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[00:00:00] Dawn Fable: Hi everyone and welcome to Hot Flash Health, the podcast where we are shattering the stigmas around menopause. Really encouraging everyone to embrace your inner queen age and not accepting the fact that we need to feel miserable during this very transformative hormonal health journey in our life. So I am so proud and honored and humbled to introduce a very dear friend of mine, Tracey Tee, the founder of Moms on Mushrooms.
Tracey is not only incredibly inspirational, but she has a myriad of experience in her background. She curated a. comedy show. So is a comedian. She had a very successful women's media company, and most recently she has set out on this extraordinary vision to help educate, empower moms, understand the power of plant based medicine.
Tracey , welcome. This, the universe works in such crazy ways in that you and I were connected many years ago after I stalked you and said I have to know and be a part of what you're doing and here we are today. So
[00:01:20] Tracey Tee: here we are. I love it. And I love you. I'm so happy to be here.
[00:01:25] Dawn Fable: Thank you. So Tracey has gone on to do some incredible things.
I knew the moment I met you, you were on to something big and it was so purpose driven. I have tuned in to your Dr. Phil. She's been on Good Morning America. You've been on the Piers Morgan. You've been featured in Rolling Stones and Fox News. Really talking about what you are setting out to do. So tell us about Moms on Mushrooms.
[00:01:53] Tracey Tee: Yeah, thank you. Yeah, Mom's on Mushrooms came to me in meditation, actually. It just dropped in my head while I was meditating. I wasn't even on Mushrooms, M O M, Mom's on Mushrooms. And I sat up and I thought, that's genius. Certainly someone has thought about this. And apparently no one had. And this set forth.
Many months of me essentially lying on the floor begging God to find anyone else to bring psychedelics to moms but me. And this was obviously part of my own personal journey which actually started I really got kicked into high gear when I went into surgical menopause after having a full hysterectomy and I really credit that transition, which is so abrupt and so insane and I was 41 and walked into a hospital with hormones and left with hot flashes within 24 hours, but really started my high trajectory spiritual path and which then eventually led me as it does with many people to just Trying out plant medicine, which I found psilocybin magic mushrooms to be incredibly supportive in the palpable loss of my own comedy show in 2020 with the lockdowns and everything that happened and losing a business that I had worked so hard to co create.
Navigating the anxiety and the fear of telling a third grader about a pandemic and why she can't go to school and all of the insanity that ensued that has ensued for the last four years the mushrooms just came knocking on my door. And when I finally said yes, I just. Felt my life changed dramatically and it has changed dramatically.
And one thing that I was really shown was that this medicine is here. I believe to help moms in particular, Western moms get through this sort of general, I almost want to say curse of unhappiness that's plagues most mothers. And in modern Western mothers right now, we're in a, we're in a bit of a pickle.
emotionally, mentally, spiritually, physically, all the things. And I think this medicine is a great conduit to get moms not only reconnecting with themselves and their intuition and their knowing of who they are, but also to bring them together in community so that we can start to actually build the communities and tribes that we're so craving that we need to help.
each other raise our kids. And so mom is just a big melting pot for that effort. We have an online community, a private membership that's like Facebook for moms on shrooms. And we do online courses. We have a foundational three and a half month. course that's not necessarily about how to microdose, but more how to create an intentional microdosing practice, like a lifelong relationship with this medicine, because our culture does not offer any context about what it means to work with sacred plant medicines or entheogenic medicines.
And then we have some really basic, like one on one courses. If you just want to learn about microdosing. Or even taking larger dose journeys and you don't want to follow hashtag psilocybin on Instagram, which is a terrible idea and please, and if you Google it, it's even scarier. So I just said, what would a mom want to know about psychedelics if she doesn't know anything?
And I was that mom. I didn't do drugs until I was in my mid forties and here we are. And.
is and how we got started.
[00:05:26] Dawn Fable: Thank you. And you have such an interesting calling and you have always been so purpose driven because when you had the pump and dump show, that was really you seeking out to fill people's buckets, right? Make. Women laugh, make mothers laugh in a very stressful time in their lives.
And it's interesting how that, just the person you are, evolved into creating mom. I read a Rolling Stone article about you that was so compelling where you quoted, you said, we need to wake up and be present. It's not just mommy's little helper. We don't need a helper. We need grounding and we need connection.
And that really spoke to me. So you have a number of different elements with mom of what you're setting out to do. I know one of them is really de stigmatizing the power of psychedelics.
So we can find that connection with one another. Tell us what you're seeing out there in our society with that stigma.
[00:06:31] Tracey Tee: Yeah, it's interesting. I think the knee jerk and the sort of fascination if there is one with moms on mushrooms is the idea that there's a bunch of mothers doing drugs, right? And the instant correlation is that it's mommy's little helper. And I didn't realize how irritating that phrase is to me until I was in this position.
And first of all when you work with, I'll just only talk about magic mushrooms from now on, because that's really what we're focusing on in this moment with mom, although we're starting to branch off into other psychedelics, people are ready, but you actually, you couldn't be more present than when you microdosed.
magic mushrooms. It doesn't numb you out at all. And what I've realized is that through the course of history, starting from chloroforming mothers while they give birth so that they're not even here, they're not even present to the birth of the child that's coming out of them all the way to, The obligatory bridge club or the afternoon martini or the mommy play date in the wine or let's just have her take some Valium because she's a little bit sad and maybe she's depressed.
There's always been this sort of pathetic. understanding that moms are generally having a hard time and society has let us like do a little bit, but it's never actually to heal. And so what I think is interesting about this medicine is that it's. It's not band aiding anything, if anything, it's illuminating all of the shit and the dark and the struggle that we haven't released or even acknowledged.
And it's saying, okay, it's time to figure this out and get honest, not only with ourselves but with each other. And so I don't like the Mommy's Little Helper comparison because it's not that, it's something much bigger and much more expansive and much more healing.
[00:08:32] Dawn Fable: And you're right. You and I have had personal conversations about how it's been acceptable for moms to drown themselves in bottles of Kim Crawford.
And it's acceptable to just have physicians prescribe, prescribe SSRIs or anti anxiety medication. It's acceptable to take a Valium. It's acceptable to take a gummy or something like that. But why? Is it not acceptable for this plant based medicine that is really going to allow you to dig deeper to understand some of your core sort of childhood wounds, if you will, and connect with that to be a more present human being, right?
So I've Tracey 's community and I will speak and advocate for it all day long where you have really brought people of all different walks of life to educate, to empower, to share personal experiences, and really advocate for this type of plant. based medicine because we as women and especially mothers are feeling so much guilt and so much shame and so much of that unhappiness.
You also do a really great job of talking about the misconceptions of psilocybin with magic mushrooms. Can you talk about some of the most common misconceptions that one might have with them?
[00:09:54] Tracey Tee: Yeah, and I'm not sure I completely answered your first question, but I can answer it now, which is the reason that I believe that there's stigma is because of misinformation.
We were doing groundbreaking research in the 50s, groundbreaking research from scientists and doctors who were almost becoming like, evangelized around psychedelics for what it was doing. They were watching like lifelong, the skid row alcoholics after one large dose journey, walk away, never drinking again, and also never having the desire to drink.
Like the effects that this can have in rewiring our neural pathways. And really changing, and I believe that there is a lot of science and brain science that happens with shrooms, but also there's a lot of energetic spiritual things that I think happen as well. When all of that got shut down by the government, and who knows why, but A conspiracy theory could be offered that there was too much healing happen happening and we can't keep a population sick and a lot of people making money if we take our own healing, our own sovereignty, our health and spiritual sovereignty into our own hands.
by something that grows up from the earth that basically anyone can grow. So it was all shut down and thus started a campaign of misinformation by our government for over 50 years, fear mongering this to the point of mania and lying about what mushrooms or psychedelics really do. Now, this was not helped.
by the 60s and 70s, dropping LSD tablets from planes, music concerts, not a good idea, doesn't bode well for the movement. And a lot of people took advantage and took too many drugs. And we know those things to be true. We in this process, we lost any context of like actually what psychedelics do. So what are some misnomers?
That, that psilocybin, which is the psychoactive, one of the psychoactive compounds in, in a magic mushroom. So psilocybin actually transmutes or metabolizes into psilocin when you ingest it. And it's psilocin that causes the hallucinogenic psychoactive properties in your body. So one is that, okay, this is toxic.
It's a toxic drug. It's not. The Lancet put out an amazing study, I think it was in 2020, that ranked drugs by toxicity, danger to oneself, and danger to others. And it's, look it up. The Guardian actually wrote a good article about it and made a really great graph. If you look it up. Alcohol is the number one most toxic and most dangerous drug out there, more than cocaine and psilocybin is, I think, second or last on the list.
So our understanding of this, we have decided that it's something that your brain, it will fry your brain. But what it really can do is heal your brain, and it obviously needs to be taken within context of your own mental illness. There's things to consider, and nothing should be abused. And I think that was the other problem, is that we took one good thing, and as Americans typically like to do, we just said, more is more.
And abuse happened, and we saw the worst. applications, right? Like you can obviously cause harm to yourself and others. If you take three grams of mushrooms and get in a car, you're not going to be able to see the road. You will probably kill someone or yourself. Like those are bad things that you shouldn't do.
But on the other hand, we are not looking at the beneficial properties of it. So I could go on and on if you want to ask questions of like specifics, but
[00:13:40] Dawn Fable: I love you. You just challenged the shit out of everyone. You are so knowledgeable in this and so passionate, right? And you have a Black book, if you will, of women and mothers who have had incredible transformative experiences because they have been educated and had the opportunity to experience this in their life.
There's a difference and for a lot of our listeners, people probably don't know what the difference between micro dosing and macro dosing is. Can you share with us what is micro dosing and what is macro dosing and the use cases of both of those?
[00:14:19] Tracey Tee: Totally. We'll start with macro dosing or a large dose journey, a hallucinogenic dose of people when you think of psych psychedelics or psilocybin, you think of seeing patterns on the walls, rainbows and unicorns in the sky, tasting music, hearing color, all of those things, body shift happens when you ingest between roughly I would say two grams, you could even start with a gram, you start feeling the psychedelic effects around, let's say one gram up.
Typically when people do a large dose journey, especially if it's guided, it's being served by a practitioner, that's usually in the three to three and a half gram range. Okay. So that's a large dose. A micro dose is at least one 10th of a large dose amount. Okay. So one 10th to one 20th of an amount. So where you might start feeling hallucinogenic effects at one gram, a microdose typically starts around 50 milligrams.
So a tiny sub perceptual or sub hallucinogenic dose. And the theory around it is that taking small doses consistently with integration days over time and having that medicine in your body could, and this, I'm the first to admit there is very little science on it because it's very hard to do a, like a longitudinal study on microdosing factors.
But if taken over time and. small doses, you essentially achieve the same effect of taking a large dose in an afternoon over the course of six or seven hours. And because the medicine is still allowing you to rewire your neural pathways and work with your brain so that you are illuminating negative behavior and given the opportunity.
Let's say by way of slowing down the autobahn of your brain you're given the opportunity to change those negative behaviors in real time and Imagine if your brain is like a bunch of ski slopes that you ski every single time the trail exactly You're allowing yourself to venture off into new fresh powder and create a better way down the mountain
[00:16:41] Dawn Fable: and that's what a microdose does Yeah, I love that and speaking from experience who's been one who is a huge advocate and has been microdosing for me Although it's different for every individual Based on what you're going through at that moment of your life or if you're on any sort of SSRIs or anti anxiety For me, it's allowed me an opportunity to be more present in the moments.
It's also allowed more creativity in my life. These aren't huge noticeable changes, right? It's not like earth shattering, life changing. But you notice these very subtle effects where I almost feel like it allows you to be happier. You're almost giving yourself the permission to be happier, but I'm curious and all of the women that you have helped educate on this and they have embraced their own journey.
What are some of the most common things that people are seeing when they do start to microdose in their lives?
[00:17:45] Tracey Tee: Yeah, I think you, you nailed some of the big ones. Presence is a big one, and we live in a very distracted society, and we're in a very heavily medicated society. We're a very toxic society right now.
And, For whatever reason, we can call it anecdotally, but people who microdose tend to find that their focus comes back and they are less triggered from external things, their external stimuli, and you're less activated by it. So then you can just easily drop in and you're not. battling the distraction, nor are you battling yourself and maybe just, I have to keep going on to the next thing.
It's all the hippie things come into truth, right? You're just like, Hey man, that's cool. Yeah. Let's sit down and play Legos with my kid. No big deal. For me, I say it always, it like softens the freight edges. And moms have a lot of frayed edges, right? Like we're very, if one extra stimuli touches that one nerve, forget it.
And it just softens that. Creativity is a huge one. We talk to women and there's the, there's a kind of like big C creativity, right? Like women are. I started painting again. I'm playing my guitar again. I'm writing songs. I'm, I took a, I enrolled in a writing class, like really like outwardly creative things.
But what we also forget with creativity is that also comes not only into business or into your job, but creative problem solving and just looking at something from a different perspective because you're really allowed. It really helps you zoom out and emotionally detached from the circumstance so that you can just see all sides.
A lot of women, they want to feel less triggered by their children. That is very common. Patience is something that comes in a lot. Most women say on some level, whatever it means for them, like a deeper sense of spiritual connection. A blower connection to nature on when you pay attention to the trees and you stop to smell the roses and you actually understand what that means like life just starts to become a little bit more magical and then you share that with your Children and then your Children are happier and when your Children are happier, you're less triggered and when you're less triggered, everything just flows better.
So it's just this like self fulfilling prophecy and it just I think it's just It's caused by whatever happens in the brain of just slowing all that down and just focusing on the big things that are right in front of you.
[00:20:10] Dawn Fable: At Hot Flash Health, we're really trying to empower women who are perimenopausal or menopausal going through that hormonal health journey.
And being a 46 year old woman who is smack dab in the middle of it, there's so much. that happens during this time. Our sexual well being is compromised. There's a lack of libido there. We're experiencing and certainly an increase in depression anxiety because of a number of things that are happening in our life cycle.
There's hormonal impacts, also as a middle aged woman, it's a very cool time because it's almost this awakening of the next chapter of our lives. And so I feel like there's a tremendous parallel between what you've just explained and what we as middle aged women who are embracing that awaking or pivotal time and really finding ourselves again.
Because oftentimes as aging women, we're losing our purpose as our children are getting older. Many of us have left our careers to be a mother. Our social circles and relationships are changing. We're taking on different roles with our parents. And so that really encompasses this, Who are we? Who am I?
Because the person who I thought I was for 45 years, all of a sudden I have no fucking idea who I am. She's
[00:21:33] Tracey Tee: not, you're not her anymore. She left. She left the building.
[00:21:37] Dawn Fable: Yeah. So I really appreciate what you're doing because not only are we struggling with that, But you're providing education and information on how we can further open up that pathway.
So thank you.
[00:21:50] Tracey Tee: The energetics and the spiritual part come of it. Because when you start looking at all your changes, you have two choices, right? And women, menopause, I believe is a deeply spiritual transformation. I wish we could do it all over and I think women like you, thank you, are approaching it from this more empowered place instead of like this withering flower and just watch the rest of your life float down the river.
But when you start to ask those questions and when you start to witness those changes, like your body's changing, your desires are changing, your friends are changing, like you said, even just one glass of wine feels different in your body. So even your social outlets and what you used to do to have fun.
Music is louder, more irritating. It sucks. And it's also beautiful. So you have two choices. You can say you can fight it and be grumpy and mad and just live in the past and think of how the dog days are gone. Or you can say what's next and what lies ahead of me. But that's real scary because there's not a lot of people out there like you who are saying, Hey, mid forties, woman, you've got another half century to do whatever you want.
And look how smart you are. You've already made a shit ton of mistakes. Look at all the things you've learned that you can apply now. And I started actually. I think around like 40, I'm 48. So like maybe a 45, I just started doubling when I had my birthday, I just started doubling my life. So like when I turned 45, I'm like, Oh, I have another 45 years to go.
And half of that was spent in childhood and not knowing and having the power to do anything. And now I've got 45 years to do, I can reinvent myself another 10 times. And I think that's where the medicine really comes in and helps. Open your heart and that's where the energetics are. Psychedelics are really like a heart medicine, especially psilocybin.
And we have grown up to protect our hearts so much. Thank God for Brene Brown and bringing vulnerability into the chat. But when you let your heart open and you start living from a heart space, instead of just all in your brain, and you allow yourself to let go of that past that's leaving, then have a lot of existential questions and you have a lot of things that you can do different.
But, it's a hard transition. That's what I'm trying to say.
[00:24:04] Dawn Fable: Yeah, but if we embrace it, and if we have tools like what you're offering, and if people are actually more vulnerable, then perhaps there might be a shift because God knows that we need it. This world that we're living in is fucked up and it's terrifying for our children.
So if there's just more moms on mushrooms, and I know that's been your, when you and I were speaking. On a regular basis, you've been very high demand of speaking on different panels and really talking to people and you've been very involved in making legislative changes and really advocating for that and educating people around the power of this versus SRIs prescribe.
What, in your opinion, would happen if more moms were on Mushroom?
[00:24:51] Tracey Tee: Oh, it's, there'd be no war. My vision I think I'm, I've shared this with you, but my vision for mom is that a million moms stand behind this medicine. I think if a million mothers stand behind psychedelic medicine for mental health and healing.
If a million moms come out and say, this is what she looks like, right? Like she's not dancing, tripped out of her mind in the mud at Burning Man. She's wearing sweatshirts from Target and she's cooking dinner and she's watching Gossip Girl. This is who she is and she's healing. If we get a million moms to stand behind it and say, we're not okay with being.
handed mommy's little helper anymore. We're not okay with settling for a life that is less than what we know is true. We're not okay with stifling our voices. If mothers do that. So how can we help do that? The first and foremost, I think is recognizing that we are at a moment in history where. We as women and as mothers have a real chance to change the narrative of everything, right?
We have, you are changing the narrative of menopause. We are changing, we talk about words like trauma healing and ancestral healing and lineage healing and womb healing. Lots of healing happening in the world right now and women are at the forefront of that because we have a lot of trauma that goes back to Hundreds, thousands of years.
I think just making the choice to change and actually taking a long look in the mirror and looking at yourself and saying, I know what my soul, I'm recognizing what my soul wants and I want to meet. I want to rise to that level. And if psychedelics are calling to you before you sign a change. org petition or something, create your own intentional relationship with the medicine, learn what it means and bring some sacredness and ceremony back into your life.
And which is a lot of unlearning the allopathic medicine that we've been taught, which is trusting. Again, it goes back to trusting your intuition, listening to your body, being in touch with your body. being in touch with your soul. And until we get to that, we're not going to have a million moms stand behind the medicine.
We got to do the healing part first. And from my little corner of the world, I think shrooms can help, but there's a lot of other, there's a lot of other amazing ways that you can heal and that you can expand. But it's just taking that, that one step and actually saying, I want to change. And I'm willing to do what it takes to make that change happen, which is oftentimes involves a lot of just like deep uncomfortability for a long time while you work through stuff.
And then letting change happen which is why menopause is so hard for people, right? You're watching your body morph into something you don't recognize, and there's not a lot you can do about it, I was
[00:27:44] Dawn Fable: just about to say there's no control, right? There's no control. Having struggled with generalized anxiety disorder for my entire life, the reason I struggled with that is because I cannot control it.
control it. The same thing with menopause. It's going to happen to 100 percent of us women. We do not control what is happening. And I think that's really difficult for women to navigate through. You talk, obviously we have a huge mental health pandemic and we have for many years. It's on the forefront and people are talking about it more, which is refreshing.
There's been, in my understanding of psilocybin and magic mushrooms, there's been research around anxiety and PTSD and depression and that sort of thing. As women and as moms who are so predisposed to that because of what's happening in our lives, what have you seen with your community and moms in terms of anxiety and depression and this medicine really helping in that regard?
[00:28:46] Tracey Tee: That's a loaded question. We see a lot of change, but it's not just the shrooms, right? Step one, I would say 90 percent of the women who come through our community are taking one, if not several, prescribed medications. A couple of those are not even sure what they do or why they're taking them. That's just the truth.
There's zero, and prescribe with a side dish of fear. So if you don't take this, we don't know what's going to happen to you. And you're in such a level of distress that you can't afford to not know what's going to happen to you because you've got to keep your shit together. So no judgment.
And then we've gaslighted ourselves into saying that negative side effects are like part of the deal. Okay, I'm taking this and it's helping this, but now I can't sleep. All right, so then we add a sleep medication and just layer and layer. And it starts to just weave this web. So step one is like really taking a whole look at your holistic health and saying, what do I need?
What don't I need? And why am I putting this in my body? And we are a passive society, right? Like we, we are miraculously entitled and fortunate here in the West that we can grab just about anything legally and it will fix something that isn't feeling good for us, right? We have a headache. We take an Advil.
You just sit back and you wait for 20 to 30 minutes and the headache is gone. That's amazing, but what it's made is very non sovereign people because we don't want to work at anything. Yeah, it's like instant
[00:30:12] Dawn Fable: gratification. It's like Amazon. My kids just think you push a button and something's going to show up, same as the Advil.
[00:30:17] Tracey Tee: So then when we, and we've also been taught that pain is bad, and I've learned this just because I've had so many surgeries with all my own reproductive problems. You're taught that any sort of pain is bad, and certainly when you're healing from surgery, it is bad. You need to stay ahead of pain to heal.
When you go to a doctor and you say, I have this one pain. The immediate action is to remedy the pain, but not the issue. So we have to get under the root of all of that. So when you're talking about anxiety, depression, you have to really look at it from a 360, from a multi dimensional view, and say, what am I putting into my body?
What are the prescriptions that I'm taking actually doing? What would it feel like if I titrated off one of those? What is it that I want in my life? And how willing, how hard am I willing to work to get there and that's and then unlearn that if you don't feel great for a number of weeks or even months, that doesn't mean there's something wrong with you.
It means you're healing and you're working through it. And women, especially, we're not told. That we can do hard things. We're not told that we can be sad for an extended period of time. We don't like hysterical women in this culture. We don't give ourselves
[00:31:35] Dawn Fable: permission to do that. We don't like, we don't like our friends.
[00:31:39] Tracey Tee: Yeah, no. It's all of us. A sad woman, a depressed woman, an angry woman, she can't be like that. So you're really bucking the trend of society if you just decide you're going to let yourself be sad until you can get to the root of it. So when you ask, what have I seen for microdosing anxiety? It's dependent on so many.
If you can check even 60 percent of those boxes, even 40 percent of those boxes, like change will happen. And that's where, and again, microdosing is just a really gentle helper in that process. It's not the number one fixer. It's not going to fix anything if you're not willing to do the work. I always say that.
We all have to climb over the fence, right? The fence of our anxiety, the fence of our depression, the fence of our rage, or our trauma. We have to climb over it ourselves. And the mushrooms are just underneath you, just pushing your butt up over the fence, what they do.
[00:32:30] Dawn Fable: Totally. So many of us in menopause or perimenopause are struggling with our libido, right?
The sex drive. In your experience, have you seen mushrooms have an effect on that?
[00:32:42] Tracey Tee: Yes, I would say they're mushrooms are great for Oregon. Yeah, it's the mind body connection, right? It's the connection to feeling your body being in your body, not and you're not like, okay,
[00:32:56] Dawn Fable: is this going to be done? Two seconds and out pal.
Come on.
[00:32:59] Tracey Tee: Yeah, like actually appreciating pleasure and yeah, and the impatience part, so that goes into self loathing or body dysmorphia or hating yourself. And if you can heal that stuff, yeah, then it does, it helps elevate sex drive. Now, from a physiological standpoint, there's not enough studies done in terms of the decline in estrogen or testosterone or progesterone and does psilocybin have any effect on actual hormonal levels?
It's inconclusive and probably not. What it will do is help your serotonin receptors, it'll help your, level out your dopamine, it'll help regulate serotonin and dopamine, serotonin specifically, so that you're in a better mindset. And again, like one of the big things that people feel when they start microdosing is they're, they actually feel themselves in their bodies, so a big thing that happens when people start microdosing is, especially for mothers, is there's, they get really, you get really tired for two or even four weeks, so tired, you just want to take the longest nap of your life and that's because you are actually, Really tired in your real life and your brain is finally talking to your body and they're finally communicating for the first time, maybe ever.
And your brain is finally hearing the message that your body has been trying to send that mama is tired and she needs to lay down and take a nap. But then the crazy loop is that you punish yourself for feeling tired or punish yourself for taking a nap. And then you blame the medicine for what just.
Years of compounded exhaustion has done to you. I don't know. It's a really long answer to your question
[00:34:39] Dawn Fable: Yeah, and I want to preface this by saying first and foremost Tracey knows an awful lot about this and is extremely knowledgeable But she's not a doctor. Yeah, not a doctor. Tracey 's not a doctor She's simply educating and empowering around this plant based medicine in her community I think Every individual needs to figure out what's a safe place for them.
Listen to that. So I just wanted to throw that disclaimer out there. When I talk about my experience with micro dosing, the first question people ask, is it legal?
[00:35:14] Tracey Tee: Yeah. No, it's not. It's not legal. It's not federally legal. In the state of Colorado, it's decriminalized statewide, which means you can gift it, you can gather it, you can grow it.
Will be, God willing, in 2025, additional layers of Prop 122 that passed here that will allow certain practitioners to be able to administer psilocybin, but we're a long ways from it being legal. And right now. There are many cities across the country, there's a lot of cities in Michigan, Massachusetts, Oregon, a couple in California that have decriminalized it so that we're basically taking it off law enforcement's top list of things to incarcerate people for, which allows, I think, is a really beautiful way to allow us as like voters and citizens to integrate Thank you.
a new, like legal ish medicine into our society and kind of figure out how that feels without passing major policy and then commodifying it and then now all of a sudden there's like psychedelic dispensaries on every street corner, which could be a problem. It'd be a big problem.
[00:36:24] Dawn Fable: Yeah. Yeah. There's a problem looking at what happened with cannabis and there's no regulation in this.
Yeah. At this point in time, which can be a slippery slope.
[00:36:32] Tracey Tee: Yeah, because again, it's, commodification is interesting because in commercialization, because you're basically just saying, and this is what we did with alcohol. It's the more is more thing. And if we just allow the market to be flooded with any Joe who wants to just sell shrooms in a bottle, and we don't actually have education.
And we don't create respect for the medicine. We don't understand what it does. We don't understand the science. We don't take the time to learn that, which is what mom are. One of our number one missions is just empower people with knowledge. I actually could care less if you take shrooms or not, that's a totally personal decision, like you're saying.
And yes, I'm not a doctor. But you should learn about it. You should learn the ins and outs, and you should educate yourself and make an informed decision. And if we move too fast with the laws, even though I would love for it to be legal, and I think it should be, it could, just knowing how our country does things, and learning from cannabis, it's just too much, too soon, too fast, too big, too strong.
And then you do get, you can get in trouble. A lot of us don't want.
[00:37:33] Dawn Fable: Yeah, no, absolutely. You are so incredible for what you're doing. I would love for you to share. Some of the options if someone wants to get involved in MOM. What is available to mothers out there who want to learn and be a part of your community?
[00:37:51] Tracey Tee: Yeah. First, you can just find us at momsonmushrooms. com. That's the best. It's all listed there. We do have a private membership community. It's 2 a month. And that was really created to just let moms start talking to each other. I don't think that we need a guru, certainly not me, telling people. how to take it.
I think we can just talk and learn from each other's experiences. So think of it like Facebook for moms on shrooms and all day people just post, ask questions, and really learn from each other using the shared experience of motherhood is our one commonality besides an interest in medicine. And so even if you have.
No concept, and you're not sure if you even want to try it, but you just want to see what other people are doing. That's really what our community is for. Knowledge is power. Knowledge is
[00:38:37] Dawn Fable: always power. Whether it's right for you, perhaps you could share with what you've learned with someone who may be needing it.
[00:38:46] Tracey Tee: Yeah, 100 percent and people do all the time. And then we have just informational courses to just spell it out for you. The how, the why, what the hell is microdosing. We have those just like instant download courses. And then we have, if you're ready to get going and you want a safe and supportive environment, we have a three and a half month course that we're really.
That's in a small cohort of 10 women or less. They'll really hold space for you. And so that you can create that relationship with the medicine, an intentional relationship, and you know how it feels in your body. You learn why you want to work with it. You start to trust your intuition again. And we're just helping you out and cheerleading you.
And you're learning alongside other mothers who are starting at the same place as you. And there's just So much value in sharing your own experience and then hearing other people's experiences. And we just, we don't get to do that a lot with a lot, certainly not in the medical world. And that's what
[00:39:36] Dawn Fable: we
[00:39:36] Tracey Tee: offer.
[00:39:37] Dawn Fable: And you're creating a safe space to do to share those vulnerabilities and the connection that I would imagine women are coming out of that with. You're creating lifelong friendships. I
[00:39:47] Tracey Tee: hope so. Yeah, I hope so. I think we're all, I think we're all, I'm really seeing an uptick in real deep desire for people to gather in person again.
I'm seeing it a lot this year. I don't know if it's, we're just shaking off all of the COVID trauma, or we're just turning a corner as a collective. And we're just like, Oh, people, we're mammals and we're supposed to be together, finding value in that. And yeah, if you can connect over a shared respect and.
Love of psychedelics. So be it.
[00:40:20] Dawn Fable: So what's next? What's next for Tracey T and mom?
[00:40:24] Tracey Tee: We're just we've grown pretty fast in the last two years. This last year has been like I barely remember it So we're just trying to really listen to our community and be of service to moms and give our community what they're asking for us That's a lot of what my team it's what we ask ourselves like every day and then I really want to have dads on mushrooms Soon, very soon, because, as
[00:40:47] Dawn Fable: you should, because dads on mushrooms are way more fun to live with.
[00:40:52] Tracey Tee: And women are hurting, but we're all hurting.
[00:40:55] Dawn Fable: They've got their
[00:40:56] Tracey Tee: own
[00:40:57] Dawn Fable: shit to deal with.
[00:40:58] Tracey Tee: Amen.
[00:41:00] Dawn Fable: You have something so powerful on your website that I hope each and one of you not only go to the moms on mushrooms website, but I'm going to recite it. And I know you, and I know you wrote this. Mothers who value communication, vulnerability, courage, and love and who are willing to weave it into every fiber of their lives.
Mothers willing to raise our children in a new way that is detached from toxic, patriarchal, corporate, and religious dogma. Mothers facing their trauma and letting it go for good. Mothers detached from fear. Mothers who want to live free. Those are big exclamations, I know, but the good news is we can start small.
All it takes is you, me, and a few other amazing, confused, broken, powerful, intelligent, funny, soulful, grieving, curious, open hearted moms gathering to learn and talk it out with love at the center of things. You are a beautiful human being and what you have created is beautiful. So I am so grateful that our paths crossed.
I'm so grateful that you finally took my phone call after I called you and emailed you 12 times and said I have to understand and I have to be a part of what you're doing. So it is my honor and my privilege To share with whoever is listening the beautiful Tracey T and what she's created and Mama Mushrooms.
Oh
[00:42:46] Tracey Tee: thank you for seeing me
[00:42:49] Dawn Fable: You've changed my life. Oh, you have changed my life in so many ways and through what I've learned from you, I feel that I've been able to transform or at least explore curiosity of what you're doing and Just start small as you said. So I love you my friend. I'm proud of you.
[00:43:08] Tracey Tee: You were right there along the way, but thank you.
Thank you for seeing me and seeing mom and thank you for stepping into the ring with your own gifts too.
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