The TripSitting Podcast

In this vibrant, unscripted episode of The TripSitting Podcast, host Cam Leids and guest Tracey Tee—founder of Moms On Mushrooms—dive into Tracey’s transformational journey from running a live comedy show for mothers to embracing plant medicine as a pathway to healing. After the devastating loss of her longstanding business during the pandemic, Tracey discovered a new way of being through microdosing psilocybin. With humor, raw honesty, and playful banter (including fun asides about cacao rituals, microdosing schedules, and even a bit of dog talk), Tracey shares how she created a nurturing, supportive community for moms to explore healing together. The conversation touches on the importance of intention and integration, the pitfalls of rigid medical protocols, and the power of communal connection—reminding us that healing, like life itself, is an ever-evolving, deeply personal journey.

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[00:00:00] Tracey Tee: And even when I first had my daughter, if you had put a gun to my head and said, you're going to spend the rest of your life working with mothers, like you're going to be in the mammal sphere, I would have laughed in your face. Like there's no way.

[00:00:16] Cam Leids: What is up my beautiful people. Welcome to the Trip Sitting Podcast, where we explore what it means to be human. I am your host Cam Leids. On this week, we have Tracey Tee, who is the founder of Moms on Mushrooms. She has been on local news, she has been on national news, she's been on Dr. Phil, and now she has been on the Trip Sitting podcast.

Thank you, Tracey. Before we start, this episode is sponsored by Mushmore. Mushmore is a community. that empowers its members through the power of microdosing, uh, and education surrounding that microdosing. So they don't just have amazing products, they have a whole community that you can join through Telegram, um, and really just tap into that community and there's a lot of healing that's done of connecting with people there and hearing each other's stories.

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Welcome to the trip sitting podcast, Tracey T of moms on mushrooms. And I am your host, Cam Leids, which is something that I forget to say a lot. But here we are. Thank you so much for inviting me into your beautiful home to record this. We also have a special guest with us, as you can see. I 

[00:02:26] Tracey Tee: would really like to introduce Jojo T.

The actual founder of mom's We're really here for jojo today, of 

[00:02:34] Cam Leids: course. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's that's who we're supporting here Uh, how long has she been microdosing? 

[00:02:40] Tracey Tee: Not long enough clearly by how she's been acting this morning 

[00:02:44] Cam Leids: So I first I'm trying to think of when I first met you. I think it was really briefly at the maps conference And then we just kept bumping into each other literally all the time like around here So and we live 20 minutes apart.

Yeah, so yeah, i'm i'm glad that we were able to uh to make this happen in person This is my Third or fourth in person podcast. So it's, uh, you know, hopefully I get more of those, but this is exciting. Well, there's plenty of people in Colorado. That's for sure. That is true. So when did, when did you actually start moms with mushrooms?

I genuinely have no idea. 

[00:03:19] Tracey Tee: Um, it's a good question. There's like, there's actually like three loose start dates. Um, so I'll tell you which one I kind of officially count. So the idea came to me, um, So the idea came to me in the end of 2021, um, when I was in the process of winding down my old business. And it was a live comedy show for mothers called the pump it up show that my best friend and business partner and I had had.

for almost 10 years had built from the ground up. We toured the country. It was very successful. We had a fancy Hollywood agent, all the things. Um, and we had just kind of invested every last red penny that both of our families had into the business to create two additional casts, one out of LA and one out of Chicago.

We were days away from signing an off Broadway contract with two Tony award winning producers. And then the lockdowns happened and within two weeks, we canceled nearly a hundred shows for 2021 or 2020 and then continued to pivot, pivot, pivot. And, um, Ooh, which is what led me sort of into microdosing was a lot of it was that grief of losing.

a company I'd worked so hard to build. And then it was, um, also just the next leg of my own spiritual path that I'd been on for many years. 

[00:04:43] Cam Leids: Yeah. How long did you run that company for? 

[00:04:47] Tracey Tee: Almost 10 years. 

[00:04:47] Cam Leids: 10 years. Got it. So like that was a very good part of your adult life at that point. 

[00:04:53] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Yeah. And it was for moms.

So I had been in the momosphere since, you know, I started it about two years after I'd had my daughter. So when I was just in the throes of new parenthood, um, so I've been, you know, working and talking with moms and trying to get under the hood of the motherhood zeitgeist and consciousness for a long time.

Um, anyway, so fast forward. Pivot, pivot, pivot, 2020, 2021, can't do the same thing, how to podcast with Warner Brothers, not wasn't working. Finally, in the end of 2021, um, my partner and I kind of decided to like, this isn't working all the, you know, how many more red flags do we need? Um, I was deep in my medicine work and then, um, I can't remember if it was before or after she and I officially decided that we were just gonna stop, stop trying.

Um, I had MOM, moms on mushrooms in meditation one day just sort of like plopped into my head. Um, like this perfect download and I sat up and I was like, well, that's genius. Obviously somebody else's thought of it. And, um, And it was out there and it was obviously, you know, I can't even claim that it was my idea.

I really wasn't. Um, and then I was like, but who, there's no way I'm going to do that. Like, 

[00:06:17] Cam Leids: no. 

[00:06:17] Tracey Tee: And, um, Um, and then over that, actually that Christmas break, this sort of course in these ideas of how to work with moms, moving from the comedy space where we brought moms together through laughter into something much deeper, um, with the medicine at the center.

Um, I sort of wrote the initial ideas for mom and started and led a group of seven women all over the country for free. And I was kind of like, would you want to try this with me? Um, and, uh, is she, is she driving you crazy? We'll 

[00:06:51] Cam Leids: figure it 

[00:06:51] Tracey Tee: out. We'll figure it out. Joe, you're ruining the audio. Like it's not cool.

Um, so I, I, so in January, I low key started kind of a group 

[00:07:04] Cam Leids: course. January 2021. Or 2022. 2022. Okay. Got it. 

[00:07:10] Tracey Tee: That finished up in March. In March, on our last call, I was crying. They were crying. I was like, I'm going to miss you guys so much. You know, what am I going to do without you? You know, thank you for, you know, doing this with me.

And they all just looked at me across the room. Zoom. Cause it was all over. And, um, they were like, well, we're not going anywhere. What else do you have? So that was kind of my open door for phase one of official mom, which was, I guess I should start an Instagram account. So that started in March of 2022, then said best friend and former business partner, life life partner, really for me, life wife, uh, took my course as well.

[00:07:47] Cam Leids: And 

[00:07:47] Tracey Tee: then she finished it in like June. And was like, we got to go bigger. You need a platform. You need more resources for mothers. You need to broaden your horizons. You need to have, there needs to be a place where we can all talk. And that led us to create our platform, um, which is our private platform and our private community.

Um, and that launched in August of 2022. So that I would say is like the official. Yeah. 

[00:08:16] Cam Leids: Yeah. Okay. Got it. So. From, from the two stories that you've told me so far, it sounds like they've both definitely centered around being a mother. Yeah. And so, like, what was that experience when you became a mother? Like, how did that change you so much to the point where you've now dedicated your life to helping other moms?

[00:08:40] Tracey Tee: Yeah, that's a really good question because I think, um, when, when I became pregnant, and even when I first had my daughter, if you had put a gun to my head and said, You're going to spend the rest of your life working with mothers. Like you're going to be in the mammosphere. I would have laughed in your face.

Like there's no way. I just never really thought of myself as that kind of person. Um, and I, you know, I think, you know, I credit Shana. She really, the show was her idea. Um, and. And we just sort of stumbled into that as a way to just really keep our brains going and have a creative outlet ourselves. We both come from performing theater, comedy backgrounds, writing backgrounds.

And, you know, when you're, when your kids are that young and you have no personal space and no time to yourself, you kind of feel your brain oozing out your ears a little bit because you're not using your like adult creativity. And that's very important to Shana. And she's such a good example for me in that department.

And so the show kind of came from that. And I think we just stumbled onto something at the right place at the right time. It was in 2012 before social media was so intense. You know, I mean, we just put posters up the first night. We did it in a bar for free in Northwest Denver and like 75 people came.

It's pretty good. Yeah. And then the next month, like the people were calling in for reservations of like 10 and 15 people in the bar was like, we're a bar. We don't even take reservations. You know, where are we putting everyone? So we just really stumbled into something and then it grew from there and we just started, we just kept pouring our own life experiences into the material.

So that's it. And I, and I do think over time I realized that my own life experiences I have. A long history, my truly, since I was probably 16, have had intense medical, like reproductive issues. I had stage four endometriosis. I've had a million surgeries. I had a really horrible pregnancy at a really hard time getting pregnant.

I had an emergency C section. And so I think just all of those experiences gave me a lot of compassion for mothers, um, and a really unique way of just. Understanding how hard it is to even be a mom, become a mom. And 

[00:11:02] Cam Leids: like, yeah, like, like, like the journey to even become a mom for you was already riddled with so many obstacles that like, by the time you got there, you're like, already had done all this work and now the work of actually being a mom begins.

[00:11:16] Tracey Tee: Yeah. And I, and I was really caught in this modality, this, this programming of being super mom. I've always been an entrepreneur. I was a third, I'm a third generation entrepreneur. Um, first kind of woman in my family to own her own business says, um, and at the time when I was pregnant, I had a really successful e commerce company.

I've had like a million lives and, um, I just thought doing, doing, doing, going, going, going, being, being, being all the things was what I was supposed to be doing. Um, so I really, I think I really injured myself early on in pregnancy and when I had my daughter because I never stopped. I don't, I never took time off.

I just kept working. And, um, And so it really was like leaning into the show and then getting so exhausted from the show is when I finally just and then then turning 40. And then I finally just sort of woke up and I was like, What are you doing to yourself? Um, so it's been a long road to even realize, I think, for me personally, how to be a good mom.

Most of which was just actually being good to myself, which I never allowed myself to do. 

[00:12:22] Cam Leids: Yeah. So like, did your spiritual path start during that, or was that already something that you had been developing for a while? 

[00:12:30] Tracey Tee: No, I was very, I think, you know, same thing if you had asked me. Back then if I was going to be sitting here with you in my living room with my Chihuahua Irritating Chihuahua talking about mushrooms and spirituality.

I would have been like, yeah, right You know, I used to make fun of people who bought self help books. I never did a single Psychedelic in my life. Yeah Yeah. Um, no, like don't, don't color outside the lines. And, um, it really was when I turned 40, like almost to the minute and I turned 40 on the road. I did a show.

I was in Columbus, Ohio, and I celebrated by doing a shot of wild Turkey. I went to college there. Oh, nice. Well, you probably been to the, I think it was the funny bone. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I did my, my, on my 40th birthday, I was on stage doing a show and then I went like in the back with the, like the GM and the staff and like did a shot of wild turkey.

And that was like my 40th birthday celebration. Um, and then, you know, I had others and we had met up with some friends in Cleveland, um, on that same tour, cause I did a show in Cleveland like the next night. And we, we had all, we all went out to dinner to celebrate my friend and my other, my girlfriend's 40th birthdays.

And I remember looking around and sitting around and looking at this fancy restaurant and all the food and like booze I had consumed and what I was wearing and what my whole mindset. And I just remembered thinking. I'm missing something like there's something more and I couldn't put my finger on it. I couldn't even find the words.

I just was like, this isn't me. This isn't who I am. And it took, you know, really, that's kind of the start. And then slowly and slowly I started. Allowing myself to explore what that, what, what that yearning looks like. And I would say a few years after that, I, you know, I started learning about shadow work and inner child, and I bought my first deck of Oracle cards.

And, you know, I did the, the, still hadn't 

[00:14:39] Cam Leids: done any psychedelics at that point. No, 

[00:14:41] Tracey Tee: no, I was studying them cause they made a lot of sense. I remember reading about ayahuasca and being like, yeah. Yeah, I get that. Like, it totally, like, deeply resonated, but at the time, I was like, there's no way. There's no way that I could do it.

It's against my moral code. I think you're, you know, maybe I'm gonna be a bad person if I did it. And then also, So, even if I did, how on earth am I going to leave my kid and go to the Amazon rainforest and like, for like 

[00:15:09] Cam Leids: three months? And like explain that to somebody? 

[00:15:11] Tracey Tee: Yeah, and especially when you have an only child too, I just think it's kind of a bad idea for one parent to just sort of like disappear.

I don't know. Um. So I always just put it out of my mind and then I've just, I've always loved mushrooms, all different kinds, um, forever. And anyone in my family would tell you that I, um, have, I've been, you know, obsessed with foraging. And I remember I went in like 2018 and went and saw Paul Stamets speak when he came to Denver.

Just, I like Like scalped a ticket. I was so desperate to listen to him talk. That's awesome. And even then, I lapped up every word he said. And even then, I was like, that sounds great, but not for me. Um, so it was a long road. And I, I do think the medicine was like absolutely laying its path for me. Just little by little, chipping away at my old programming until one day I just said yes.

[00:16:04] Cam Leids: So for those that don't know, because we obviously keep talking about it, what is Moms on Mushrooms? 

[00:16:10] Tracey Tee: So Moms on Mushrooms is really just a community and a online platform for mothers to not only learn about the sacred medicine, um, but to gather around with the medicine at the center. So I really, when I started working with it, I, it became abundantly clear to me that this had arrived in this moment in history to help moms and that moms have a unique experience navigating.

the world because if you want to heal your own things, um, you have to do it in spurts. You know, you've got to, you've got to literally schedule in your healing. And I, and then I knew I had this cache of. conversations and stories from women who had come to my show over the years. And I mean, my, my partner and I used to, we'd go back to the hotel after performing cause we would, you know, stand and take photos and talk to people after the shows.

And we'd cry ourselves to sleep at some of the stories of these women. Just the loneliness, the heartbreak, the, the lack of support, the isolation. I mean, truly heartbreaking and shocking in this day and age. You think that people have more support, they feel that they're more connected and it couldn't be further from the truth.

Um, so I just felt like there just needed to be a watering hole for mothers and that's what moms on mushrooms is. So we, we offer really nourishing, nurturing three and a half month courses for moms to Create an intentional relationship around psilocybin, um, mainly micro dosing. And I do that so that.

Again, you create a relationship around it before you go and maybe do a large dose journey, which I absolutely recommend. But I do think the, the modern American woman, the modern American mother, we don't have any context of what this medicine means. So take your time. So we have those courses and we have some, you know, one on one like read in the middle of the night courses just to answer questions through the lens of a mother.

And then we have a private community that's kind of like. Facebook for moms on shrooms that any mom can join, whether you're an experienced psychonaut or you're just curious, but still may be horrified or terrified. You can kind of circle the pond and there's just a beautiful space of nearly a thousand women at this point just talking about medicine and how it's working in their lives.

[00:18:33] Cam Leids: Yeah. So was it scary for you? I mean, immediately attaching your name and face and saying, I'm a mom who does mushrooms like, were you not thinking beforehand like, oh shit, this could get, this could go really bad? 

[00:18:49] Tracey Tee: Um, I've never, okay, I'm not saying never, I've rarely thought that this could go really bad. I can't, I'm gonna, I'm gonna best case scenario that decision, um, in that I'm, I feel like, Um, I've had enough conversations with God and with the medicine to know that I'm protected.

Um, and I feel convicted enough in, in what I'm asked to do and the service that I'm asked to provide that it'll sort itself out. Um, I also went through a period after that download. Of saying 

[00:19:28] Cam Leids: no, no, no, no, no. Thank 

[00:19:30] Tracey Tee: you. 

[00:19:31] Cam Leids: Not for me. 

[00:19:32] Tracey Tee: No, I was telling, I was speaking with someone the other day and I was remembering like, I have a little corner of our guest bedroom downstairs where I go and meditate.

And I remember being like on the floor, like face down on the floor, just being like anyone but me. I can't, no, I can't do this. Like how, why would I, how could I? Um, but when I kind of decided, it was a pretty easy decision. It wasn't, and you know, I spoke about it with my husband and there was a little kind of like crunchiness, like, you know, what do we, you know, what are the parents going to think of my daughter's school and, and I just, it just didn't really ever, I guess I had seen so much, um, effectiveness and healing in the small groups that I had been leading in the, in the.

But the courses that I was taking and the stuff I was learning, it seemed so abundantly clear that it was such a good thing that it just didn't occur to me that anyone would think that it was bad. 

[00:20:27] Cam Leids: Yeah. 

[00:20:28] Tracey Tee: So maybe it's just. You know, ignorance really. 

[00:20:31] Cam Leids: Yeah. Have you, I mean like, have you gotten any like, you know, hate or anything like that since you've started on like, you know, mean comments, shit like that?

[00:20:39] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Um, honestly, no. 

[00:20:42] Cam Leids: That's awesome. I 

[00:20:43] Tracey Tee: mean, even, um, in 2023, I went on Dr. Phil and that was like the most psychedelic thing I'll ever do, have ever done. Why is 

[00:20:54] Cam Leids: that? 

[00:20:55] Tracey Tee: Well, it was, it was absolutely like a, a really bad trip. I don't know how else to describe it. It was just the whole thing, like, I've 

[00:21:05] Cam Leids: seen, I've seen the clips.

I actually haven't watched the whole thing, but I've seen a lot of clips. You should. I know I need to. The 

[00:21:11] Tracey Tee: whole thing is pretty epic. Um. And I will give them credit. They, they definitely set me up to be the mom, the evil mother who does drugs, the mom on drugs. Um, but they, they, I feel like they did a good job in edit.

Like, given what they were planning on doing. I'm like, not that sad about how it came out. I'm just sad about that. I got set up and sure. I probably should have seen that coming, but that's not how it was presented to me. But um, Dr. Phil has always been a great guy. I don't know what you're talking about.

Yeah. So But even I mean, that would be that was probably like the most. I mean, that was the quintessential wake up on a Saturday. And I remember telling my husband, I go, it's kind of been quiet. Like I'm not getting a lot of emails. Maybe no one saw it. And then I checked the spam and it was like hundreds and hundreds.

And hundreds of emails. Ha like four weeks. 

[00:22:10] Cam Leids: Mm-hmm . 

[00:22:11] Tracey Tee: And then they turned around and they re-air it three months later. 

[00:22:14] Cam Leids: Okay. 

[00:22:15] Tracey Tee: And it was the same. And even with all of that, I think I can think of three emails where it's, we're kind of like, you shouldn't be doing that. 

[00:22:25] Cam Leids: Yeah. 

[00:22:25] Tracey Tee: Or, um, and I remember one guy DM to me on Instagram who didn't have a shirt on in his IG profile that said, uh, you shouldn't be talking to Dr.

Phil like that. And you should wipe that smile off your face. And I was like, okay, thanks. Um, but that's, I mean, so really I do, I mean, truly that's it. That's it. I, we just don't, we just don't. I'm so grateful. 

[00:22:48] Cam Leids: That's really amazing. And like, I, I hate that I'm surprised by that. I really do. But like, I expect so little from people on the age of social media.

Yeah. Like I truly do. 

[00:23:00] Tracey Tee: Yeah. And having kind of You know had two businesses, you know that require it. I get it. I don't know how to explain it except that I'm really lucky. Yeah, I I think I just I don't know. I don't know how to explain it 

[00:23:18] Cam Leids: So if you you said the first thing that you read about was actually ayahuasca, have you experienced ayahuasca yet?

Yeah, okay. Got it. So that's still in the mind. 

[00:23:28] Tracey Tee: Oh gosh. Yes, and now I think now with My teachers and my mentors and and as I continue to learn and I always say that I'm sort of like raised in the medicine Woman way, so that's really my purview is coming from the the medicine woman way. Those are my mentors Um, I know that I'm just like calling in my teacher and I just know when I know I'll go Yeah, and so I'm just waiting 

[00:23:55] Cam Leids: that was Experiencing ayahuasca was like my big awakening and like the reason why I was like, I am going to start this and I'm going to truly immerse myself into the world of psychedelics because I, I love them so much recreationally and that.

Helped build my relationship with them to then having more intention and truly like using them to heal and you know Be a better person which then led me to Ayahuasca, which was a very very intentional intense healing experience, which then led to all this Yeah, and it's it's it's really really amazing.

But yeah, I'd never heard of ayahuasca until It was at the beginning of, of 2020 and that was when I'd been using LSD and mushrooms for a couple of years at that point. 

[00:24:44] Tracey Tee: Yeah. 

[00:24:45] Cam Leids: But, and then, yeah, I first heard of ayahuasca on a podcast and was like, Oh shit. Like, I think, I think that's next. I think I need to do that at some point.

Yeah. And then it took two and a half years. 

[00:24:56] Tracey Tee: Yeah, exactly. And I, you know, part of me thinks I really, I really, really love mushrooms. I. There's a, I did a journey once with my mentor and. I was lying on the floor in a puddle, weeping as you do, and I just, I looked up at her and I go, I think I'm just put on this earth to take mushrooms to eat mushrooms, and I, I stand by that, like all of it, whether it's portobello or, you know, 

[00:25:27] Cam Leids: amanita 

[00:25:28] Tracey Tee: muscara, like I, 

[00:25:29] Cam Leids: I remember some trip that I was in one time where I was, I was, I was either mushrooms or, or LSD actually.

But like, I remember like, it was just, I was just, you know, I was having a great time, but like, I was just crying, like tears just running down my face and my friends are like, are you okay? And I, like, I look at them with like weepy eyes. I'm like, I'm having the. best time right now. Like I promise, like, like it, it looks like I'm not, but I am.

I swear to God. I totally get that. 

[00:25:56] Tracey Tee: Yeah. So I, I think I, they are absolutely like, will always be my number one master plan teacher. And, um, I know myself, um, uh, triple Aries, Enneagram eight manifesting generator. 

[00:26:10] Cam Leids: Yeah, that's crazy. 

[00:26:12] Tracey Tee: So I know how I am with things and I know how much I love to learn and like, Do deep dives and I think the messages I'm getting is like You're just getting started with the shrooms.

Just you've got the rest of your life to do drugs So I'm just slowing my roll and I'm just focusing on mushrooms right now But you 

[00:26:30] Cam Leids: are taking a course on how to serve cacao. 

[00:26:33] Tracey Tee: That is my second master plant teacher Which just sort of showed up and again just another thing that just resonated like the minute I saw Some, I don't even remember where I learned about it online, certainly probably on Instagram.

And I just like, I remember seeing a brick of cacao and being like, you, it just, it called to me. 

[00:26:55] Cam Leids: Yeah. 

[00:26:56] Tracey Tee: Yeah. So I've been working with it. I 

[00:26:58] Cam Leids: honestly have no idea what like the benefits of cacao are, like why people do it, like how has it been used in ceremonies? So like. Can you teach me some of that? 

[00:27:09] Tracey Tee: Yeah, I mean, I'll teach you just a little bit.

So cacao first and foremost is known as a heart opener. So it naturally complements most medicines, but really complements psilocybin and And it is chocolate and it's purist, you know, we're not purist because it's still processed into becoming cacao, but it's, it's chocolate. Um, so it actually, I know some people think it has caffeine and it does have a small amount of caffeine, but it's actually theobromide that is the activator.

Um, so it's a different kind of, um. Activation than you would get from caffeine or from chocolate with sugar because then you're relying on the sugar, um, from a, from like a medicinal standpoint, cacao is really high in some great minerals. Magnesium, potassium, um, antioxidants. And, um, when you get good cacao, In the brick or in the chocolate form, not in a powder, you're also getting the cacao butter.

So you're getting all these healthy fats. So it's, it's kind of like a meal in a cup and would you probably, I made you some, so you're probably tasting it. I made it kind of thick for us. So and it, um, Ceremonial, ceremonially has been used in the Mazatec, the Aztecs, um, a lot of different South American cultures.

Um, it has been used even medicinally to help with pain, to help women with birth. Um, and then in, in ceremonies as well. And it really, if you. It is its own magical plant teacher with or without anything psychoactive added to it. And I find it to be really grounding, really nourishing. And, um, I actually really like to drink.

most of my plant medicine, whether it's herbs. Um, 

[00:29:17] Cam Leids: do you do mushroom tea a lot? 

[00:29:18] Tracey Tee: No, I do mushroom cacao. 

[00:29:20] Cam Leids: Okay. Got it. Okay, cool. 

[00:29:21] Tracey Tee: Yeah. So I really like to drink my micro dose. Um, I, and I've experimented like the effect it has if I just take a capsule and swallow it down versus if I make a delicious nourishing drink, preferably cacao.

Open up the capsule, put it in, stir it, and then take my time sipping it. It's like it comes into my body slower and it's already its own little bit of ceremony. 

[00:29:44] Cam Leids: And 

[00:29:44] Tracey Tee: I, it just, I don't know, I just absorb it better. So, um, It's a beautiful way on your off days to microdose or just in general, it's just a beautiful way to have a really heart open meditation.

And the more I work with it, the more I'm just like buzzing on cacao. 

[00:30:02] Cam Leids: Yeah. Yeah. Um, I'm curious as far as like microdosing goes, because I'm, I I'm, you know, I would consider myself like still fairly new to this part of using psilocybin and like that relationship with it. How, You know, have you figured out at this point, like, what's the best, like, schedule on and off, like, when to stop, when to go back on, and, like, all of that for you?

Like, how's that experimentation process been? 

[00:30:27] Tracey Tee: So, that's it. Thank you for asking that. Um, that was more of a Personal, uh, my own personal journey and one thing that I've realized, and I thank Kakao for this too, is, um, I came to realize that I don't need a protocol, um, that so much of what I think microdosing in particular asks of us is to unlearn what it means to take medicine.

To unlearn the allopathic model that has been shoved down our throats since birth, literally. Um, and say, I trust what my body tells me and everyone talks about a protocol and, you know, I love, God bless James Fadiman and God bless Paul Stamets, but I just don't need another guy telling me. how to take shrooms.

[00:31:21] Cam Leids: Yeah. 

[00:31:21] Tracey Tee: I really don't. And when I released myself from having to follow a protocol or even create my own and just trust my intuition, which is the number one thing that, that this medicine does, it, you know, it literally decouples. It shows us what we 

[00:31:41] Cam Leids: actually truly want underneath all of the programming and shit that we've been fed our entire lives.

See our intuition like I after my I was good experience. I think that was the first time in my life that I was vividly like, Oh, that's my intuition. Like, Oh shit. And 

[00:31:59] Tracey Tee: there's, there it is. There he is. Yeah. And also it connects, you know, we, we know now we kind of have two hearts, right? Like your gut is your actual first heart.

And then your gut talks to this heart and then things go to your brain. So when you connect your gut and your heart, your two hearts, and then those are connected and aligned. And then the messages that are sent up to your brain, your brain actually receives them from a heart space, not your brain creating it first and sending it down, then it's really hard to ignore what your body and what your intuition is telling you, because it's coming from a completely different cleaned up space.

Yeah. And from there, if you listen, you will know when to take medicine and when not to, but that comes with. Also unlearning, um, that, that you're a passive observer in this scenario, it's really creating that intentional practice. And, and I always say like, no, you're why, why, why, why did I make you cacao today?

I was like, so excited for you to come over. And I wanted to have a conversation around this beautiful medicine. That's my why I shouldn't drink cacao every day. If I'm just drinking it to drink it, you shouldn't do anything that way. And certainly not microdosing. So if you know your why, if you're clear and you're intentional, and even if it's not like, okay, sit for three and a half hours and beat a drum and do yoga, you don't have to do that, but at least you have to know why you're taking it that day.

But not because you think you should, or because someone else told you to do, because your body and your hearts are saying yes. So that's my, that's my answer. 

[00:33:38] Cam Leids: That's, that's an amazing answer, truly. And something that through my time of microdosing, whenever I do, like, that's the exact thing that I've come to as well.

Like, that's what works best for me is when I wake up and I'm like, I can clearly feel that, you know, this is, it feels like today's a good day for me to take it. I, again, like it's just coming from like source or something like that. It's like, this is it. I know that this is, this is a day that I need it.

This is going to help me through my day. 

[00:34:11] Tracey Tee: Yeah. And I've like cross checked myself. I've taken it on days when I don't need to, just to be like flippant. And Sarah Hope, who's like one of my. Who I met. Yeah. Yes. Yes. We just danced together. Um, She's an amazing mentor of mine, and she was just like, the medicine will always kick your ass.

Like, you know, the medicine will always tell you and if you're open to listening, um, if you're not doing right by it. And, and I believe that, like, I've tried it. And I either you either feel nothing, you know, and it's just like kind of a waste, which is a bummer. Or I like, get ready for the ride today that you weren't asking for, because you were there.

arrogant and flippant about this medicine. 

[00:34:55] Cam Leids: And 

[00:34:55] Tracey Tee: it happens every time. 

[00:34:57] Cam Leids: Yeah. I mean, it's also, especially recreationally, like if you're not fully like, know why you're doing it, like I have no problem with recreational use of psilocybin and other psychedelics, but like. It's the, you know, taking it recreationally because there's nothing else to do.

Like, that's when it's going to kick your ass. 

[00:35:16] Tracey Tee: Yeah, I get some, I do get some pushback when I say there's no pro, I have no problem with people doing it recreationally. And I should say, I don't do, I don't. You sell Simon recreationally? Yeah. Hardly at all. Um, that makes one of us . I, I think just, again, I'm a mom.

It's not like I party a lot. Yeah. And I'm real busy right now, so like mm-hmm . I'm sleeping. Yeah. If I, if I could be on streams, I'd rather sleep, you know? Mm-hmm . Um, but you still have to know your why. Yes, 100%. You still have to know your why. You still have to know the why and, and know, actually knowing your why of why you want to have a good time, why you wanna party, why you wanna celebrate.

It makes that celebration so much better. So much 

[00:35:57] Cam Leids: better. Yeah. And like 

[00:35:58] Tracey Tee: just being like, I need to get fucked up because I hate my life. Yeah, exactly. 

[00:36:01] Cam Leids: And like even the same thing with, with alcohol too. It's like, I mean, I was certainly in this vicious cycle of drinking because that's what we do when there's nothing else to do.

Totally. Whereas like now I don't drink as much, but like I still do drink and when I drink though, I make sure that I have the intention behind it. I'm purposely do it like I'm choosing to do this right now because I want to feel the effects and be more open and like socialize with my friends like that's perfect.

[00:36:31] Tracey Tee: It is so true. I've had the same journey and and then like finding gratitude and what you're drinking, you know, I can say I've probably You know, never say never put me on a beach. I'll order a whatever Weird drink that you're serving because it's fun and silly strawberry daiquiri pina colada bahama mama chunky monkey whatever But I was gonna say that i've probably phased out like hard alcohol pretty much I mean, I love bourbon though, but you know, they call it spirits for a reason and I believe that But like to know I'm going to drink wine tonight and know why, and then define gratitude and the flavor and the, the cultivation that it took and how it enhances my food and how it makes me feel and how much little, how much less I need now, because every sip is like a treat, it just makes it better actually, instead of just like, I need to get through that bottle as fast as humanly possible so I can make it to bedtime.

Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:37:37] Cam Leids: It's, it's, it's definitely just about the relationship that we have with, with, with different substances. And that's also different for everybody. And it's, you know, what I, what I do appreciate about the protocols is like. A lot of people truly have no idea where to start. Like they don't know what it feels like to listen to their intuition.

So like it's a good jumping off point. Yes. But it's not the, you know, end all say all of, of, of how you should use any substance. Like it's all personal to each of us. 

[00:38:09] Tracey Tee: Although I will say You never want to do it seven days a week. 

[00:38:13] Cam Leids: Okay. 

[00:38:13] Tracey Tee: I would say two days off minimum per week. 

[00:38:16] Cam Leids: Why is 

[00:38:17] Tracey Tee: that? Because I really do think integration days are important.

[00:38:20] Cam Leids: Yeah. 

[00:38:20] Tracey Tee: I think integration and, and you can feel it on a microdose. You can feel, and if we're going to, if we're going to tout that microdosing helps us rewire our neural pathways and change the habits, the only way you can rewire anything or change anything is to put it into action unaided. So you have a, say you microdose for three days, you work through some things, you're noticing, you're observing yourself from a different vantage point.

You're seeing, you're experiencing what it feels like to be less reactive or to be softer, to be more open hearted. Great. But if you can't also pull that in without the aid of the medicine, then you're not actually changing anything. Yeah, 

[00:39:05] Cam Leids: it's not actually getting hard coded back in the way that you want it to.

It's just staying in that weird open space. 

[00:39:11] Tracey Tee: Yeah, which is the difference between an SSRI, for example, um, and a microdose, because you're actually being asked again to not be a passive observer. Yeah. And so And then it's also asking you to pay attention to your life. Pay attention to the lessons you just learned those last three days.

[00:39:30] Cam Leids: Have you ever been on an SSRI like at any point? Okay. 

[00:39:33] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Yeah. I was on Wellbutrin. I had to have a full hysterectomy. Um, when I was 41, um, to help alleviate some severe medical issues that I had, which put me into what's called surgical menopause, which means, um, you know, menopause is usually a gradual over the years, slowing down of hormones and different change in your body.

I walked in with hormones and out to the hospital and I left the hospital without any, I left the hospital with hot flashes within 24 hours. Damn. And so my functional medicine doctor, you okay? Um, my functional medicine doctor, Wisely suggested that I go on Welbutrin prior to the surgery to bridge that insane transition.

And I'm so grateful. So, so grateful. Um, but it really was that question mark of like, well, okay, thank God I was, I'm on this, but now I don't even know what did I miss, you know? I'm glad I didn't have, I didn't have temper tantrum, you know, I didn't freak out really. Um, so I think it, it obviously helped, but then I was like, well, now what do I, do I just stop?

And what's on the other side? And do I want to find out? Like, um, and so microdosing actually made a lot of sense to me as an option. Um, so yeah, so I have experience with both. 

[00:40:58] Cam Leids: Okay. Gotcha. What, what did you like immediately when you were going off of Wellbutrin, like start like, okay, I'm going to microdose as I'm doing this.

Or like, did you have that gap of getting off of Wellbutrin and like trying to Figure that out, 

[00:41:10] Tracey Tee: you know, I 

[00:41:11] Cam Leids: know people that have had a lot of trouble getting off of specifically. Well, be true. Oh, 

[00:41:15] Tracey Tee: really? Yeah, I I've heard the opposite. I mean, it's why it's known to be one of the least I well triple areas.

I just quit cold turkey. I just stop taking Like yeah, I'm done with this If I find out I find out so I I was fortunate that I didn't have a lot of side effects. Um, I will also credit that to like, I was pretty deep into spiritual practice at that point. So I was meditating, you know, like I had a lot of things helping me out.

You 

[00:41:44] Cam Leids: were doing the things. Yeah. 

[00:41:45] Tracey Tee: And, um, so I didn't notice that. And I know that that is one of the benefits of Wellbutrin in particular. Um, I have, you know, a girlfriend who went off Zoloft and she called me and she was like, why didn't my doctor tell me that I was going to feel the under my feet. Trying to get off this poison.

Yeah, like she was Miserable and that's pretty much what we deal with on a daily basis in mom. I would say 85 to 90 percent of the women who come to mom are on one if not several SSRIs and have no exit strategy What 

[00:42:18] Cam Leids: is is the main reason that like a lot of moms? Do you think or even on SSRIs to begin with just because that's how like the medical system treats?

Treats moms is oh, you know, you're anxious because you have a child and you're trying to be super mom and do all this Here's just a drug to Stop feeling these things. 

[00:42:39] Tracey Tee: Yeah, I I think that's a lot of it. I think the idea of the hysterical woman Hasn't left our consciousness, um, and we don't know what to do with a woman who is in distress and we don't like it is a culture.

We want her to be quiet. I mean, it sounds extreme, but I do believe that like the root of the impetus behind medicating so many mothers. She just needs to be quiet and I can back that up with hundreds and hundreds of stories from women that I've talked to that have basically been told they need to be quiet.

Um, and I think that we don't understand hormones or nutrition in the West. 

[00:43:23] Cam Leids: Definitely, definitely not nutrition. 

[00:43:24] Tracey Tee: And we definitely not women's nutrition for women or men. Like we don't, we don't understand it. You're right. Um, and so I think, Not understanding hormones and not having, um, compassion for the intelligence of the reproductive, of the female reproductive system and how it works itself out and how it creates life, birth life, heals itself.

[00:43:47] Cam Leids: Women, women too, like, I mean, the way that my understanding of the medical system is like, it's, it's all essentially based on the man's body. And like a lot of that has to also do with like. the man's circadian rhythm, which is a 24 hour cycle. Whereas women don't have a 24 hour cycle. You guys have a 30 day cycle or 28 day cycle, whatever it is.

It's, it's much longer. And so the fact that you're then treated in the same way of like, Oh, every 24 hours, your body goes through a natural reset. That's just actually not the case. No, 

[00:44:17] Tracey Tee: no, it's not. And we require different amounts of water and salt and potassium and magnesium and all the different things.

So. I think just ignoring those two things and then you, you look at what actually happens to a woman's body after you give birth to a child. Um, just physio, physiologically period is so intense and you're just asked to leave the hospital. Like sometimes. 24 hours after you give birth. Um, and if, you know, and if even in, even if you feel like you're empowered and you have a home birth, there's just not a lot of deep knowledge.

I mean, it's getting so much better and it was, it's way better now than it was 13 years ago. And I had my daughter and I wanted a doula and a home birth. And I ended up having an emergency C section and they, I almost had a stroke and they put me on beta blockers. I was in the hospital for days and days.

No one would talk to me. I was. I was out of my mind. I was crying hysterically. I couldn't breastfeed. I got a hole in my stomach. My daughter was three weeks early. I had, I'm sure I had postpartum terror, let alone, you know, depression. And then I was like, finally, I remember stopping a doctor. They would just come in and just give me more pills.

And I was like, are you afraid I'm going to have a stroke? Is that why I'm here? And they were like, yeah, we're concerned that you're going to have a stroke. And, and then just sent me home and just sent me home. And then I had to go to the doctor like every two days to get checked my blood pressure. And I have a newborn I have to take care of.

[00:45:53] Cam Leids: Yeah. 

[00:45:54] Tracey Tee: Who's three weeks early. And so, you know, and again, I had tools. I have a really supportive, amazing husband who was able to take weeks off from work and stay home with me until I felt like I could even let him out of my sight because I was so terrified. But you'd go one inch off that scenario and I'm taking Zoloft while my hormones are surging.

Every which 

[00:46:22] Cam Leids: way. Losing 

[00:46:23] Tracey Tee: out my pores, while my body is healing from trauma, while I'm sleep deprived, while I'm, while I'm, my metabolism is on. an 11 trying to produce milk to feed a human. Yeah, 

[00:46:37] Cam Leids: it's also, and then also try to regulate the emotions of a brand new child into this world. Trying 

[00:46:43] Tracey Tee: to, my brain and my heart is trying to comprehend what just happened and how I can feel love that makes me want to die.

It made me want to die. Like looking at her, I was like, I don't deserve this. Yeah. Let alone like. How am I capable of taking care of her? And then you just give someone Valium? 

[00:47:04] Cam Leids: Yeah. 

[00:47:05] Tracey Tee: Like that's your answer? Yeah, 

[00:47:06] Cam Leids: all right. Let's, let's now numb all of these emotions and get them out of the way completely.

[00:47:11] Tracey Tee: Obviously. you need to shut up. You know, I mean, and so it just, I think it just comes from that. It's laziness. It's bad science. It's, um, patriarchy probably. Uh, and it's, it's generations of women who haven't been taught their own health. 

[00:47:30] Cam Leids: So what's, what's your opinion? And this might be kind of a loaded question and a really broad one.

So go whichever way you want, but like of the medicalization of psilocybin. 

[00:47:41] Tracey Tee: Oh, yeah, that's a tough one. I really struggle with it. I pray about it a lot. I think my, I mean, my gut again being raised by medicine women is, well, first of all, it's not that hard to grow. It is accessible for a reason. 

[00:48:00] Cam Leids: Stupidly easy to get.

It's 

[00:48:02] Tracey Tee: stupid easy. So just grow it. Yeah. Don't even worry about insurance or anything. Just grow it. Yeah. And there's so much beauty in growing it because you're connected to it. You are, you care about it. You are watching it grow. You are intimately, you know, you learn about it. I mean, there's so much there, right?

[00:48:25] Cam Leids: But also like, here's, here's where I then go back and forth, is like, just the, the way that so many people are brought up in this society is like, they don't have time for any of that shit. Like, they've been told that they need to go, go, go, do, do, do their entire lives. That like, the idea of stopping to take the time to learn and grow about this thing because they have all these issues is like totally so out of this world that like, where do I even start?

[00:48:50] Tracey Tee: Right? So, okay, let's say it's medicalized, all right? Mm-hmm . Um, you know. One concern I have is that the spirit is taken out of the pill of the medicine, right? The spirit because it's put into a fucking pill because it's put into a pill. You can probably, you could take pure psilocin that you grew and put it into a pill form.

And I think the energy could be there. 

[00:49:14] Cam Leids: Yeah. 

[00:49:15] Tracey Tee: What happens is the commodification and, um, And we, the slipping back or the walking into our commercialized medical model, which says we don't actually want people to heal with this. So we're gonna fuck it up. We're going to make it addictive. We're going to add something else in there that no one's going to know about that's going to make them crave it so that they're dependent on it so that we can keep selling it.

Or. We're going to make it less effective somehow because we can split, I don't know, the atoms or the DNA. I'm not a scientist, you know, or the chemicals and we're going to take the soul out of it so that it's essentially placebo with like a scooch for those of us who are like really, you know, lightweight and can, you know, absorb things quickly, um, or we're going to add a bunch of other stuff in that's actually going to cause side effects that you're going to feel more.

comfortable with because you're told that all these pills that can heal you can also kill you and you've accepted that, you've accepted that contract in our medical system. And from there, we're screwed. 

[00:50:28] Cam Leids: But I 

[00:50:29] Tracey Tee: do believe that I don't, I don't think the medicine's going to let that happen. It's, that sounds so woo, but I think that because it's easy to grow, um, Um, and even if you don't grow it, your friend can grow it.

And because it is a consciousness medicine, at some point, I do believe, like, even if you take it. out of desperation to get effed up to like with no intentions everything we just talked about against you know not doing any of that i still think it can like it can open up your heart yeah 

[00:51:05] Cam Leids: it still has the ability to put you onto the or at least show you a glimpse of the right path just 

[00:51:11] Tracey Tee: a glimpse and once you see it you can't unsee it 

[00:51:14] Cam Leids: yeah it's hard to go back 

[00:51:15] Tracey Tee: it's hard to go back and that's the prayer right so Can I stop it from, can I stop, you know, the gross medical overlords from ruining this?

No? Do I believe that we can rise above it? A hundred percent. 

[00:51:34] Cam Leids: Yeah. I think that's one of the most important pieces of, you know, everything that's happening right now is the education piece. Like it's not, it's not the mushrooms themselves. It's not any of these specific psychedelics themselves. It's literally just the education surrounding it of here's how they are used.

Here's how it is properly used. So people hopefully. don't want to even enter into that model to begin with. 

[00:52:01] Tracey Tee: Yeah. And that's, you know, it's a lot of what mom does. You know, we always say like empower yourself with knowledge. And it's so funny. I was just listening to what Terrence McKenna talk like at 5 AM this morning.

And he was talking, I mean, this must've been in the nineties. He was talking about how the internet is this great equalizer and this great connector. And I was like, Oh, that's so quaint. You would have no idea what was coming. Like, that's so cute and like, 

[00:52:26] Cam Leids: like 

[00:52:27] Tracey Tee: optimistic of you. But I was like, Oh, he's right.

You know, like you can learn. That was the whole point. Like, remember when we were all excited because everyone was learning and had access to information like that? Arrowhead. Yeah, that still can happen. And I, I, I, I hope that we're turning a corner again from this passive, this passiveness of just like, feed it to me, I don't want to work on it.

How do you 

[00:52:54] Cam Leids: teach your daughter about like social media? Like do you, do you talk about it with her? About social media? Yeah, 

[00:53:00] Tracey Tee: that's an interesting question because speaking of passivity, cause like she, I was explaining to her how I used to have to go to the library on weekends to do research for like papers in junior high.

And she's just like, what? You know, she just doesn't go to the library. Yeah. Goes to Google. Um, so we, you know, we're a reading family, so we encourage her to read a lot. Um, we ask a each, you know, we ask a lot of questions, a lot of why, and she's not on social media. 

[00:53:27] Cam Leids: Yeah. 

[00:53:27] Tracey Tee: Mm-hmm . She has a Spotify account where she can make playlists.

Like that's as social as she gets. Mm-hmm . And I don't see. a time. I don't, you know, she's 13. So. 

[00:53:38] Cam Leids: Right. I, I, I just remember like that was the age, at least for me, where granted that it was still all really new back then. Like, you know, everyone was getting their Facebook accounts was like right around that age.

Obviously I don't fucking use Facebook anymore, but I use Instagram, which is the exact same thing. 

[00:53:52] Tracey Tee: So like, you know, I'm like, it's, it feels 

[00:53:55] Cam Leids: kind of different, but it's not, 

[00:53:56] Tracey Tee: it's not, I'm with you. I mean, I haven't been 

[00:53:59] Cam Leids: It's tough too, because obviously I'm, I'm growing this business. Through it's like mainly through Instagram.

That's how people find me. 

[00:54:08] Tracey Tee: Well, that's the thing, right? So let's go back to Terrence's like it is an equalizer. Yeah, you know, you can have information the trick is We have to dial it back We have to step away from it and we have to say I want to engage Like not from a place of hate or fear or judgment, but I want to learn and I want to use discernment I want to understand that People can say shit that's not true.

You know, I want to understand facts. I want to research. And I 

[00:54:37] Cam Leids: don't have to engage with everything that's there. 

[00:54:40] Tracey Tee: I don't have to engage with everything that's there. I don't have to believe everything that's there. You know, and, and that you, you can do your research. You can learn. And and learning about what you put in your body, whether it's cacao or pizza or psilocybin, it's a good thing to do.

It's a good thing for you to be 

[00:55:00] Cam Leids: aware of what you consume. And understand how it's going to affect you and like, simply just like feel how it's going to affect you. Like I've, I've. I, I've, I'm now going through like this phase where like, I, I definitely still, I definitely still like fast food. Like I'm not, I'm not going to pretend like I don't, but like 

[00:55:16] Tracey Tee: so much, but 

[00:55:17] Cam Leids: like it's, it's to the point now where, you know, when I'm thinking, I'm like, damn, that sounds really good.

Like it's like the taste of it. But now I can really feel like, I know my body is going to feel really bad afterwards. And I, it's like, I'm not sure it out, like, it doesn't outweigh it as, as much as it used to 

[00:55:35] Tracey Tee: as much as I allow myself to talk about once a year. Halfway through my black bean Crunchwrap Supreme, I start to feel the joints in my fingers, like, 

[00:55:47] Cam Leids: swell up.

Everything is just inflamed. I'm like, here we go, here we 

[00:55:51] Tracey Tee: go. 

[00:55:51] Cam Leids: Yep, this is why I don't do this anymore. And 

[00:55:53] Tracey Tee: no regrets. I always, I inevitably eat it in my car. Like, there's nothing cute about it. But, you know, that's okay. 

[00:56:00] Cam Leids: But again, it's like, there's intention behind that. There is intention. Because 

[00:56:05] Tracey Tee: I want so much, it's so good.

I can't eat it though. 

[00:56:09] Cam Leids: Well, on that note, I think we're going to end it here. And before we officially do, How can people find you? Is there anything that you'd like to, any resources that you want to tell the world or anything like that? 

[00:56:23] Tracey Tee: Oh, thank you. Um, yeah, so I'm not on Facebook. Um, Instagram is at moms on mushrooms official, but really everything is on moms on mushrooms.

com. And, um, we always have courses, you know, we're, what do I say? We're working to meet moms where they're at. So I would say. If you're curious about us at all, join our private membership. It's 2. 22 a month. It's literally, 

[00:56:51] Cam Leids: that's up there. 

[00:56:53] Tracey Tee: It's not even less than a latte. Like you can't even say the word latte without paying 2.

22. So it's, we, we consciously made it as affordable as we could while also weeding out trolls is basically the impetus for that price. Um, and, uh, inside there we have, we have, gosh, we have integration circles. We have ceremony circles. We have Q and A's with. With people working in the space, we've got tons of resources, we've got subgroups, we've got lots of stuff.

Um, so I'd say start there, join, it's called The Grow, join The Grow for 2. 22 and then, you know, take a course with us if you feel called, but, or just follow us on social. I post, when I remember. And, and that's all I got. 

[00:57:40] Cam Leids: Well, thank you so much, Tracey. This has been really, really amazing. I'm very, very grateful that you let me into your home in order to do this.

And 

[00:57:48] Tracey Tee: can we talk about my dog? 

[00:57:50] Cam Leids: Absolutely. Jojo is has been now on me pretty much this entire time. She loves you. 

[00:57:55] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Thanks, Kim. 

Thanks, Tracey.

[00:58:01] Cam Leids: Thank you everybody for listening for everybody who made it this far. I appreciate you. I love you. I hope you're having an amazing day. If 

you're not having an amazing day, I hope that this turns it around for you or maybe if you're having a 

shitty day, uh, I hope that you feel all of that and don't try to get out of it and go through whatever process you need to go through in order to transform that.

Uh, and yeah, peace. Thank you again for listening. If you want to get in contact with me, feel free to just DM me on any social media platform. Um, or you can send me an email, which is tripsittingblog@gmail.com. Thank you again, and we'll see you next episode.