Psilocybin Says

Tracey Tee has become a mouthpiece for microdosing particularly among moms. Everyone knows moms need more love and the mushrooms deliver. In this episode Courtney sits down with Tracey and talks motherhood, microdosing and more that you are sure to enjoy.

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[00:00:00] Tracey Tee: Imagine you're climbing up a fence of healing or a ladder of healing. Okay. And you're, you're pulling yourself up. Right. And the mushrooms are there to just like push your butt up over the top. Like they're holding you from the bottom, but you're still doing all the work. 

[00:00:17] Psilocybin Says: The amazing thing about the mushrooms is that they speak.

They talk to you. They will answer questions, carry on conversations. Psilocybin just pulls up a chair on the porch and puts its feet up. 

Today, Courtney speaks with Tracey Tee. Tracey Tee is a trailblazer in the mamasphere. Bringing the sacred use of plant medicine to mothers after over a decade of connecting and entertaining moms through her nationally touring comedy show, the pump and dump show.

Tracey's mission exploded into a new paradigm of support and healing in 2022. She launched moms on mushrooms. An innovative communal healing and microdosing course designed exclusively for mothers. Tracey's approach combines a reverence for the sacred feminine and indigenous wisdom and draws on her lifetime of learning about women's health and wellness.

And since its launch, Moms on Mushrooms has been featured on publications including NPR, Good Morning America, Rolling Stone Magazine, and the London Times. Tracey Tee has also appeared on Dr. Phil, and as an invited speaker at MAP's Psychedelic Science Conference. You're listening to Psilocybin Says. To support it, join the conversation in the YouTube comments.

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[00:01:56] Courtney McClure: Hey Tracey, it's great to have you here. Welcome to Psilocybin Says. 

[00:02:00] Tracey Tee: Thank you so much. I am so happy to be here. 

[00:02:02] Courtney McClure: Yes, me too. Happy to be here to moms. Happy to be here. It's a mushroom. Yeah. Yeah. So I've been looking forward to this conversation for some time now. Um, I actually came across an article, um, where you were featured, I think in psychedelics.

Or something like that, where basically you're sharing, um, about a psychedelic parenting and I just so appreciated your, your insights on that, uh, particularly around how, um, working with psychedelics can help us play, uh, with our children. So I'm just, yeah, I'm really glad that you're here and I'm just really looking forward to.

Hearing more about your story and you 

[00:02:53] Tracey Tee: Thank you 

[00:02:55] Courtney McClure: Yeah, so tell tell our listenership more about you how you Gotten to the psychedelic world. 

[00:03:04] Tracey Tee: Great. Thank you Um, it's my I always say like my origin story is kind of a long tale but I am I am a late bloomer in the psychedelic space and no one is more surprised that she's here than me podcast.

Um, I didn't come to working with magic mushrooms specifically until my mid forties and never really did anything before that. Um, I'm from Colorado, so I've had my fair share of cannabis. It's not really my jam, although actually through, uh, working with. And theogenic medicines, I've realized that, um, can we pause just one second?

Did you hear that? Did you hear that? Oh, you didn't. Okay, good. Sorry. There was a notification. Um, so through working with in theogenic medicines, I've actually come to appreciate cannabis like consciously, and I've worked with that in a ceremony space. Um, and I absolutely, uh, started drinking at a young age and drank all through college, my twenties and my thirties and most of my forties.

And then COVID happened and, um, I actually come to this particular business by way of a live comedy show. That was my career for nearly 10 years. I started a live comedy show with my best friends since the eighth grade and business partner called the pump and dump, which was a comedy show about parenting.

And we toured the country and built a very successful, amazing business. And it was really about bringing moms together around the things we've had in common. So I've been in the mommosphere since I had my own daughter, who's now 13 years old. Um, and we. Had actually just passed the torch onto two other casts in 2019, one out of Chicago, one out of LA to start touring regionally.

We were days away from signing an off Broadway contract with two Tony award winning producers in New York that we were going to be headlining and then start a new cast out of New York. And then the lockdowns happened. And within two weeks. We basically watched a business that we had grown from absolutely nothing fall through our fingers like sand and we ended up having to cancel almost 100 shows, um, for 2020 and then in 2021 it was pivot, pivot, pivot like everybody else and just couldn't get back on our feet.

And by the end of 2021, um, we decided. The stars are not any longer aligned for the pump and I'm show. And we just kind of threw in the towel, but as anyone who owns their own business knows, it is very much a family member. It definitely becomes a part of you in every sense of the word and the grief of losing a company, especially when you didn't do anything wrong.

It just, there was nothing we could do about it except sit idly by and watch. Watching disappear. The grief was palpable and, um, fortunately for me, it launched me into a deeper level of my own sort of spiritual journey that I had been on for many years prior to that. And, um. In that journey, I was just sort of given permission to work with plant medicine.

Now I had been, I always, I forget this part of my life because I talk about psychedelics so much now, but I'm very much a green witch. I have been working with herbs and essential oils and plants. For, for as long as I can remember, I love plants. So I've always studied psychedelics. Um, ayahuasca made so much sense to me way back before it became so trendy.

But I always thought, how am I ever supposed to do that? Like I'm a mom. Like there's no way I'm just going to go to the Amazon rainforest. For three months and, you know, study with the shaman. So I just sort of put it on the back burner as something that I wasn't allowed to do. And then this wide space of this, um, you know, of the lockdowns opened up and I just finally answered the call and the call honestly came from that same best friend of mine saying, you know what, in 2020, we're going to go on a camping trip.

Uh, with a bunch of other ladies at this lake and you're going to put on your big girl pants and you're going to try mushrooms. And I'm like, okay, the best night ever. And when I was driving up to it, I remember thinking to myself, if there's something here, I think if there, if, if, if. If this night is how I feel like it's going to go, there is something here.

And again, this is after I, I remember I went and like saw Paul Stamets by myself at, when he came to Denver to speak. And again, I was just like, well, this sounds great, but I'm never going to do it. And so this moment was really pivotal for me. And of course it was, everything did happen. I My heart grew four sizes that night.

I confirmed my connection with God. I saw a grid of protection over the earth. I felt love like I'd never felt before, but always knew that I understood. And I was a changed woman. And that really, that really microdosing because on top of. All of the grief in the business stuff. I had also have had a lifetime of very serious reproductive health issues.

I had stage four endometriosis that was diagnosed when I was in my 20s, which led through a series of massive surgeries and emergency C section and then eventually a full hysterectomy when I was 41, which. Plummeted me into surgical menopause at a really young age. And I was put on by my functional medicine doctor, I think very wisely put on Wellbutrin before my surgery to carry me into this massive transition that no one prepared me for at all, except for her.

And I was very grateful for the Wellbutrin, but I knew that it wasn't a sustainable solution. And I also was kind of like, who am I without it? Now that all my hormones are gone now that I'm this completely different physical person I don't know what I feel like without it and I don't know that I want to find out right?

I mean it was a big deal. Yeah, and so micro dosing made perfect sense to me theoretically and no one was really talking about it, but I ended up trying it and my life when I started with small doses my life just went like that and just I just Everything around my spirituality around the question marks around the things that I was struggling with that I didn't love about myself, but couldn't figure out how to break through and fix all just started to fall away gently.

And I just really felt myself becoming the best version of myself and, um. And then from there, I, you know, looked into large dose journeys, which is its own like portal to get there. And it was really in that large macro dose where, like many people, I was sort of shown a lot of things about my life. And it was.

It became very clear that this medicine is here at this time. Um, I believe for mothers specifically to bring us together and to bring us the healing that we're so desperately seeking. And for me, having brought mothers together around laughter and comedy, which I'm so grateful for. Mm-hmm . Um, but you know, in a bar setting involving alcohol, I was, that was kind of like.

The old way and it just became so clear that the new way was to come together and actually start talking about things to reform what it means to be in a community and to actually clear this stuff out instead of just remunerating around about it over and over again in our same paradigm and toxic ways and from there after I was integrating, I was in meditation one day and Mom's on mushrooms.

M. O. M. just sort of landed in my head and I sat up and I was like, well, that's genius. Like, yeah, out of it. You know, who am I? And, you know, ran to the computer is available. And I was just honestly, I remember I was just like, okay, all right, God, if that's if that's what you want, I guess we'll do it. And here we are.

[00:11:23] Courtney McClure: Wow. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. There's so many, so many things. Uh, I want to respond to from what you just said. First off. Yeah, you're never too old and it's never too late. My husband, Eric, um, got my parents potentially the most unique Christmas present. Um, this past year, he got them a, an LSD trip. Uh, that he's going to hold space for them while they LSD for the first time.

And I found this perfect card, um, in this local women owned, uh, shop in Louisville, Kentucky, where we live that says you're never too old. And it's never too late. And inside it was his letter with the invitation to hold space while they have their first LSD trip. And they were into it. They were, they were.

I wasn't sure. I was like, Eric, I don't know, like, I just feel like they may be a little weirded out by that. He's dropped hints before. I mean, we have a mushroom church, uh, and did mushroom retreats in Jamaica for so long, so it's not like the weirdest gift ever from, from us, but they were really touched.

They said, We're going to do it. They got all excited. They're like, let's do it. 

[00:12:42] Tracey Tee: Wonderful. It's never too late. It's never too late. We get so many moms coming to moms on mushrooms and kind of their third act. And it's so inspiring to just be like, here I am in my sixties, seventies, even eighties. And I'm still willing to change my mind.

It's so beautiful. It 

[00:13:02] Courtney McClure: is. Yeah. And in Jamaica, you know, I was really surprised by that when we started the retreat center there in 2013, Michael meditations, which we no longer own, we passed on to our former partners. But, um, I thought when we started that, I thought, you know, we're just going to have a bunch of people that are just like hippies are just going to want to come and just like, go crazy mushrooms in the tropics.

And I was. Yeah. I was beside myself. The people that were signing up were in their 50s and 60s. Almost, you know, like 90 percent of the people who had never had a psychedelic experience before in their entire life, oftentimes never smoked cannabis at all and were just intentionally ready. Yeah. We're a shift, a change of perspective, a spiritual experience.

So yeah, you're so right. And I love that you touched on comedy and psychedelics. Oh my gosh. Can we please talk about this more? 

[00:14:03] Tracey Tee: I mean, that show hasn't been written yet, but I know that there's probably one brewing, but it's certainly this life. This journey is freaking hilarious and anyone who takes themselves so seriously that they can't laugh at what we're all doing, uh, is missing the point and, and, um, and, and also it's not, it's not supposed to be so dark and serious.

I mean, as we heal, of course, I've gone through a thousand ego deaths and many dark nights of the soul and many months on the floor with my face down in prayer, weeping. All of those things are true. I've also had the best belly last of my life. I've also allowed myself to just. Laugh at myself, which is so liberating and, um, and it's funny, this is, it's funny stuff.

[00:14:55] Courtney McClure: It is. It's hilarious. Look at us just, you know, bopping around, trying to figure stuff out. Yes. Oh my gosh. Yeah. It's so funny. I mean, the majority of. My mushroom experiences. Now, they really didn't used to be this way. Uh, when I first started out, um, practicing with the mushroom in 2012. Um, but yeah, now it's, it is so liberating to just laugh, take ourselves so seriously so much.

And yes, like life is, it can be serious. Um, and. There's a lot of, you know, intentional decisions to make every day. Um, but yeah, to just laugh and with community, like, I love that you bring up, um, community 

[00:15:43] Tracey Tee: as 

[00:15:43] Courtney McClure: well. Um, so I'd love for you to talk more about that. Um, what your experience has been like in community with mushroom.

[00:15:51] Tracey Tee: Yeah. You know, it's really interesting. I just. I think everyone who feels called to this medicine and kind of like crosses over that bridge to create a relationship with any entheogen, right? Like, but for me specifically, uh, magic mushrooms are absolutely like my master plant teacher. You, you know, you are, you come to know certain things to be true for you.

And I really think for me, I believe deeply that this medicine should not be taken in a vacuum. It's not meant to be a solitary pursuit. Um, it is. meant to bring us together and everything about it, you know, starting with the mycelial web begs us to connect. That is the whole point. And so I think we do the medicine a real disservice to, um, assume that this healing journey.

In conjunction with the medicine should be done in this solitary space. Um, not only do you grow more by sharing your experiences with other people because you're opening up a level of vulnerability that we have cut off for generations now, especially in the West. We don't talk vulnerable, vulnerably about things we don't understand, things that might scare us.

things that we experienced that bring us awe and wonder, but maybe we need answers. Um, we don't, we don't really default to that kind of conversation. So allowing yourself to do that, like with, with the medicine at the center just gives you a whole nother level of understanding. Um, and of healing and then listening, which is something we also aren't great at doing in the West, listening to other people's experiences gives you a broader understanding, a contextual understanding of your own by hearing what other people are going through.

And I just think that that is what they want. Um, I'd even go so far as to defer, you know, descent from. The greats who of course were all men, you know, back in the day, but I don't agree with Terrence McKenna that you should just close yourself in a dark room and take nine grams and go on this hero's journey alone.

I think you should go in a room and there should be someone holding space for you. I think if it's a woman, it should be an elder. You know, if you're going through this, find the elders, find our original elders and have someone who can navigate the landscapes with you. Hold space for you and give you love and so that you can receive it while your mind is in your consciousness is being expanded.

So community is everything. And I don't think that this medicine needs to default to the way of scientism. I know that we understand that there's a lot going on in the brain and I'm All for longitudinal studies and understanding that for sure, but I also believe that we can believe each other and that anecdotal science or anecdotal experiences have value.

Mm-hmm . And the medicine doesn't make you. Want to lie like that. Those things kind of are kicked out or exaggerate. If you're truly communing with this medicine, you want to tell the truth of like what's going on with you. And if you are in community with people, you want to believe them. And I think there's a lot of lessons there.

[00:19:22] Courtney McClure: Yeah, absolutely. Um, I mean, Albert Hoffman, he had his, uh, the founder of LSD had his first LLC experience, totally experientially. No, um, no science to back it. I mean, after he told his friends about that, they were probably pretty into trying it out for themselves. Yes, I, I love what you're saying. Um, and which is one reason I was really, I've been really looking forward to this interview is your, um, approach to community building, um, and seeing how you're doing that just.

And what I've seen on your website and in your social media, your emphasis on bringing moms together and continuing to open up a forum for them for conversation and your different levels of accessibility, 

[00:20:15] Tracey Tee: I 

[00:20:15] Courtney McClure: really appreciate. I know you have like different. Uh, entry levels to different programs, um, and one of which is very accessible.

I feel like for women to just get some basic information, um, about like, just, just very foundational stuff about practicing with the mushroom. Um, as there's so many questions, uh, right now, 

[00:20:38] Tracey Tee: there's so many questions and also we have to unlearn. The allopathic, um, method of medicine and what it means to heal.

We also have a lot of programming around being told what to do. We are, you know, to get a little astrological about it, we are leaving the age of Aquarius, which is linear line structure formation. Those things have brought us to where we are, have created technology, have created systems and societies, and there's a lot of value there.

But what is lost is a less linear path. Of curiosity, compassion, questioning, and also we. We fell into this obsession with a hierarchy that there's someone at the top that has to tell everyone else what to do. And you see this in every system. You see it in education, you see it in science, you see it in politics, you see it in religion.

And what I'm trying to do, and it's actually proving to be surprisingly difficult is release the guru mentality altogether and empower moms with. Information, because information is good. You need to learn about what you're doing. And this isn't passive medicine, okay? This isn't something that we take from a bottle.

And the passivity actually comes from the hierarchy, right? We're so used to going into a doctor's office and being told, Just take this. A, you know, A. will equal be if you take this pill at the same time every day and everyone else is doing it and these are the known results, but also C, D, E and F might also happen and you're just going to have to deal with it and don't question it and don't ask why you feel like crap and inside that there's no malleability and there's no empowerment because you don't even know what's in your medicine.

You don't know those Language. You don't know those chemicals and you don't really have any context, but psilocybin is actually surprisingly easy to understand its foundations. The chemical makeup is pretty straightforward and it does take some unlearning to say, all right, before I just throw this down the hatch, I'm going to learn about it.

I'm going to create a relationship with it. I'm going to understand what's happening. And what I'm finding is that it's people really still just want to be told what to do. And if mom were just like, You can do it yourself. You know, here's some guidelines. Here's some structures. And do you remember this?

Do you remember this intuition that's in the tear that's in your womb? Do you remember that amazing thing that we call gut instinct and mother instinct? Do you remember that? You can tap into that and you will know. Um, so yeah. 

[00:23:11] Courtney McClure: Yes. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. How long do we have? Because I, I feel like this has been so much of my journey over.

The last since I've been in the world of psychedelics, um, is that like trying to, like, feeling so strongly, um, you know, while I am, I am so grateful for the research that's out there so that it, it can better empower us and remind us of the safety of these sacred plants and fungi. I'm so grateful. I really am.

And also, at the same time, there is this big, um, reason why I feel like people like you and me are here. Um, and our community is here to help remind each other, like, with each other. Uh, and conversation and learning how to be authentic and what we're feeling and expressing again. Um, then, you know, we can, we can just kind of figure it out together.

[00:24:14] Tracey Tee: Um, yeah, it's amazing and, and a beautiful thing. Um, and it's a shock to a lot of systems is, um, and we can get into this, which is why I really think like the modern Western woman, the modern Western mother, actually, I believe. Um. And people disagree with me, but this is my personal belief is that starting with microdosing is the way because you're creating that relationship.

And what the beautiful thing about taking small doses consistently over time does is you start to feel it in your body in a way that you can manage and that you can understand. And when you start, um, And mushrooms are so amazing with opening up the channels in your body so that you feel it for the first time.

This is why I believe a lot of mothers, when they start microdosing are so debilitatingly tired. It's because your heart and your gut are finally talking to your brain. They're all listening to each other. And you know what they're saying? You're exhausted and you need to lay down to nap in 10 years and you're freaking tired and we are really good at ignoring those messages from our body.

We shut it off after it gets past our throats, you know, and, and when we start to feel the medicine in our body. We will know what to do, you will, your body will tell you, but that is a massive on learning. 

[00:25:37] Courtney McClure: Yeah, it really is. Um, you know, I'm going to be honest with you. I used to be. Anti microdosing I used to be, I've I've come around, but, you know, because I started off deep dive all the way full moon, new moon, deep dive and I, it was hard for me.

Okay, so. I feel like I'm the type of person, it sounds like maybe you are too, where you see a crowd of people running this way and you're like, I'm going to go that way. So when I saw people flocking to micro dosing, my initial instinct was a trend trend, you know? And so I. I didn't speak highly of it for a while.

Um, and then, but then I kept having conversations with people who were coming to Jamaica, um, and then coming to sanctuary, uh, intentionally to practice with the mushroom. And they just kept saying, like, you know, I, I found the mushroom through micro dosing and I've just, I've experienced so much healing with it and opening and connection.

Like you're saying, I've been able to connect with myself for the first time and so long. So then I was like, okay, all right. Okay, Courtney, open up. Maybe there's something here and, um, then I started to, uh, yeah, learn more about it and feel like maybe, you know, this can be a, uh, intentional practice to, um, 

[00:27:07] Tracey Tee: yeah, and it's, you know, it's like all things it's not for everyone.

Um, like all things, I do think it can be misused and um, I think there's a lot of expectation put on it. Now. One thing I work really hard to do is like tell you that this is not a magic pill. It's um, the best, I think my favorite analogy right now is that the mushrooms are, imagine you're climbing up a fence of healing or a ladder of healing.

Okay. And you're, you're pulling yourself up. Right. And the mushrooms are there to just like. Push your butt up over the top, like they're holding you from the bottom, but you're still doing all the work. And I really believe and I, and I, and I will go to the mattresses on this one. I think most people in our culture right now, if you're not like, on a soul level, like already aligned with plants and there's people like you that can just dive in and it's like, you just know, and that's.

That's a lot of people, but most people now who are, who are feeling called to this medicine as sometimes a last resort, sometimes like your hail Mary, like I've tried everything else and I'm going to do this because I keep hearing about it. If you go into ceremony or God forbid, you do it by yourself in your basement and you swallow three and a half grams of penis envy and don't know anything about what you're about to get into.

It can be incredibly destabilizing, and that is where there is concern for mental health, regardless if you have schizophrenia or bipolar or anything, you know, it can just really jack you up. If you have an experience that you have no context for. And so I would much rather people build a slow and steady contextual relationship with the medicine and then absolutely go do your large dose journey.

They are. profoundly important in e society is fast, all in n research and not even a l We just want things to be that is not how this medi I think having that rela Getting over fear, allowing yourself to deprogram and taking some time to learn about a new way of, of healing, of, um, feeling. I just think that's the way for the West.

Um, and I think, and I, and it makes me, I say this because I'm as protective of the medicine as I am of mothers in my lane where I work, but you know, you go in and you do a journey and it's, and it's. Scary or destabilizing or too much. It's overwhelming. Any, any number of things that we've all experienced and you don't have either someone there.

You don't even know the integration is a thing. You don't have a good guide. That's trustworthy. You don't have a community to talk to about it. You say that sucked and you blame the medicine and I don't want that to happen. 

[00:29:57] Courtney McClure: Yeah. Yeah, all such Points of wisdom, um, the mushroom, uh, these medicines used to be practiced exclusively in community where there was a frame of reference that was instilled from childhood.

Um, a lot of us have heard that and, um, ayahuasca cultures that there's ayahuasca put on the mother's nipple. You know, and that was the baby's first taste. Uh, so. Yes, I makes so much sense in the world. What you're saying. Um, and on a podcast that I recorded with Michaela Carlin, psychedelic mom is her show.

Um, she touched on this. Yeah, me too. Talking about the gentleness, like, not being her new edge, you know, like, instead of like, what you're saying, fast and hard, fast and hard, got to jump all the way and do it, do it. Um, this new approach of, well, maybe, maybe. Yeah. I can be, you know, more soft with myself and gentle and just ease in and maybe there's, there's a lot of value there, uh, which kind of feels like this feminine shift that we're experiencing it is.

And we 

[00:31:18] Tracey Tee: have to learn, we have to learn how to. Function in that gentleness. That's so amazing that you said that I was literally driving back from school today and I always have a word of the year for myself. Um, and then last year I started kind of downloading a word like for my community and kind of like the collective, like how I'm seeing things and it helps me frame how to show up for others.

And the word is gentleness. That's my word for the, for the community. My word is purge. So that's fun.

I was in the shower, I was in the shower and it just like showed up as like, like a billboard in my brain. And I was like, aw, come on, like, why can't I have like expansion, abundance, but anyway, I'm purge. But the other word is gentleness. And I think there is so much learning inside gentleness. Um, That's And, and, and, and microdosing is absolutely gentle.

[00:32:18] Courtney McClure: Yeah, definitely. My word of the year is embrace. Just had this conversation with the women in our community. Yeah. I had a virtual vision board circle last week. It was my first virtual vision boarding circle, which was very interesting and fun. I highly recommend it. Okay. 

[00:32:33] Tracey Tee: I was trying to figure out how to do something like that.

I love that. Yeah. 

[00:32:37] Courtney McClure: Yeah. We did a collective vision board. So I pulled up. I've done in person vision board workshops, like a handful of them before, and they're awesome. Um, but we have all these women across the country, uh, that whenever we have an in person vision board circle, they're like, Oh man, I want to do it, you know, but they're not in Kentucky.

So they can't. So I'm like, you know what, I'm going to figure this out for y'all. So I thought, well, I'll just pull up Canva. Yeah, and I'll screen share and we'll just we'll go around. I do authentic relating activities and almost every one of my circles to help us practice communicating what's here with us now.

So we did that and some meditation and then I asked everyone to pick a word their word for the year. And based on that word. I just searched pictures on Canva. It was really fun. I 

[00:33:31] Tracey Tee: bet. I was like, I love this. 

[00:33:33] Courtney McClure: Yeah, it was, it was really playful and that was part of my intention with it. You know, just with the vision boarding, you know, let's be sincere, but we don't have to be so serious.

Like, let's just laugh and have fun with each other. Um, someone, someone's word of the year was wings. Like, you know, freedom wings, and I typed in wings to Canva and a bunch of chicken wings came up the hardest time finding like wings, so you're imagining. Yeah, yeah. So that was fun. It was fun. It turned out great that, you know, it's really nice looking vision boards, a collective vision board at the end.

So we had a group. Vision board, which is cool. I've never done that before. 

[00:34:12] Tracey Tee: This is very inspiring. Thank you for sharing. I love this. Yeah, it was easy. Did anyone have courage? And I wonder what Canva would have brought up. I'm glad I wasn't there to burn it. That would have 

[00:34:24] Courtney McClure: been. Yeah, purging can be, you know, it can be really, really 

[00:34:32] Tracey Tee: great.

Really cathartic. Yeah. And it's coming in and I will, I shared it with 1 of my teachers, Laura Dawn, and she was like, well, I'm going to read it to you because she just wrote it. I mean, it was, she just said, um. She said purge. Purge is a solid prayer. It's a phase you just can't skip. Mm-hmm . And um, and it's amazing how I, I, you know, when I read it first I was like, girlfriend's been purging for many, many years.

How much more purging. But to do it intentionally, I'm kind of excited. And it's, and I think it actually, I like gentleness is the, is the antithesis to it because I do think pur doesn't have to be this dramatic. Over the top, you know, I'll be a disgusting type thing. I think purging can be very gentle purging can be a letting go and a cleaning out and it can be expansive.

It can be, um, beautiful. Uh, if so, it's, I've already, you know, we're at January 24th and I'm already learning the lesson. So I'm grateful. Nice. That's great. 

[00:35:40] Courtney McClure: Yeah. I mean, if we, if we clean the house regularly, then we don't have to do as many big vicious You know, deep planes. So I kind of feel like that's, that can be with purging too.

So, so, okay. So you're a mom. Uh, 

[00:35:56] Tracey Tee: how old are your kids? I have one daughter and she's 13. 

[00:36:00] Courtney McClure: Oh, okay. Okay. So do you talk with her? How do you talk with her about this? 

[00:36:07] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Um, you know, very openly, um, when I, when I sort of transitioned into the psychedelic space and I knew that this was going to be a thing, um, When you have an only child, the relationship is incredibly intimate, um, because there's no one, there's no one to, there's no one to diffuse what's happening with the parents, right?

You can't say, go play with your brother. There's no one there. And, um, she just happens to be incredibly Um, observant and, and we're close and her, I mean, her, like, she was the why kid when she was like three, why to everything. So I knew that there wasn't really any getting around. She was, you know, she was the one that figured out Santa Claus, like at a tragically early age and I just couldn't lie to her cause she just would keep asking why.

Um, so I just knew that there was no getting around this conversation. My family, we have a big family. We have Sunday dinners, there's wine on the tables. She's grown up around alcohol and she lives in Colorado. There's dispensaries on every street corner. So when my husband and I talked, we were just kind of like, all of this is in front of her.

All of this is already in her sphere of awareness. Why would we hide this amazing thing that isn't being binged that isn't being abused and that is changing certainly my life and has thrust me into this new career? Like, why would we hide that from her? So we took it slow. And, and, and I've had to, you know, the minute she could start reading and we would pass cannabis shops or billboards, you know, I had to explain cannabis to her.

So we just kind of took that approach. Like this is a medicine, it can be great for healing. It's not for kids, you know, and I've showed her, I've showed her everything. This is what dried mushrooms look like. These are my capsules. See this chocolate, see these words, this is the word. And we just kind of keep the conversation up and, um, and you know, she's been.

And I've been very open about, you know, when mom goes and does a journey, I think one of my proudest moments, we were driving to school and I had done a journey, maybe like a week, the week prior or something. And she said, I know you may not want to talk about it because it sounds like it might be private.

But if you ever want to tell me what happened in your journey, I'd love to hear. And I was like, Are you an integration? Wow. That's 

[00:38:30] Courtney McClure: a yes. 

[00:38:31] Tracey Tee: I know. And I just was like, okay. And for me also having grown up, you know, in the Reagan era and on the war on drugs, it's really important. For me personally to just take that fear away.

And it's amazing how, even though she's grown up in a family that's been pretty open about most things, we don't put our head in the sand with her. She just, it's like in her DNA to be scared of certain things. And it only takes like one comment from one person, you know, somewhere that's like, don't do that.

It's bad. Or you could die. And like, that's what sticks no matter how many times mom has been on TV talking about this, how many women she sees that are so grateful that this medicine has helped them. It's that message. And so keeping that going, keeping that conversation going is almost like an effort, um, to just monitor her own pre programmed fear and bias and, and, and not throw it down her throat, like, You have to love mushrooms, but just say like, this is something that you shouldn't be scared of, and I want you to be safe about it.

And then God willing, when she starts going to parties and stuff, she's going to be empowered to understand all the drugs. She's going to understand alcohol. She's going to hear my stories, my tales. She's going to understand cannabis. She's going to know what to do and how to protect herself and how to make empowered choices.

Um, and also I have to say she's 13, like the last thing she's probably ever going to do is magic mushrooms because her mom loves it so much because anyone who's a parent knows that, you know, your kids do the opposite of what you do. So for anyone who's like, wants to keep kids off psychedelics, just start doing psychedelics.

[00:40:11] Courtney McClure: Yeah. And they'll be like, yeah, no, no, that's. Yeah, I've been really curious how our kids, so. Eric has 2 kids prior to us being together. They're 14 and 21. And then we have 2 together that are 6 and almost 3 years old. So, um, and our kids that we've had together have been. I mean, they just talk, they hear us talk about mushroom.

They've been hearing us talk about mushrooms for since they were born. Um, you know, it's funny, Theo, our six year old, sometimes he'll be playing in his room, like by himself and I'll walk by and he's like doing some imaginative, imaginative thing with his Legos, you know, and he's like pretending he's like, yeah, where do you want to go to mushroom church with me?

Oh yeah, sure. You know, that's just kind of his frame of reference. But I've been curious as they grow, grow into teenagers. how that will be for them, uh, with their friends. Um, and if they'll get me, like, I don't know, pushback or I don't know, I'm just, I'm curious about that. 

[00:41:24] Tracey Tee: It is curious. She's gotten a couple things.

Um, you know, and mushrooms are trendy right now and having girls like, you know, there's like girls that are really into the cute mushrooms on their clothes and stuff. So it's kind of like out there anyway, it's in, it's in pop culture as we know. Um, so that's interesting. So like when I take her. My daughter and like her girlfriend's shopping.

And if there's like a mushroom sweatshirt, they're like, Oh, you know, look, you know, and they show me, so they associate it, but I don't think they really have the broad context, but my daughter's told me a couple of times, like someone, they were talking, I don't know, someone had a mushroom sticker or something and someone else was like, mushrooms will kill you.

And Evie was like, no, they won't, you know, and was very clear. And so I was like, okay, she's hearing. She's hearing something, you know, that, like, at least defend that. It's not bad. Um, yeah, and I'm seeing trends, you know, I've got nieces and nephews that are in high school and college and, you know, I'm not at the parties with them.

And I know that there's a lot of. Concern for substance abuse with with adolescence in general, there has been and that's just a rite of passage, but I'm seeing at least with the kids in my family, a little bit more mature approach to all of it. Um, then even we did when I was in high school, I just think kids are a little smarter right now.

I think that comes with good parenting. I think it comes with, um, more open conversations, less like abstinence, abstinence on all things and just be like, let's talk about it. And, and I just don't think kids, I think these kids are born wise and they don't really want to get effed up, um, like other generations did.

So yeah, it'll be an interesting. Observation for sure. 

[00:43:10] Courtney McClure: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Like you said, I mean, kids now, um, I think there's enough alcoholism in the world where they've seen enough examples of their drunk or yeah, parents, parents, friends. And so seeing that and having that like, I don't want to do that.

But when my mom comes back from a journey and she's like, Playing with me and relaxed. I like that. I like that. Look. 

[00:43:44] Tracey Tee: Yeah. And I think, and that's one thing that my husband and I really talked about. Cause we've definitely seen that too, is, you know, talking to the teenagers that we know that are just, yeah, absolutely.

Like I, you know, I don't want that because I've seen what that does. Like drunk isn't it. Doesn't look fun to me at all, because I've seen the people, the adults in my life that I respect or love, not modeling anything that I want to experience. Um, and so that's something that we feel very strongly about, too, just in general, is just not being inebriated in any way from anything around her, because there is a point when children, they know the energetic shifts of parents, and they know when you're not.

The mom that feels safe and that can be with cannabis, that can be with alcohol, that can be with mushrooms, um, can be with your phone and being really cognizant of that and just maintaining a level of consistency showing up for your kids. even when you don't, you know, even when you want to let loose or you feel like they don't, you know, they're not going to notice they do, they do notice.

And, um, you know, that's, I think a responsibility on our generation to model for sure. 

[00:44:54] Courtney McClure: Yeah, absolutely. So it sounds like your husband has been along. On the ride with you since 2020 and like, is he, does he practice as well with, he 

[00:45:08] Tracey Tee: does not, is not as, um, passionately as I do. Um, but he has a healthy appreciation.

He is open. He, um, yeah, and he is, is fully supportive. Um, and he's just seen the change in me. And I think, yeah. I think for to be perfectly transparent, there's probably some days where he's like, is she going to a place where she's not going to come back in terms of this woman? I thought I knew we've been married for 22 years.

We have a long, we spent a lot of time together and I think I actually really grateful that I have, like, A really strong, long marriage to show others that you can change and you can hold space. And it's just a real testament to the both of us that as we grow older, as our daughter gets older, as we change, like we were allowing ourselves to evolve and change together and navigate that together and learn together.

And this medicine has brought up a lot of big changes in our, in our personal life and our relationships with other people. Um, That I think we are more open to talking about from a vulnerable space than we were within. We would have been 10 years ago. 

[00:46:25] Courtney McClure: Yeah, that's awesome. I love to hear that. Yeah, it's, um, and in any relationship, uh, where 1 person is on this path, uh, and experiencing a lot of new things and making shifts, um.

Yeah, it says a lot about the both of you that you've, you, it seems like you're bringing him up in these conversations, um, intentionally, uh, the intentional conversations with your daughter. And, um, it's just, it's really beautiful for me to hear that. And for you all to be modeling that, yeah, 

[00:47:05] Tracey Tee: it's also, I think important, you know, I think I'm certain you feel this and see it.

Daily, there's a drumbeat happening in the earth right now that women are hearing, um, very loudly. And there is this call. Um, there's a shift happening. We all know this to be true. And, and some of us. Feel that drumbeat and are like, take me to it. I'm all in. Some of us are like, why am I hearing that?

Something is changing. Um, I also want to change. I don't know where to start. And some of us are like, I hear the drumbeat and I'm not ready. And, um, when you start to shift who you are, when you really start to change your mind and, and answer that drumbeat or that call. There is a default mode of sort of either superiority and sort of evangelism that can happen where you're like, well, then everyone has to think like me.

Everyone has to change at the pace. I am changing. Everyone needs to do this. And I think it's a real testament to the path and the medicine of keeping your ego in check and not expecting, you know, I went through a phase where it's like, okay, my husband's not, Okay. He's not reading the same, all the same books.

I am some of it. He reads, you know, he doesn't always want to talk about whatever weird thing I'm like into in the moment. Um, he doesn't really care about my love for holy basil, but he certainly drinks the tea, you know, and I have to allow that, like he's on his own path and it's not up to me to just like hammer it in because that's the old way too.

That's that hierarchy. Like you have to do it my way, because this is what I believe now. And. That's going back to that gentleness and that softening of just allowing and saying, I'm going to hold space for the real people that I'm in love, that I'm in alignment with. Um, because sometimes people fall away and because they're not truly in alignment, but saying like, I love this man and.

He loves me and he supports me, but he doesn't have to be like me, you know, it doesn't mean our marriage is bad. It doesn't mean I'm a hypocrite. It doesn't mean he's dumb. It just means we're different humans, which we always were. And we're, we're on this journey together. 

[00:49:22] Courtney McClure: Yeah. Yeah. I think I needed to hear that today.

Just, I mean, when Passionate people like ourselves, I can, I certainly go through waves of, um, of passion and creativity and energetic, like floods of, wow, I need to create and I need to like be on this path of doing this thing. I have this vision now and it's, it's happening and, um, yeah, allowing those, our loved ones and our life to just, Integrate that, um, is is really important and feels really good.

Um, when we allow that to happen, um, and just just flow 

[00:50:14] Tracey Tee: and I really, I think there's a lot of wisdom. There's a so much wisdom and grace in the, in the people that really love you that are like, hell, yes, go. This might not be for me right now and, and that both and holding that and, and, and feeling receiving that, like knowing that someone has got my back, but just isn't, doesn't feel called the psychedelics that is love like that.

Is love. Now there's the other side where like, I love you and I'm judging you. No, that's not love, you know, and I've experienced both, but to just say, go, go, go, go, go. And I'm going to be here. And, and I, there's so much wisdom and quietness. And I am a manifesting generator, triple Aries, Enneagram eight.

Like I wake up every day and I'm like, What are we doing? And that's not my husband. Thank God. Oh my gosh. We'd burn the place down if he was like matching me, you know? 

[00:51:15] Courtney McClure: Uh huh. Yeah. My son, uh, six year old son's a triple Aries as well. Hey, we made an agreement somewhere along the line. So I'm in, I'm in it to win it.

I love that kid. Um, so, okay. So Can you talk a little bit more about your, um, micro dosing practice, like how that shows up for you in your day to day life? 

[00:51:44] Tracey Tee: Yeah, um, it's it's, um, always changing. I think for me, number 1 is intention. Um, I. This month has been really potent. Um, and I actually haven't been microdosing that much at all.

I've actually really been sitting with cacao. I'm in the middle of a cacao facilitator course. That's another just plant teacher that I just adore. And I finally just found a course that just allowed me to go deeper. So I've really been sitting with that medicine. I also think cacao and mushrooms go so beautifully together.

And I like to drink my mushrooms. Um, yeah. Okay, it slows me down. It is a kind of like soft way of integrating the medicine. Um, there's something that feels very harsh with just swallowing down capsules that doesn't like I, I could swallow a capsule of 150 milligrams and I probably wouldn't feel it. But if I drank it, it like infuses in my body.

That's me. Um, And so I have to always check myself. Like, is today a day where the medicine is calling? Okay. The medicine is calling. Why? Um, okay. Well, I'm writing. I am working through something. I am overwhelmed and stressed. I'm bored and really checking what the right reason is and then taking a micro dose.

And I'll almost sometimes like kind of as a, as someone who's creating a community. Okay. I'll, I'll do it the opposite. Like, I'll just microdose without thinking, just to check and see like how it feels in my body. Almost like a personal study. Mm-hmm . And it never, it never lands. So I really just listen to my body and listen to my heart.

And I try not to be in Aries about it and, uh, you know, um, ask myself why and then why again? And then why one more time. And if it's. Loud and clear than all microdose. So everyone always wants to like how much I take. And I would say I microdose between zero and five times a week. If you know, there's many weeks that go by where I just don't have it at all.

And there's some weeks where I'll do, I'm like, okay, I want a protocol. I'm ready. I want to do five straight days. I'm ready to go in. I have the space, um, to practice with it or sit with it. And lately. I've just been, especially like working with cacao more intentionally, I was in the car a couple of days ago and I was, I just felt the mushroom show up and I didn't take any mushrooms.

Yeah. And um, so I'm, I feel like I've kind of turned this corner where I'm just like, I mean, you're always with the medicine, right? If this is your path, but like, 

[00:54:24] Courtney McClure: I 

[00:54:25] Tracey Tee: was like, Oh, that just got activated and there was nothing there. So, but I think you have to allow yourself the space to let that happen. So that's I don't know.

Did that answer your question? 

[00:54:39] Courtney McClure: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, it kind of goes back to what we touched on earlier with wanting to encourage those in our lives and our community to listen to what feels like. Right for them. Um, and I can definitely relate to just wanting somebody to tell me what to do.

Like, I just want just tell me what to do. I don't want to get in touch with myself right now. Right? Um, but that's like, that's the guidance. That's the true guidance right there. Um, and I love your answer so much and it, it, it, I've certainly experienced in our community, um, like we have a subtle sacrament program.

So it's, um, up 2. 99 of a dose. It's like the entry level, um, communion is like our terminology. Um, and it, it's, It's interesting to navigate these conversations with our community members who get really frustrated and want to know, just like, just give me a schedule and I'll just do the schedule. And while I, I totally get that, like, if you have no frame of reference for, like, how to proceed, then yes, like, having some kind of frame of reference is so important.

And. Like, with the encouragement to like, here's your frame of reference, like, you know, up to 3 days a week or 5 days a week or whatever protocol you want to look at for guidance. And also, like, if you're feeling like it's just does not feel right today. Then listen to that. That's like, that's the learning.

Like that's the growth is in that communication of talking with yourself, talking with the mushroom. Like, is this a fit today? 

[00:56:34] Tracey Tee: No. And it 

answers like your body answers it answers. And, you know, and that's exactly why we have three and a half month containers. I do think it's an investment. It's an investment in your time and your, your, um, Attention and the way that you communicate.

And again, I just keep back, coming back to like the unlearning and trusting yourself, but that if you've never done that before, of course. Yeah. Like you're saying, like, you're not going to know what to do. And we have a mom protocol because everyone's same thing. Like why, how, how I'm like, okay, start two days a week.

Do you feel this go this way? Do you feel this go this way? Fine. Yeah, I get it. But more importantly, like, yeah. Hop into a group, you know, whether it's mom or you, or I don't care who it is, but do it intentionally and give yourself some time to see the evolution, even if that means like, I love the idea of like communion, like a first integration, like do it.

It's just, it's a comes down to intention and, and knowing your why. And I think we put so many things in our body and we don't even look at it. Um, And the women who I find sometimes are struggling with their microdosing practice, I'll ask, like, when's the last time you looked at it in your hand before you took it?

Do you, have you ever said thank you? Like do you, have you ever given it a prayer of gratitude? What's a prayer? I mean, we don't even know really how to pray anymore. We are so infused with shame in this idea that everything we do is wrong. If we're not. Following the rules that we are paralyzed in our own embodiment.

And so a prayer doesn't have to follow this certain thing. And you don't have to say these things. You just have to be honest and grateful. That's it. You know, and those are learned practices that we're coming as a society. I think we're coming back around to, um, the idea of ceremony. And, you know, we'll bring that up with our kids.

Like we aren't, and as a culture, we're not raised around any idea ceremony, even our churches. It's not actual ceremony. It's hierarchical performance. You know, why isn't church outside under trees? Like, come on, like, where, why, where is the, where is the back and forth? Where is the group in participation?

You know, it's one thing to repeat back. prayers or, or scriptures. It's another thing to have it be in a, in a true circle. We don't, we've lost all of that. So of course you're going to want to know what to do with the medicine. 

[00:59:11] Courtney McClure: Yeah. Yeah. We're, we have this amazing opportunity right now. Like, as you mentioned, the drum is beating and we're feeling the call now to revisit, like, what.

What is spirituality to us? What is church? What is community? What is sacred? Like, what, what are all these? What? Let's get back to what we originally meant with all these terms and practices. Um, and it's. Yeah, it's such a beautiful opportunity to be able to redefine these things. 

[00:59:49] Tracey Tee: And it's scary. I mean, I see this with my own mother who's like questioning is like feeling her which come online but has, you know, just deeply believes in Jesus and the Bible is one of the most intelligent women I've ever met.

And the crunchiness of her allowing both to exist, the crunchiness of her allowing her gifts to finally. Show themselves and to sit in her gifts on a daily basis while she's also looking to the Bible for wisdom and for answers like you can do both, but it's that shedding of this idea that you have to be told what to do, you know, and she's, she's struggling with trusting herself.

It's and we've been told for generations for centuries that we're the last person that we can trust. 

[01:00:41] Courtney McClure: Yeah. 

[01:00:42] Tracey Tee: And so naturally microdosing. And this is, this is a shadow side, right? You and I both see it all the time and spirituality. It's, it can become very performative. You know, I always cringe when I see like microdosing challenge and, you know, do it this way.

And I'm just like, no, it's not. It's the yang. It's the man. It's that male masculine energy. That has served us very well and still can in this medicine, but it's the, I believe it's the wrong approach. It's certainly the wrong approach for me. And we're still caught up in this linear idea that we have to just like shove protocols down people's throats that we have to tell people how it is.

And then the shame that even comes inside spirituality and the different modalities and the different beliefs and, you know, I'm from this culture and you're from this and you can't do this and you can do this and you're appropriating and you're not and all these things. I mean, there's a lot of lessons to be learned in there.

And then there's a lot of just. Butting heads and when all we really need to do is just be quiet and listen, you know, listen. Yeah, listen. 

[01:01:48] Courtney McClure: Yeah, we are relearning or learning in a new way. Maybe how to listen and, um, recognize that. We are each other, uh, and by, by like really feeling that deeply knowing that, you know, you look different than me.

You sound different than me. You believe different things than me, like, yet somehow we are connected and we need each other. Yeah, and when we can do that, which easier said than done, but we can just like, you're saying, like, be still. All right. Just hear someone out here where they're coming from and, like, see the value in their perspective and, like, try and communicate, like, how we feel about that in a, in a way where, like, we can we're in this together.

We're in this together. I have feelings. You have feelings. And some 

[01:02:48] Tracey Tee: of that involves saying you're sorry. Some of that involves saying you were wrong. Some of that involves. Telling someone else that they were wrong, you know, or that's not acceptable. I mean, there's so much give and take. Um, yeah, I mean, curiosity, kindness and compassion are kind of my three.

Like, if you have that, you can really, you can work through anything. You can get through anything and you can learn anything, but curiosity comes first. And that, that absolutely comes by saying, um, Tell me why I need to do this 30 day challenge. Tell me why this protocol is the only way to do it. You know, tell me why I should do a large dose before I microdose, or tell me why I should microdose before I do a large dose.

And then, and then that the person on the other end of that conversation saying, I trust you. To make the right decision. And if your decision has nothing to do with me, 

[01:03:39] Courtney McClure: like, yeah, yeah. Right. Whatever you end up with. Cool. Yeah. It's like, like what you said, um, you know, you mentioned like, you know, I don't care if somebody goes to you for their practice or comes to mom's up mushrooms or whatever.

Like I, Like that in itself could be a whole topic of a podcast, um, with where we're at in the resurgence of psychedelics right now. Um, like is so fascinating to me and hilarious that there's so much like battling going on, um, in the world of psychedelics. Like it's, it's. Like, when I am with the mushroom, I'm in the mushroom space.

I laugh hysterically at it because it's all what we need to go through. 

[01:04:28] Tracey Tee: Um, 

[01:04:28] Courtney McClure: but it's, it's kind of like what you mentioned earlier. It's like the antithesis of the lesson, like the deep lessons that we're all connected, uh, like, in the psychedelic space. Um, but I love this approach of collaboration and.

Encouraging like collaboration within different organizations, um, and encouraging people that come to us. Like, you know, what do you, what feels good for you? Like, encouraging that conversation with like, it's, it's truly okay. Like, if this isn't a fit, here's someone else that may be a fit for you. Yeah, like, why would you want?

Yeah. Like, 

[01:05:07] Tracey Tee: why would I want to? Forced someone to join mom, it sounds off.

And also I think that. I have no problem having a level of expectation of the people I collaborate with. I have no problem having my own values and things I care about and holding others to those values. And, and for me, it's inside the space of safety and love. Um. And deep, a deep prayer that any one person finds her path, but that doesn't mean everyone gets to study psychedelics.

That doesn't mean, you know, every, you know, like, they're inside that. I think there are guidelines and parameters and boundaries that need to be set. And, and, and only I will know what's right for me and only you will know what's right for you or what's important to you. But those are, those things are important to it.

It's, it's not a free for all. And that just kind of just goes back to the, like, the American, like, you know. And we're seeing it and it's, we laugh about it. It's out there. I think it'll, I think the medicine will sweep it away, but it is, there is like this mentality, like, does one journey becomes a shaman?

And it's concerning. It's like, really concerning. 

[01:06:27] Courtney McClure: Yeah. Yeah, which is a big part of, um, I mean, it's all wrapped up in this conversation that we're having about empowerment and listening to your intuition and, um, like all the times that someone's come to me and said, like, I want to go on a, on a journey.

Like, I want to try ayahuasca or I want to try San Pedro or toad medicine or whatever it is. Um, like, how do I know who to go to? Yeah. And like my simple suggestion to people is to reach out and have a conversation and listen, listen to yourself if you're feeling like a feeling of pressure or a feeling of like, like something that just feels like a drawing back or a drawing away, like, listen to that and it's not a fit.

It's okay. Like, there's other other options that will feel. Good. 

[01:07:20] Tracey Tee: Totally. And also, like, we're just finishing up this beautiful, like, kind of overview of taking a large dose journey to start that empowerment. But, you know, you don't know what you don't know. So, if you don't know the questions to ask a guide, or someone who's serving medicine, it's very different than seeing a psychologist.

There, again, there is, there is some effort that needs to be made before you can go have this life changing experience. And um, if I've, if I've learned anything again, as like, and I'll also add recovering type a onto my triple areas, manifesting generator, if there's anything that I've learned, it's to take my time, like slow and steady, like, again, ask why.

Ask why again, ask why one more time and then wait to make sure it feels good in your body. We are in no rush. And I tell this to people all the time, like you've made it this far without it. Things may not be great in your world. And I get that you're feeling like this could be the thing, but like you're here.

You made it this far. Like you don't need this tomorrow. You don't need to do Bufo tomorrow. You can wait. In the waiting comes some wisdom when you learn to seek it and the journey is already starting at that point. 

[01:08:39] Courtney McClure: Yep. Yep. Yeah. So much of it is in the intention and the sitting. Yeah. The mushroom trip begins way before you eat the mushroom.

Way before, like galactically. Way 

[01:08:55] Tracey Tee: before. 

[01:08:57] Courtney McClure: Yeah. So long ago and so far in the future. Like it's already, 

[01:09:04] Tracey Tee: you're there. We're there. And it's so, that's so cool. Like what a gift to be able to live on this planet. With that knowledge, you know, I say a lot of times like when you realize there's magic and you understand what magic is.

Life becomes so much more fun. Everything is delightful. You know, look at the numbers and match them up. Look at the signs that you're given every day. It's freaking amazing. And the medicine unlocks that part of us that is our over soul that is out there seeing everything in dimensions that, you know, you and I can't, can't tap into in this like conscious state.

Um, To even just get a glimpse of it on a walk on a Monday afternoon is everything. You know, it's so good. It's so fun. 

[01:09:57] Courtney McClure: It's a freaking miracle that like every single moment. Yeah. I can, it can be very easy to, um, you know, even in the midst of like for me and you and psychedelic community and having these psychedelic conversations all the time.

Like even, even for me, I am just like, I can get caught up in like the, Oh, my life is so boring. You know, I was like, Ooh, what am I doing? And, and then I remember like, Oh, M. G. I'm a psychedelic leader. Like, I'm like, I am facilitating. I'm I have the honor. Uh, and I am so grateful to be here alive. Oh, my gosh.

Like, I get this opportunity. To just see and hear and taste and just feel my skin, like there's just so many, so many crazy, awesome things. So many. 

[01:10:52] Tracey Tee: And, you know, and the beauty of micro dosing is when you hit up to those, you know, those edges of like this 3d life. And I'm like, oh, my God, you know, I can't.

Just the the monotony of this world that we're being asked to live in that it is changing, but still I've had how many arguments have I had in ceremony where I'm like, this is great, but I have to go to the grocery store tomorrow. I don't want to. I don't want to do it anymore. You know, yeah. Is that I can take a microdose on those days when I'm feeling particularly punchy or pithy or bored and I can ask in deep reverence, say, like, remind me again why this is such a gift and just 50 milligrams with a good practice.

You know, can bring me back and that's, that's amazing. 

[01:11:43] Courtney McClure: It really is. Yeah. Smell. I can just think of how a mushroom smells and I'm like, here I am. 

[01:11:52] Tracey Tee: Okay. And that's really sensitive. Yeah. About journeys. Anastasia, who's our head of facilitation and kind of heads up our education. It's amazing. We talk about this, like how.

You know, a lot of people fear that you're going to forget a journey or you're going to forget, you're going to forget. And any good teacher will tell you in that moment, like, you're not going to forget it. You can't forget it. It's, but you can't, it's so hard to trust that you won't, but there's moments where I'm just driving down the street to said grocery store and a flash of something will, from a past ceremony will just come flooding into my mind.

Not only the remembrance of it, but the message. Sometimes years later and I'll just be like, it just happened to the day I was driving. I was like, Oh, Oh, got it. Years later. And that's insane. So, I mean, you are, you're just always in it once you invite it in and it isn't this dangerous, drugged out, checked out, bypassing numbed out experience.

It is actually. Completely the opposite. It is like my heart just cracks open day after day at the wonder of it all. Mm-hmm . And my, the ability to talk to God. And you know, for me, I'm just very program. I'm like, thank, thank you. Okay. What can I do now? I mean, it's just, it's the opposite of anything that we've been told.

And then it's the opposite of any permission we've been given. 

Mm-hmm . And to, 

and then to just say yes to it all is just. It's the most fun ever. It's the best. 

[01:13:36] Courtney McClure: Yeah, it's the best. I am so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. It's really nice to be reminded of that, which the mushroom does. Such a great job of that.

Um, I'm trying to remember the term that my friend used the other day. So the weekend before last, I did a deep dive with some of my best friends, their moms and, uh, another close friend who's not a mom, but I've had. So many amazing life experiences with her and mushroom experiences. And so she was the person there that was holding space, just like not communing, making sure like we had water, like reassuring us, like, yeah, we're good.

Really great to have. Um, and yeah, my friend put it, she's a massage therapist and a personal trainer, and she used this term, which I'm blanking on now, but basically. How when we go into strength training, like it's an exercise that helps us, um, it burns like it's intense. We're, we're tearing down muscle to rebuild it and make it stronger.

And she's like, that's what mushrooms are. It's like, it's like that same thing. Like, I'm allowing myself to just like. Purge and let go of like, whatever the energy that's not serving me anymore and, um, yeah, be open to new perspectives, building new buildings on that. So it's not, it's not necessarily easy, I would say to have these amazing communions with the mushroom.

Um, but. It sure is rewarding. Amen, sister. And it can't be fun. It can't be fine. It's okay to have fun too. 

[01:15:25] Tracey Tee: Yeah, that 

[01:15:25] Courtney McClure: can 

[01:15:25] Tracey Tee: happen. That'd be great. You don't have to stop yourself if you're having a good time. Nothing is gonna, nothing is more curative than laughing, laughing and laughing with your girlfriends.

There's nothing better. Oh, so good. 

[01:15:40] Courtney McClure: Yeah. So, um, well, could you tell us a little bit more about your programs with mom? Like what y'all are opening up for the community? 

[01:15:50] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Thank you. Um, yeah. So we have this 3 and a half month course. It's kind of our foundational course of getting started. Microdosing, um, creatively called.

Course one because, okay, no matter how many shrooms I take and how many downloads I get, I cannot change the name to that course to something , whatever course, number one. Um, so it's course number one. And, uh, that's really, uh, it's, it's, we only do 10 women or last. It's inside a cohort and it's really that safe container for you to create that relationship with the medicine and create your own intentional practice while you're, you've got someone there to hold you, you can learn and you're learning with other mothers.

And I really think that the shared experience of being women, of being mothers and microdosing, it just. leaves. It just cuts through some additional barriers. So there's a level of understanding. We're going to be starting courses for mothers who are 65 plus. So because that's its own shared experience on top of it.

So we're going to be having like a golden girls cohort coming up. Um, and we run cohorts. It's evolving a little bit, but at least three times a year. Um, so there's always opportunity to hop into a course. Um, we've got two kind of evergreen courses. If you're, I imagine this audience doesn't really need it, but we have, again, like a micro dosing one on one for moms.

It's just the how, the why, the what the hell is this through the lens of being a mother? Because I do think working, as you know, working with this medicine. Is a completely different experience and a different intention when you're doing it while you're raising tiny humans. So, um, and then we have the same thing for a macro dose course, um, macro dosing and large dose journeys as well.

That really goes deep. Um, we have interviews with just real moms, not influencers or psychedelic leaders, just moms who've done journeys. And this is what happens so that you get, again, that context and you can just say, Oh, I'm like her. Maybe, you know, like it just, it just takes the temperature down on the fear barometer.

Um, and then we have the grow, which is like Facebook for moms on shrooms. It's our private community membership. It's off social media. There's no algorithms, there's no advertisements, there's no gurus. It's 2 and 22 cents a month. So I really just, that's like our service to the world. And we invite. All mothers, whether you're an experienced psycho, not like we need your voices and guidance to help support women or you're terrified, but you're, you're curious, like come into the grow and you can get questions answered.

It's got tons of resources inside of it on top of just the feed. Um, and it's a beautiful growing place and we're calling in, I'm calling in a million moms, um, cause I feel like when a million moms stand behind this medicine. It will be legal. Yes. And there will be no war like period. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. So for 2024, we're calling in 10, 000 mothers to be like the first, the first gatekeepers of, of this space in the grow and to show that we are standing on mass behind this medicine together.

And the conversations that happen there are. Fantastic. So that that's what we offer. I love it. It's all 

[01:18:59] Courtney McClure: on. Thank you. Moms on mushrooms.com. Thank you so much. Yeah, I, I just wanna like, reflect back to you how like I am, I'm truly grateful for the work that you're doing. Like truly, truly grateful. Um, Eric and I back in 2015 were arrested for underground ceremony and ended up with felonies and um, you know, thankfully we didn't have kids together.

Uh, yep. Um, but he had his older kids and I mean, that was the worst experience of my life. I grew up very straight edge. I was a competitive ice skater and I was very like, focus on doing anything that could help me grow, um, as a person, be a better person. And that, that was my practice with mushrooms. At the time, and I was just baffled.

How is this happening to me? Like, how is this happening? I like, this is so healthy for me. This is so healthy for the people we're working with. And now, like, we're on house arrest. Like, this is twisted. Like, come on. Gosh. So, and you know, as with Most, um, really hard experiences in life. I look back and I'm like, okay, like that was a good thing.

I'm glad that happened for all kinds of reasons. It led us to where we, where we are now, but such a big part of, so where we are now with the church and being able to call upon the first amendment right that we have, uh, to practice with our spiritual practice authentically, sincerely. Is being able to prove that it's safe and that we're not, we're not harming ourselves.

We're not harming others in this practice. And so doing the work that you are doing and building this community and educating our people of the world. Like it cannot be underestimated doing what you have done gone on. Dr. Phil, like I saw that, like, I can't even imagine 

[01:20:54] Tracey Tee: it was absolutely the biggest trip of my life.

That was the most psychedelic thing I've ever done. I bet. Thank you for taking that trip. 

[01:21:05] Courtney McClure: But it's so like, it's so like, there's the spectrum of it. Like it's, you know, it's fun and it's a trip and like, and it's. So freaking awesome. And I'm just so grateful. So from the bottom of my heart, like, thank you for showing up in this work and, and doing it, like, I know there's all kinds of challenges along the way.

Um, so just thank you for persisting and working through that. 

[01:21:29] Tracey Tee: It's an honor. And, you know, I'll reflect back if you hadn't taken the brave step and gotten arrested in 2015, I would never be here. So I am acutely aware of the women, the thousands, hundreds of thousands of women who have worked with this medicine long before I ever took a camping trip in Boulder, Colorado, and, um, I would not be here without you.

So thank you. 

[01:21:54] Courtney McClure: Thank you. I appreciate that. This has been such a good conversation. I'm really looking forward to, um, all our listeners hearing it. And yeah, maybe we can talk again and catch up in the future 100%. I would love that. Me too. Thank you. Tracey.