is an egg on drugs. I always blame everything on Nancy Reagan. She ruined it for the whole world.
Tracey Tee
She did a number on a lot of us. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Dr. Mindy Pelz
So but it is still illegal. And it’s it’s been decriminalized in many counties and many states. I know here we have a worldwide audience. I know that in certain countries, it’s completely legal in other countries, it’s completely banned. I know here in America that our government is saying that it will be legalized by Supposedly, the last I saw was by 2025. In a therapy setting is what I had seen. So give us a little idea of what the laws are. And how do we work with those or around those? Yeah, so
Tracey Tee
I live in Denver, Colorado. So in Colorado, it is decriminalized, which means that it is the it’s considered the lowest on the lowest rung of law enforcement. And inside that you can gift it’s a it’s a variety of psychedelics, psilocybin, peyote, some other psychedelics, you can gift it, you can gather it, and you can grow it, but you cannot sell it. And inside the psychedelic space, there’s there’s two camps right. Some people think decriminalization first, and some people think legalization first. So decriminalization the good parts about that is it lowers the temperature around criminalizing people working with psychedelics, and it gives the state ideally the whole state time to integrate how this feels in a society. So it’s kind of a nice slow burn, you know, you say okay, Colorado, we’ve decriminalized it let’s sit back and see if we’re all just going to lose our minds and become a giant Burning Man. And then tell said, and, you know, and, and it takes it from a from a cultural standpoint to we, you know, that’s a whole nother conversation about how we incarcerate people of color, way more quickly than we incarcerate people who are white or and it levels that playing field and then legalization obviously is more federally, it would be federally regulated. And then there would be an opportunity for commerce to also exist, which is what the cannabis model eventually followed in the in the in the states that are it’s legalized. There’s pluses and minuses to all of it. How do you work around it? Well, if you’re in a decriminalized state, you can grow your own. It’s really not that hard, easy. And that’s another beautiful thing I think about this medicine it is is incredibly democratic. It’s easy to grow. It’s beautiful to grow, you’re more connected to it than ever. And that is how it should be like truly, that’s how it should be a friend. It’s a friend. And you know, the beautiful thing about mushrooms in particular is it’s also like magic mushrooms. Psilocybin mushrooms are in every corner of the planet. They are not culturally, like stuck to one place like peyote or Bogusky. Yeah, so it really is this global access. Why
Dr. Mindy Pelz
Why would that? Why would the mushroom do that? I just want to say because
Tracey Tee
because they want us to take it I think so
Dr. Mindy Pelz
that’s the way I see it. Yeah, so hold off. Yeah.
Tracey Tee
So successful. So you know, check your states if you and there’s like counties inside states like Michigan and Massachusetts right now a lot of counties are decriminalizing, but the state isn’t there yet. So you you can gift it, you can gather it, you can grow it, which means you can grow it you can give it to your friend. And then in terms of working around the law, I mean, I can’t promote anyone breaking the law. And I also think it’s a ridiculous law. Yeah,
Dr. Mindy Pelz
agreed. Yeah. And I’m also a little bit skeptical that when it actually does become legal, it Big Pharma will try to get a hold of it and try to keep it under their their arm. So which I don’t think it will be allowed to do because you can you can grow it you can totally grow it. So it’s a you know, it’s not like, you know, ibuprofen I can’t just make ibuprofen out of nothing. Yeah. But if if Big Pharma Olson takes it under their arm I can just take my power into my own hands and grow it for myself,
Tracey Tee
you can and this is where education and really learning about these fungi or any plant medicine because it doesn’t just stop with mushrooms, you know, but learning about them and learning about their properties empowers you to take matters into your own hands. And yeah, you know, so you know, a lot of the arguments of like legalizing it or having it be, you know, in a pill form that is payable by insurance is it’s more affordable to everyone. And I’m, I’m just sitting here going, you can just go, you can get Tupperware to attend and just like grow it. And so then it’s really affordable. So I think even if Big Pharma takes it, I believe and part of my mission is to educate before that and understand that it’s not just about putting something into a pill, you can’t synthesize energy, and you can’t synthesize intention. And those things are a learned behavior and something that we as a culture, I think, are being asked to learn together. And my prayer is that those with eyes to see and ears to hear, will understand that this is a Holy Sacrament truly, and treat it as such. And if it becomes more accessible to people, and if facilitators or practitioners who have licenses in psychology, if they feel called to it, and then please God, I hope that they work with the medicine because right now what we’re seeing, especially in Oregon, is a lot of therapists, like you know, psychotherapists are getting their facilitation licensure inside the Oregon so they can legally administer it, and have never worked with it themselves. Wow. And again, my teachers are like, go ahead and try the medicine will kick your ass so hard if you try to do that, that it’s not going to work in the end. And you know, there’s always bad actors.
Dr. Mindy Pelz
Are there different strains like like, you know, with marijuana, it’s like, we’ve got the sativa is, and the indica was like, what do we need to know about the strains? Because that was another thing. Part of my learning curve was dosage and strain in microdosing. And once I found a strain, I don’t even know what exact strain it was, or I found a specific mushroom. I was like, Oh, this is it. This feels congruent for me. Yeah,
Tracey Tee
that science is really emerging. You know, I would say and like new I would say even in the last 10 years, the general thought is like, generally speaking, a strain is a strain is Mushrooms, mushrooms, mushroom. But between strains, there’s sort of like two ways to look at it. There’s the shamanic way, and then there’s the science way, and it’s really just comes down to how much psilocybin is inside the like how potent the mushrooms are. So, from a scientific standpoint, one could argue that the effect of the different effects it has on people is because of the potency and the concentration, because psilocybin is the psychotropic drug, but it’s it turns into psilocybin to our liver when we ingest it through our mouth. And it’s the psilocybin compounds that you want to like, look at if you’re testing mushrooms. And so it’s really only like between one and maybe 2%, Solisten in a mushroom, so that it’s the potency, but then on top, but anecdotally, we people talk about strains all the time, and I believe I test as much as I can, for you know, for the community and I there’s definitely a difference for me in my body between like golden teacher and a plus. You know, and you know, penis envy is the is the, I always hear that that is kind of like the go to for if you want to just have a really big trip. It’s very potent. It’s very strong. And golden teacher, I would say those are like the two like most popular kind of known ones and golden teacher is considered. I always explain it as from other terms, in terms of frozen golden teachers like a warm hug. It’s like Olof, and penis envy is like Elsa. And so we use the metaphor
Dr. Mindy Pelz
to quote, a very famous Disney movie that was really good. That was really good. That was the mushrooms. Oh, for sure. That was just Oh good. I have a really interesting thing to share with you that you may love. So two years ago after I had my own sort of mental healing using mushrooms both in micro and macro ways I wanted to understand I spent the next year trying to understand why this was happening. And I wanted to understand how we could use it through the menopausal journey. So in that I actually gathered a community of women that are in my reset Academy. And we experimented with different ways of using microdose seen as a tool. And we have we brought in a researcher like a clinical researcher to run it and to see it exactly in In a non, you know, the most objective way possible, we used Muse headbands to look at the brain frequency plus we looked at just, you know, more of like symptomatic changes. And the three groups were the placebo was Lion’s Mane, so we had to have a placebo grip. Then one group was just psilocybin and one group was psilocybin with lion’s mane. Mm hmm. Which group do you think got the best change the most? They were the most balanced, they noticed more flexibility of thought they had more happiness.
Tracey Tee
Well, I’m glad you brought this up, but I would say psilocybin and Lion’s Mane, but it has to involve lion’s mane. Yep. Big Lion’s Mane for everybody. I wonder. I’m so glad you brought this up. Yeah,
Dr. Mindy Pelz
yes. Yeah, it was the combination of psilocybin with Lion’s Mane that got the greatest result. And what was really interesting is we had a group of 100 women, that the the requirement is they had to be over 40. And when we looked at I was watching the comments, we created a group just to make sure everybody was held and had had an experience with this that was very positive. And I would watch the statements, everything from like, I’m not really noticing anything, too. I’m feeling kind of anxious, and I don’t know why to Oh, my God, this is heaven. Thank god, somebody finally gave me a tool. And the people that had the best experience were in the grip with psilocybin and lion’s mane. And the researcher was so Pro. So like taken aback by the result with lion’s mane. He’s now continuing on to research that more on women. And what’s interesting is we did it under the heading of citizen science, because to do a big research study takes a lot of money. And I love this idea of citizens taking back science. Yeah, and going okay, let’s just do small groups. And that’s what we found. And it was just, it was incredible. It was incredible to watch.
Tracey Tee
I’m so glad you brought this up because I wanted to mention to you before I even started working with psychedelic mushrooms. I started working with Lion’s Mane particular after my hysterectomy, my brain left the building. Yeah, cuz Esther dial LEFT, she left, she left and she left. Instantly. There was no graduation. God, and I was a performer. I was on stage. And I was flipping what I was supposed to say. I am. I think a lot I read. Um, I think I’m smart, you know, like, and to not be able to form words or to form thoughts. It was like my identity had left me. And I was in Santa Fe with my mom and my sister and we went to a farmers market. And this is this is the beauty of mushrooms and we’re just I came upon this little booth. And I was just kind of like looking at these bottles of tinctures. And this woman was like, You need lion’s mane and I was like, okay, and started taking it. I’m not kidding you. Within two weeks. I got my I got my group back. It changed my life. And I think especially in your perimenopause and menopause years, Lion’s Mane, you can overdo it, take as much as you want. Take it every day, so good and stacked with psilocybin. Yet it’s so powerful, and a lot of the citizen science I’ve been doing is talking with functional mushroom cultivators. And talking to them about the different combinations of functional mushrooms, medicinal mushrooms that aren’t psychotropic with psilocybin and the effects that it can have, like there’s this growing group of people that have that are working with micro dosing psilocybin and Cordis apps, and finding it is almost a one to one comparison to Adderall or Vyvanse. And they are completely weaning off Vyvanse or Adderall and taking micro dosing and cortisol ups. We’re seeing quarter steps and children with you know, ADHD, that is lessening and, and it’s, it’s again, it’s not one size fits all, but the functional mushrooms play such a big Yeah, I
Dr. Mindy Pelz
was just gonna say yeah, yeah, so just so everybody knows there’s psychedelic mushrooms, and then there’s functional mushroom. So the quarter saps and the lion’s mane, they’re functional, but they don’t have a hallucinogenic piece to it like psilocybin does. And if you stack them with a small little bit of psilocybin, you get this amplified effect, which makes sense, you know, what a really good way I like to explain to people to think about what happens to their brain when they’re micro dosing this. I love the visuals from fantastic fungi. If you watched how the logs in a forest would die, and then a mushroom would sprout from that. And then something green and new would grow from that and the visuals of how that mushroom stimulated a whole bunch of growth of new growth is how I think of the brain that the brain is actually growing these new neurons and and I love calling them baby neurons, because if they’re brand new, treat them like a baby, you would talk kindly to them, you wouldn’t ridicule them, and I even have gone as far as to Say I think sometimes the grumpy neurons, when the babies show up, is they kind of want to tell the babies like no this, we think like this, this is how we think. And if we catch the grumpies, and we catch those thoughts, which I believe the microdosing can do, and even microdosing can do it even better, we can have an opportunity to grow new brain and to take these baby neurons and give them new thoughts. Because as we go through especially the perimenopause and menopausal journey, you know, we have a really interesting opportunity to redesign ourselves. And I think of it as a transformation. And I think that transformation so that we come out into our 60s 70s and 80s. And have those be the best years of our life, that transformation is so well facilitated by these mushrooms, because of the ability to us to grow new neurons, a
Tracey Tee
min and then you add, you know, listening to your heart, you know, growing your brain but letting your heart like make some of the decisions, and just even opening up the ability, the the what am I trying to say opening up the opportunity to change, we live in a culture that is very much wants us to be linear. You, you sign up for this church, you sign up for this religion, you sign up for this scientific belief system, you sign you sign up for this education system, you sign up for this political system, and we’re supposed to just do it till we die. And if you veer, you’re considered a little bit nuts. Oh, there’s a misfit. She’s a misfit. They’re a rebel, she’s out there article. She’s a hippie, all the names in the world. But the truth is, is that there’s nothing more amazing than blooming and letting you’re letting your brain bloom letting your heart bloom. And being curious about the world up until the very minute you leave this world and go on to your next adventure. There’s no better gift, and to die that to say I don’t want to do that, or that’s wrong. Seems to me like if you’re going to talk about God, the greatest thing you could commit is to just cut it off. Like, why else are we here? You know,
Dr. Mindy Pelz
so amazing. Amazing. So with that, talk a little bit about the entry point into the psilocybin into psilocybin and micro dosing, because you’ve got some courses that educate women, I think, are they specific women only are at one of those courses.
Tracey Tee
Right now we’re just we’re just focused, I’m just staying in my lane of moms. I think, for me, we having the shared experience of being a woman of being a mother and microdosing, it just takes away some barriers so that it’s easier to talk. And, and so that’s where we focus. And I think that moms in particular, are healing is very different. It’s done in between doctor’s appointments and ballet practice and snacks and wiping butts. Yeah, and for my kids, lacrosse tournaments, and, you know, whatever. Yeah. And so we don’t, we don’t get these broad moments, I don’t get a three and a half hour practice, that guy would like in the morning, you know, it’s up at six, and you’re making sandwiches and stuff. So we understand the challenges of healing, or while you’re raising humans, and we also understand the challenges of healing after you’ve raised humans, and the hole that that leaves and the fear that that can bring, especially as your body is changing. So mom’s on mushrooms, we just try. We’re trying to just bring offerings and just meet moms where they’re at. So we kind of have three buckets. The first and foremost is we have a private membership, called the grow. It’s $2.22 a month, we wanted to make it accessible to everyone possible. So you know, and we invite seasoned Psychonauts who’ve been in the closet, working with medicines for decades and never felt like they had a group of mothers that they could relate to. And we’re we invite women who are terrified but curious, and just want to circle the pond for a while and observe without having to commit to anything. All are welcome. So that’s just in it’s like Facebook, for moms on shrooms. And then we have we have some self guided courses. So if you just want to learn but you don’t want to engage and you just want questions answered, we have microdosing 101 That just is for moms. So it’s why the why the how talking about the five HT receptors, all the sciency stuff, but also like, why for a mom, how is this different for a mom, and it’s all through my eyes, like with real speak. And then we have a macro dosing course coming out. That’s the same thing. And it’s really interesting when you look at why a large dose journey, the different the different buckets where mothers can heal grief, healing relationships, womb, trauma, physical trauma, ancestral trauma, but it’s very different when you’re a mother and those realizations are very different and integration is very different when you’re a mom very depth. So those are like self paced, just read it in your pajamas whenever you want it. And then we have we have groups, small group courses, our foundational course is three and a half months and where we just hold you in a container of 10 women or less, and give you the time and space to create that intentional relationship with the medicine, learn about it. But also have a container where you can have a where you can grow inside it and you learn not only by experiencing yourself, but I think listening to other people experience it as well. And that’s creatively called course one. Because no matter how much the shrooms have helped me. I’ve never felt I’ve never found a better name. So, course one is for everyone. Yeah, you
Dr. Mindy Pelz
what you have done is is truly phenomenal and so helpful. I just want to share a mother’s story on with my macro journey, because I think a lot of mothers will resonate with this. One of the healings that I had is my firstborn, I wanted to have her at home, it was really important to have a home birth and three days into a natural labor, we went to the hospital. And luckily I was able to deliver her vaginally but it was a traumatic experience for me because I wanted it to be different. And so in my macro journey, the facilitator said, let’s read Let’s redo this birth, let’s do it the way you wanted it to be done. Like I could cry about it. And so we did we read it it three women together, me and these two women holding space. And we talked through what was supposed to happen. And do you know my daughter is 24 years old? So I’m an empty nester. And do you know what happened is that when I came back from that journey, my daughter said to me, you’ve softened somehow something you did has softened, and it deepened our relationship. And who knows, if energetically I something was off for me, because I wasn’t able to bring her into the world the way I wanted to, according to my plan. And when I resolved that in a macro journey, everything changed for our relationship, all those whose later I’m a fan of this, it is on so many levels. It’s not just on a level of I’m a happier human it’s on, it has truly helped me heal some some traumatic woman issues that I’ve gone through in my life. So I love what you’re up to. And I hope every woman steps into that, we will leave links for you so that we can you know, if you if this calls, you remember that’s the number one rule, it’s got to call you. If it doesn’t call, you don’t force it. And you know what Tracy has created is amazing. So I just want to before I ask you my last question, I just want to really thank you from the bottom my heart for what you’ve done and putting your neck out and creating this for all the mothers out there.
Tracey Tee
Thank you for seeing me. And also thank you for the work you’re doing. And thank you for that story that just like gave me full body chills. And yeah, thank you. And thank you to those women who helped space for you like this is the miracle of this is like that. What a beautiful moment. Ah, yeah. Anyway, yeah,
Dr. Mindy Pelz
it was incredible. But so here’s my final question. I think it’s a good one for all women to think about. What is health to you? What do you describe as health for you, personally? And what are your What are like some current health goals that you are working on? Hitting hitting is kind of a masculine word that you’re working on creating in your life? Hmm.
Tracey Tee
I’ve been thinking about this because that a feeling you’d have something like this. So my answer, health to me and this is after 47 years, or I guess maybe 20 plus years of thinking about it. Health, to me is gentleness. That’s the word I’m sitting with right now. Oh, love. It is being gentle with my body, and being gentle with my health, which means holding it so special. And so importantly, and it’s taken me a long time to be gentle with my body and to be gentle with my health. And it’s been it’s taken me a lot of stepping away from things to find my way back on my own terms. And thank you medicine because it’s about listening to my body. So my number one goal last year was to fix my sleep. I have been a terrible labor and massive Insomniac since I can remember since my 20s like and I finally said this is it like there is no I’m not gonna do anything else. I’m truly I’m not going to worry about exercise. I’m just going to worry about my sleep and I prioritize it above all things. I gave myself so much grace in terms of what I had to take to sleep through the night. What what that looked like and I fixed it. I think I fixed it. And so now I’m gently holding that priority of sleep aid. I don’t know how I existed so long without it because now that I know what it feels like to get sleep. I don’t know what I was, I don’t know. I don’t I was like a shell of a human. And so my goals now are inside that sleep is to find my embodied movement again and be in my body and trust my body that she can exercise that she’s not going to get injured, that I’m not going to have another sister have to get another surgery. And it’s a very emotional way of looking at like, fitness. I think health wise, I’ve always prioritized really good food because I’ve had to with all my like hormonal problems, I’ve learned that lesson really easy or early. But now I just want to like I want to just love my body and I want to move it. And I want her to be strong because we got we had shit to do and work to do, and I want to do it, I want to do it for a long time I started when I turned 45, I started just doubling my lifespan. So instead of being like, Oh, I’m 45 I’m like, I get 45 more years, like, look what I did for the first 45 years. So I’m turning 48 In April, I’m gonna add 48 more years, and I can’t wait to see where that comes. So I gotta be, I got these knees and these legs got to work. So that’s my, my goal.
Dr. Mindy Pelz
I just love that, you know, one of my big messages to women right now is rest that that we are strong in our rest. And I came up with a phrase that helped me and this may help you as well is I’m courageously resting. And so when I slow things down in the brains, like what are you doing, you’re not doing enough, you gotta go do this and blah, blah, I just say Nope. I am courageously resting because I do believe as women. It takes courage in this moment in this time in 2024. For us to just stand up for our own health and say enough, we’re going to do it a woman’s way. And that’s going to involve a lot more rest. So yeah, just I love that Tracy, I can talk to you for hours. We are new. We are new besties whether you know
Tracey Tee
it or not 100 shows no doubt, no doubt in my mind.
Dr. Mindy Pelz
I love it. Where do people find you? We’ll put all your links but if they’re driving the moms
Tracey Tee
on mushrooms.com really just go there and I’m on. I’m really really unapproachable but if you want so really it’s just Instagram and that’s moms on mushrooms official and amazing. Love it combined.
Dr. Mindy Pelz
Well done, well done, and I can’t wait to collaborate more with you. So thank you for this beautiful discussion.
Tracey Tee
It’s an honor thank you so much.
Dr. Mindy Pelz
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