Nicole and Megan Michelena sit down with Tracey Tee, founder of Moms on Mushrooms (M.O.M.), for a powerful conversation on the transformative role of psychedelics in motherhood.
In this episode of Zenchronicity, Tracey opens up about
her personal journey with psilocybin and how microdosing has profoundly impacted her physical, emotional, and spiritual well-being. She shares insights on how psychedelics can enhance mental clarity, creativity, and deep emotional healing—especially for moms navigating the demands of motherhood.
Together, they explore the power of community, the challenges of breaking societal norms, and the importance of destigmatizing plant medicine for mothers. Tune in as they dive into the world of mindful microdosing, conscious healing, and the path to a more connected, empowered motherhood.
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[00:01:00] Nicole Michelena: Thanks, bud. Welcome. And thanks for being here. Hi, and welcome back to Zenchronicity podcast season two. We're so excited to be here. I'm your host, Nicole.
[00:01:11] Megan Michelena: And I'm Megan.
[00:01:12] Nicole Michelena: And our guest today is. Oh, man, what a treat. Um, she is going to introduce herself, but we have already been talking for quite some time prior to hitting record. And, um, yeah, so buckle up and, uh, without further ado, here she is.
[00:01:29] Tracey Tee: Hello, my name is Tracy Tee,
and I am the founder and steward of Moms on Mushrooms, which is a, uh, online platform and digital community with the mission to bring mothers, uh, together around the sacred use of plant medicines, specifically psilocybin and specifically microdosing to start.
And I'm so happy to be here.
[00:01:55] Nicole Michelena: We're so excited to have Tracy on because, well, um, talk about alignment. We were talking earlier, she works specifically with moms. Um, and we sometimes have to turn moms away because they want to look for just a mom community in our own groups. And, um, so we've actually, I was telling her, I've been referring people to her like, hey, go, go see Tracy.
I haven't had a clue. Conversation with her yet, but what she's doing is all about moms and we love that and you know There needs to be support for moms because so many moms don't have the support system they need and I think that that is a huge part of this movement of rising of the divine feminine is moms you coming together women coming together and becoming Um, a community again, instead of being broken apart and thinking that they can do it all.
Yeah,
[00:02:48] Megan Michelena: and we were actually talking a little bit before this and there was a huge question and she didn't answer it for for us and I'm in areas and very impatient and I want to know her response. Um, but. Women that are pregnant using psilocybin, there is no studies done. And I know in my own field and in my own body that I would do it pregnant, right, or wrong, or in between it, there's no negative feelings that I have, and I'm very in touch with my body.
So I. Trend to trust that more than I trust the internet or somebody in a white lab coat that claims to know things. And I, you know, I know indigenous tribes use ayahuasca and different methods when pregnant. So, and being somebody that works with moms, we asked her the question, you know, what are her feelings and thoughts on this?
And then she was like, she has this on the podcast. So I love that this is a subject. That, um, you know more about it than we do and I, we both want to hear and I think our listeners will too, you know, thoughts, feelings, all of the things. So Tracy, please.
[00:03:53] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Well, thank you. Um, first of all, thank you for bringing moms into the conversation with psychedelics.
I think a lot of, um, Yes, moms need community. Yes, moms are broken. But also, yes, moms are the bridge to bringing this medicine into, into our culture, like in a meaningful way. We have the opportunity to fix both sides. We have the opportunity to bridge the past and the future, right? The opportunity, uh, if moms work with this medicine and heal and come back to a place of wholeness and happiness and sovereignty, we heal.
Finally, the generations, these lineages, we talk about this patriarchy we speak of, we unlearn and we release all of that. And we come into our own in this divine feminine rising space. And then we raise children. With the respect and knowledge around this medicine, we raise them in an expanded way, um, not to fear something that can broaden their horizons and not to abuse it.
And my prayer is that we also in that we bring holiness back into our lives in a meaningful way that isn't based around dogma or a system, but true holiness connection to the divine and mothers stand right in the middle of that. Um, so thank you for bringing the conversation in and, and in terms of, uh, microdosing while pregnant, you're right.
I, there isn't a lot of research and I actually don't know more than you because there's nothing to read. There's nothing to like, you know, and it's, this is the common, the most, some of the most common questions I get are, you know, microdosing when pregnant, microdosing when breastfeeding, and how can this help paramenopause and menopause?
And
why would anyone do any research about that? You know, God forbid we take a hot second to just devote to the myriad of women's health issues that, you know, we, we can intuitively feel that psychedelics might play a positive role in and, uh, it's not there. So my answer to microdosing when pregnant.
When I'm at conferences or have any opportunity to speak to a doctor, there are scientists that works in the space. I corner them and I ask that exact question.
And then I'm like,
why don't you do any research? You know? And they're like, go find the funding. I'm like, that's it's on me. It's on me to do it.
Okay. All right. I'll do it. Um, You're like, watch me.
Watch me. I'm an Aries. Watch
me. Yeah. Can you put it on a credit card here? Um, uh, what I've been told anecdotally, and this also applies to breastfeeding to probably more to breastfeeding, um, because in utero, there are some nuances that might be concerning to people, um, is that if we are prescribing SSRIs, and other serotonin related pharmaceutical drugs.
If we're prescribing that while women are pregnant and or breastfeeding, then we can apply the same logic to the use of psychedelics, that it will not cross the blood barrier into the baby. And that makes sense to me, like logically, you know, spiritually. And then, yes. The larger conversation is, okay, if we don't have the science and let's look to history and to your point, we know that indigenous cultures, we know that the original peoples have used psychedelics in a myriad of ways for women and women's health and women's mental health.
Um, we know that there's a long tradition of giving birth. Well, on a big dose, which had I known, oh my gosh, I'm doing it. Um, we know that children, you know, as young as 11, 12, 13, you know, that is go on vision question and have exposure to it, but it's, it's done in such a sacred. intentional, remarkably, um, protected way that the benefits are, you know, positive.
And I, I also don't want to just like put, um, original cultures on this, like perfect pedestal. Like everything that has been done in the past worked out great because I don't believe that to be true. Cause we're humans. Um, but yeah, we, we know that these are, we know that this is used. And use for women in a lot of ways.
And again, I ask you the shit, you know, I was just watching Ricky Lake talk again about, you know, the business of being born, like the shit you are pumped with when you're in a hospital giving birth. And I can speak to that because I hadn't, you know, I had the doula lined up, I had all the things, but I ended up getting preeclampsia.
And I had to have an emergency C section three weeks early. And I, and then my preeclampsia was so bad that I was put on beta blockers. And I was like, how is this, how is this possibly good for my baby? Every time a nurse came in, they were giving me more pills or giving me a shot of something. There was no questions.
There was no consideration. And they're like, yeah, just, you know, and then we're, you know, frustrated that my milk wasn't coming in. So how can all that be okay? But psilocybin can't. And I don't know the answer. I just want to be curious about it. I think we should apply logic to both and just stay curious.
But also not just demonize it to the fact, to the point where It's got this like death sentence on it because we know that that's not true.
[00:09:22] Megan Michelena: Well, and there's no side effects. The thing is, is like there's side effects to SSRI blockers. We don't even know what the hell it does. I mean, and all of the endocrine blockers and all the microplastics and all of the shit that is in our systems.
Well, don't even get me started on birth control, but it's. The thing is, is there, there's no side effects and I, I, you know, we're working with a mom right now and I said, I think the worst thing that could happen is that your baby comes out levitating, which you have to deal with that. You have to deal with that.
And she was, she's like,
[00:09:56] Tracey Tee: baby comes out smarter than you. Yes. Yes. I'm in more awake. With like massive emotional intelligence, you know, that was
[00:10:03] Megan Michelena: my only one because I really believe in coming back to empowering the woman to feel into your body because you know, and you know, there's been so many times in my life where I have known better and I have listened to outside sources and it has not served me because There's this whole thought that seeking outside of self, because we've been taught that with religion and everything else, we forget that we are of ancient, we are matter, matter cannot be created or destroyed.
We have so much wisdom in our bodies, in our DNA, in everything that we are, remember that and come back to that remembering that so much of. What we do and, um, you know, again, not that I'm no much of anything, but I will do this pregnant because I also feel that it will connect me to my baby more. Well that's,
[00:10:57] Tracey Tee: thank you.
It's my feeling towards
[00:10:59] Megan Michelena: this.
[00:10:59] Tracey Tee: Yeah. And for me, you know, if, if you're, if you're waffling about something and you can't rely on the logical scientific answer or the. And you're unclear about the spiritual emotional answer. You got to go back to the why, you know, the why is everything. So okay. You know, can you microdose while you're pregnant?
Yes. No, we don't know. Unclear. So find you listen to your body. But why do you want to microdose? Do you need to microdose? You know, maybe when you're pregnant, you're just, if you're conscious. And you're, and you're actually intentional, even with your pregnancy, which we all know isn't always the way, um, then maybe you don't need to take anything for nine months because you're high on estrogen, you know, and, and, and that is, that's okay too.
And I actually think, and I'm seeing this because I see this, I'm 46. So I'm already talking about like kids these days, which is hilarious. But I'm seeing this generation of, of women specifically coming up and being, doing ayahuasca journeys, um, micro dosing, doing the work, like going deep into the, why have they, why do they even want to be pregnant and getting so clear about why they want a baby to come earthside and so clear about like the mother that they want to be in a way that I didn't even know was possible, that that might be enough.
And then start at postpartum. And I mean, that's really, for me, I believe if we can, if we can do anything for women's health, my prayer would be to focus on the postpartum aspect with psilocybin, because I I'm becoming just working with moms. So many moms on a daily basis. I'm seeing postpartum doesn't end in six weeks.
Like we're told by our doctor, it goes for years. It might go for a lifetime if you're not healed by your birth and a birth is traumatic. In the best of circumstances, it rocks you to your core
and
if, and then, and we don't have the, we don't have the systems in place to hold a mother in that space, in that massive transformation.
And we live in a society that demands that she bounced back in such a quick way with no tribe, with no support. Um, that I think micro dosing could be so powerful in the postpartum space. And so, yeah,
[00:13:27] Nicole Michelena: well, I think it's really important to circle back around of intention. You specifically said in tribes with vision quests.
With anything of initiation of anything in regards to plant medicine, they all have intention around them. And it's so important, because, like, our program, and I'm sure you can speak to this, we always set intention, whether it's a micro intention, a macro intention, or it's just that present moment of why are you here?
Because our society does not teach intention. And when you are intentionally intentional about anything. In the best way, you will, it will be positive. The outcome is usually always positive when you're in a positive framing of intention.
[00:14:18] Megan Michelena: Yes. Amen. Yeah, well, we and I've seen these mushrooms have. There's so much more consciousness than we realize.
And, you know, I was microdosing and macro, you know, doing all of these things and I was like, okay, well maybe it's just all in my head. And these things are so powerful that, uh, we actually took our dog off pain medicine and we give it psilocybin cause she's 14 and she's, she's going to pass soon. It has taken all of her pain away.
There is, I put the, we put the intention in
[00:14:48] Tracey Tee: it. I'm doing
[00:14:49] Megan Michelena: it. Put the intention in it of please take her out of pain. It has changed. Her life. She basically came back from the dead. We had her on gabapentin and she wasn't moving much and she wasn't and she wasn't really eating. She wasn't eating. And I was like, there's gotta be more.
And I said, I know these mushrooms won't do any harm and we, we, um, muscle tested. Her name's Rasta. Um, and she's like, bring it on. And I was like, great. We started micro dosing our dog and dude, I love that. Her name is Rasta. Her name's an area. She's on walks. Yeah. She's straight like, hell yeah, I'm on mushrooms, but the, all of this shit on the internet said don't feed it to your dog.
It's been two months and she, it has prolonged her life. And she's in no pain, like she's still, you know, she's old, these things are magical. If so, the intention is real because if we don't put the intention of, you know, take her out of pain, then the mushrooms don't know what to do. And then she's still like panting and in pains to give her more of like, okay, make sure you put intention because the mushrooms don't know what they don't know, just like us.
Right. So that's how powerful intention was that gets kind of off subject. But. Uh, these things are freaking magical. I cannot believe the power within them and we, we have proof with our dog. It's nuts. So if you're doing that with pregnancy or anything, if you do have depression and you're pregnant or, you know, if you wrap intention around these, these things will do no harm.
They actually heal in real time. And I just, I just, I can't even, it is so far beyond words to watch her because, you know, if anybody that has an animal, you know, it's so hard to watch them age and the fact that, you know, she's 14 and she's functioning again, and she's still going to pass in a couple of months, but the end of her life, isn't this like really dramatic, like suffering.
I can't, I will be grateful for them for the rest of my life just for what it's done to her. And, but it also, I've witnessed the power of them and, you know, you kind of can question it with yourself, but when you see it in an animal
[00:16:57] Tracey Tee: that
[00:16:58] Megan Michelena: is, you know, basically on death's door and then all of a sudden it's, you know, she's not quite resurrected, but she has life back in her bones.
It's prolonged her life. It's. I'm like these, these, these fuckers in the pharmaceutical company and I'm going to say it even though, you know, it's that, that word, you're not supposed to use it that much, but it's, it's just, I cannot believe it makes me. My Aries, when I think about the fact that these have been around and they haven't, they know, and they, because they can't make money off of them and you can use them on animals and all of these things, it's just so upsetting, but also to circle back to the story, because that was actually a really important, um, side note, but we psychedelics because there's so much stigma around them, especially in our generation, right?
Yeah. And to use them with stepping outside of social norms and how most people, you know, think of, you know, what's acceptable and there's all of that. So we want to hear your story and being a mom with them and feeling like. You know that that's okay because I think a lot of moms probably feel a lot of judgment and fear around using psychedelics and being a mother.
So it's really important.
[00:18:11] Tracey Tee: Yeah, thank you. Um, you know, and that's really why I started mom was around the intention piece. Um, and to your point, I've experimented with myself like I've just like thrown back a capsule and gone about my day even in higher doses just to see. And I don't feel anything, you don't, you don't get anything, but when I even, when I even just in a busy, on a busier day, it, you know, just stopping.
And I always put my, I always put my microdose in my cacao because that's my way of slowing down and I just, I love drinking things. So I think I like drinking medicine. I somewhere, I think my body absorbs it better. Um, even just looking at it and it doesn't take more than five seconds to just say a quick prayer and that that's, that's enough on some days for the little beings.
You know, like they're fine with that. And then on the, you know, on the days where I can sit and just. For 10 minutes, sit on my floor and close my eyes and listen to music or pray or make it a true intention world. It's magic. It's magic. You know, um, so my story, um, I will try to abridge it, but it's, um, I came.
I came to this medicine. It had been calling to me for a long time. In fact, for some reason I woke up today, I'm like, obsessed. Paul stats is I call my boyfriend. I love
[00:19:36] Nicole Michelena: on your girl. So
[00:19:38] Tracey Tee: love me and Paul, because I was like my
[00:19:40] Nicole Michelena: boyfriend. I'm like, yes, girl. He's I,
[00:19:43] Tracey Tee: I love him so much. And I was like, why have I.
Like, I feel like I loved Paul before he was like all. Um, and then I was looking back, like the first time I saw him speak, I scalped a ticket and went by myself. He was here at DU in 2018. And I went by myself. Cause I remember telling my husband, cause my daughter was a lot younger. And I was like, Paul Stamets.
He's like, who's Paul Stamets? I'm like, he's in town. He's going to talk about mushrooms. And I'm going, and I remember I was like on like back end, like Facebook groups trying to get a ticket. And like, um, and it changed. I was, I was, I still remember fondly that day. Um, so I've been called to medicine for a long time.
I've been called to ayahuasca for a really long time, way before it's, you know, got super trendy. But as a mother, I was like, I don't think I can go to the Amazon rainforest for three weeks. And just like disappear and do 10 rounds of I is like a really bad idea. Um, also I don't have time. Um, and so it all has just sort of been on the back burner, but just sort of looming around me.
Um, and when my daughter was about two years old, I started, um, I co-wrote and created and performed in and produced a live comedy show with my best friend and business partner called The Pump Andum Show, which was a comedy show for moms. to bring moms together and laugh about the things we have in common.
And it was like very raw. Um, it was really good. It was very funny. And we ended up touring the country for over five years, crisscrossing the country, went to every comedy club, music venue, uh, performing arts complex. You can think of, we were on the today show. Um, it was amazing and all while raising children and, but bringing moms together through comedy.
And our, our kind of tagline was It doesn't matter if you've never tried a cloth diaper or if you ate your own placenta. Like we're all just doing the best we can, you know? And when you get moms together and laugh and you re then you realize you're not alone. So the stage was being set for this idea of community because mothers would come to our comedy show and be like, this is the first time I've been out.
In years since having took years, like never been out, never gone out, never done anything for themselves and they would come to our show and Shana and I, my partner, we would like cry ourselves to sleep at night. I mean, half of our show we felt was. The end of the show when we would step, you know, stay after and take pictures and hug women and listen to their stories.
And again, we would go back to our crappy hotel and just weep for the loneliness and the disconnection that mothers had. Um, and so we grew and grew. We had our own podcast. It was co produced by Warner brothers. Eventually, our bodies were broken from touring so much that we, um, kind of self franchised ourselves and created a cast out of L.
A. and a cast out of Chicago with the intention of them touring regionally. Um, we were And this was in, this started in about 2018 and I had a big spiritual kind of, I won't call it an awakening because that came later, but I had my first spiritual boom, um, in Santa Fe at the Chimayo church. And it really, and I, I, that's a whole episode, but that was my first kind of like boom into a new path for me.
Um, and I was starting to, and this really started when I turned 40, I started to look around me and say, There's more here. Like there's more to this life. And even though I was an entrepreneur, a successful one, even though I was in a creative industry, even though I was performing on stage and doing this crazy thing that moms like don't do.
I was like, I didn't feel like I was using my brain. I didn't feel like I was using my heart and I didn't know how to get it. And so this was all, you know, percolating. And, um, so we, we got our cast up and running. We put them out in 2019 in the fall to kind of get their sea legs. In 2020, we had over a hundred shows booked all across the country.
We were 50 percent sold out. Um, we were days away from signing an off Broadway deal with two Tony award winning producers for the pump it up show to be in New York and Shane and I were going to fly out and headline it. And then COVID hit and they locked down the country. And in two weeks I saw a decade business.
Literally fall through my fingers. I mean, we lost untold amounts of cash cash because we were promoting the shows and it's a live entertainment company. You don't get paid until you go and do a show, but you still got to buy plane tickets for everyone and hotels for everyone. And you got to buy Facebook ads and you got to direct the cast.
And it, and I saw a decade fall through my fingers. I I'll never forget this day when I talked to our agent, we had a fancy Hollywood agent at William Morris. And, and he said, I was the one who called him and said, I think we have to like shut down soon because this is weird. And when we ended up having to cancel the entire 2020 season and I, and the numbers kicked in, I leaned over, I curled up in the fetal position and I was like convulsing crying.
My husband walked upstairs cause we're all locked home
and
I was like, I just lost, I lost everything. I just lost everything. And I knew, and you know, 2020 came and went. No performing 2021. We pivoted. We did the online thing. We tried. We tried. I wasn't interested in people showing their papers and coming to a comedy show on a mask that didn't feel like the right energy to me.
We tried. We tried. We were in debt, more debt. The government forgot about the entertainment industry. And, um, in that time I had my official spiritual awakening and I was sitting on the couch one evening while my daughter and husband were kind of cleaning up the kitchen and I. I thought I was leaving my body.
Like I could felt, I thought I was, I remember sitting and thinking, I'm gonna, I'm just going to float out of this house. Like what is happening? And I, and I crawled to my, this was actually in the summer of 2020. So pretty early in the kind of pandemic, I was like a 2020 awakener. And I, my journal was out on the couch for some reason.
And I, and I kind of crawled over to it and I wrote. I'm either on the verge of a spiritual awakening or I'm about to lose my mind. And I didn't even know what those words were. I didn't know what a spiritual way I wrote it. It was on June 24th and I just. And it was like crazy. And so a lot of other fortuitous events happen when, when God gives you that opportunity.
And through that awakening period, and I was, um, a beautiful friend came in and became my spiritual mentor and came over to my house every week for like four or five months while I worked my shit out. And she taught me everything. And, um, That was kind of the confirmation to start plant medicine and said, best friend and business partner invited me to go to a private lake in Boulder and go camp with a bunch of girlfriends and do shrooms.
And this point I was 44 years old and never, I've never done, I don't, I've never done drugs. I've never, I never did X with my friends in college. I mean, I smoked some weed, I drink, but like, um, you know, I'd never done anything. And I knew something inside me. I remember driving up to the camp and I was like, if this is the spiritual experience, I'm, I know it to be like, there's something here.
And it, it was like, you, we said earlier when we were talking, you know, the mushrooms choose people and like, I was chosen, you know, when I, my first trip, I saw all the symbols of everything that had ever been written in life. I saw the grid over the earth. I saw the fourth dimension, you know, I knew I had, I knew we were protected.
I understood the separation of spirit in this three dimensional world. I had the best time, I had the best night ever. And I was hooked. Um, and microdosing really made a lot of sense to me on a practical level, especially as a mother. Um, so I started looking into it, um, found a course, took the course, um, and my life just went like this.
I just felt like everything, you know, I became softer. My lesser qualities started to sort of crumble away or at least become manageable. Um, but. In that course, and this was still during sort of lockdown and it was on zoom, I remember, you know, getting to the zoom call and it, and you know, a mother getting on a zoom call with a young kid, especially during the pandemic was like a miracle in and of itself.
And I remember just like getting there at like seven o'clock. Cause it was like right during dinner hour. And I'm like, okay, I'm here. I'm here. And, you know, and I, I would listen to other people talk and I just was like, okay, this is great. I don't have a lot in common with a 26 year old kid working at Starbucks.
getting over a breakup or, or the 65 year old entrepreneur who has never been married. And he gets to go to the Amazon rainforest all the time and do ayahuasca. And in the middle was like me and one other mom sort of staring at each other. Um, like there's, we're, we're not, we're not being heard. And I can't, I can't tell you the words that I'm feeling for me going through this.
And so that's when it really hit me that this medicine just lands different when you're a mom and our healing is different. We come to it with different, um, concerns, with different fears, with different stigmas. Um, and, and we need to apply it to different aspects of our life because, again, like we talked about earlier, we're healing, we're healing ourselves, we're healing the past, present, future, and everyone is, but we're doing that while raising tiny humans.
And, um, as my, as my business again, continue to crumble, I felt like I was finally able to alchemize all this pain and grief. Like I was feeling it, but it was just being released. Like it was like coming up and out and I, and it wasn't going back down in. And I was so grateful for that. Um, and, and so eventually when we finally decided to close our business at the end of 2021, I was in meditation and.
Mom's on mushrooms. M. O. M. just like landed in my brain. Like literally just like God was like, open the hatch, just put it in there, closed it and was like, okay, there you go. You're welcome.
That's all
[00:30:10] Nicole Michelena: you got. You run with it.
[00:30:12] Tracey Tee: I mean, I sat up and I was like, Oh, come on. Like, it's so
good. Like I was like, that's really good.
You know, like it's real. I was like, certainly someone's thought of it. It's so obvious. So I run to my computer and go on, go daddy. It's available. And I was like, uh, okay. I guess this is what we're doing now, you know, who am I to, and you know, there's, and we can talk about this more, but you know, also my first official journey was very confirming and I was very fortunate to just sort of be shown my Dharma.
And so all of that combined, I was powerless to fight it. And um, that's how moms on mushrooms started. So we're just coming up on being a year.
[00:30:54] Megan Michelena: I
[00:30:55] Nicole Michelena: love that. Um, congratulations. Like, that is a story. Like, talk about I was listening to you and all I could see was, um, a phoenix rising from the ashes. Yeah.
[00:31:07] Tracey Tee: Oh.
[00:31:07] Nicole Michelena: Because COVID destroyed so many people's lives. Mm hmm. And livelihoods, and so many people still haven't found power. And to be able to step in to that, like, opportunity and like, make a difference. Wow.
[00:31:23] Megan Michelena: Wow. There's also a lot of synchronicities between a lot of things, but I won't go into our story, but we need to get coffee.
Um, but I want to hear about how you saw your Dharma because this is huge. And I think so many people need to hear this because it's, and I connected with it. So I'm like, I want to hear. How you saw this and how it came through and that that is a beautiful gift. Beautiful. Love this.
[00:31:48] Tracey Tee: Well, let me guide you to how I saw my Dharma because it's an even more synchronistic story.
So in the middle of all of this, so a year later to the week of my spiritual awakening birthday, like I call that my new birthday. Um, a year later. Um, I was just very like, just, I don't emotional for the, it felt like a big week for me. Like June 24th is like my day. And I was just in, that's your birth.
[00:32:14] Megan Michelena: That's another synchronicity. There's weird things happening. Guys. We're friends. We're best friends already. We're fine. We're soul sisters. Um,
[00:32:21] Tracey Tee: and I was just sort of with spirit and our niece, um, had come in and was staying with us for a couple of weeks. about to go to college. Um, And I was just so happy like I, you know, I love family.
I love being around my nieces and nephews, my daughter, obviously. And we, um, took her up to Glenwood Springs and just to go swimming. And, um, the day we were leaving, there had been mudslides. It was the summer where there was like mudslides in the mountains everywhere. And there were mudslides. We barely got into Glenwood, um, and a mudslide came after us.
And then it was like, the highways were open. They were closed. They were open. They were closed. And we never, we didn't even know if we were going to be able to leave Glenwood. Um, but we got to the pools really early, like suit, like right when it opened, maybe like 6 30 and the sun was kind of shining in that beautiful morning, Colorado sun, blue sky.
And it was really quiet in the pool. I remember just sitting by myself and just being so grateful to God. Like I was like, you know, those moments where you're just like, thank you for this life. Like Like from the bottom of my heart. Couldn't be more grateful. And I remember praying and just saying, what can I do?
Like, how do I repay? Like, what do I do? You know, tell me. And it was just a beautiful moment. Then we had to go head, check out of our hotel and we had been following the tracking and they were like, we're like, okay, we got to go. Cause I 70 is open. We go to the, we go to the exit ramp. It's close. So we're like, okay, no deal.
We'll just go to Aspen for the afternoon and we'll show Madeline Aspen and we'll just make a day of it and we'll just take our time. Oh, who cares? No one wants to go home anyway. So at this point, it's like 11 in the morning. It's a Monday morning. We're driving to Aspen. Everybody's happy. I'm sitting in the front seat.
I'm texting my family. Oh, we're going to meet. We might be home a day late, whatever. And we get hit by a drunk driver going 70 miles an hour down the highway. We're going like north south. This guy cuts across two lanes, comes out of a side road hits. I hear my husband go, no, no, no, no, no. He's slick. He slightly moves just so we don't completely hit head on.
And the guy hits my side of the car. We slam into each other. We go through a guardrail and fly 30 feet in the air and land in a ditch in the mountains with my children in the back seat.
[00:34:43] Megan Michelena: Yeah, I was not expecting that. That was not it. That was no, did you need like time out for a second? I was
[00:34:48] Tracey Tee: not
[00:34:48] Nicole Michelena: expecting
[00:34:49] Tracey Tee: that.
[00:34:49] Nicole Michelena: It was like a beautiful ayahuasca ceremony in the mountains or something. All right, we're settling in. It
[00:34:55] Tracey Tee: would be worth releasing this video just to see your eyes. Oh, and also,
[00:35:01] Nicole Michelena: because we live in Colorado, we know what that means. I'm so familiar with that past, like, holy shit. People that are listening to this, you have not been in the Colorado mountains, and that past between Silverthorne and Aspen, it is, Scary to begin with, but holy shit.
[00:35:19] Tracey Tee: Okay. Yeah.
[00:35:20] Megan Michelena: All right. I'm watching a movie right now. Okay. Hold on.
[00:35:23] Tracey Tee: Buckle up. So I will say this just as an aside, cause I know you guys will appreciate it now in reflection and even in the time, cause you know, we hit the guardrail, so everyone was just like massive impact. And we were, we were flying in the air and I felt hands go on the side of the car and just slam it down because no one understands why we didn't roll and no one understands why we're all alive.
Like no, literally no one. We just went, boom. And landed in the ground. Now the car was obviously we were covered in glass. My husband chipped a tooth. There's blood. I am, you know, my daughter, we have to, I had to, I had to kick the, the, the sides of the car door out. We were locked inside the car at smoking or, you know, my daughter comes out.
She goes, mommy, my tummy, she pulls up her sweater. It's like purple and red, her stomach and she collapses in the grass. I mean, it's awful. It was the worst moment of my life. Um, but we were able to walk ourselves into the ambulance and we, you know, I'm, I'm still bruised almost two years later, but we were on all intent.
We didn't die. We didn't even spend the night. And when we got home and I started to reflect, A, I felt all my chakras come online, like clarity, like I had never felt before in my life. It didn't last very long. I'm kind of bummed about it, but like I sure enjoyed it while I was lying there, bruised, barely able to move.
Um, and as I started to dig myself out of that darkness. I had my plant allies told me, and I really believe that I was able to alchemize. No mother wants to experience that. And I think I was able to take that fear, that trauma, all of it and recognize it, but it just kept leaving me. It kept leaving me and I didn't sit in it.
Like I'm sad about it and it's, it's a part of my life story, but it's not in me. It's not, it doesn't define me. I was okay and I was able to navigate my family from that psychedelic space and say we can, we can lift ourselves out of this if we just tell the story. But I also knew we needed help. So especially my daughter explained, you know, my, you know, a 10 year old who said, you always told me I would be safe.
And then I'm not like, that shit's that shit's dark. And I knew this was out of my wheelhouse and I knew she needed to talk to someone, but good luck finding a child therapist. In 21, 21, people wouldn't even answer the phone. They wouldn't even return my phone calls. I could not find anyone to see my daughter, no, literally no one.
And I was desperate. And we were going to this, um, osteopathic therapist for our injuries. And I finally asked him, I was like, do you know anyone who will see my family, but we'll see her. And he's like, well, I know this woman, she's really hard to get ahold of. She's kind of a shaman. I was like, what? Tell me her name.
Tell me her name tomorrow, you know, and so I had to like stalker text her to the point where I was like, as a mother, I am begging you just take my kid. I don't care if you never see me or my husband, just like, please take my child. I'm begging. And she got my daughter in, you know, one session. My daughter's like, I'm good.
Got it. Get it. Cleared up. She was great. And I finally went in to see her. She is a shaman and she'd been working with, she works underground with plant medicine and has forever. She's a certified holotrophic breathwork. She was trained by Stan Groff. And we talked about the accident for about 20 minutes and then it went straight into my spirituality.
And I'm telling you all of this because that accident led me to my mentor. Which led me to my first journey where I saw my Dharma. So I have gratitude for the entire, for the entire journey. Um, and when I finally took that fateful three grams of albino penis envy and crossed over into the quantum, I was just shown the gifts.
I, I, I, I tend to go straight to God with, with mushrooms to me, um, they are very holy and it was this holy. I was brought to my knees in the understanding that there's something greater than ourselves, you know, and, uh, and I was tempted. I went down way down dark. I think I was probably tempted by the devil.
I was, I was in this space. I was in a spaceship and it was very dark and there was like tentacle, the walls were like tentacles and everything was moving, but we were like in space, but it was like sexy space. Like it was like really dark and it was like kind of cool. And there was this cube floating and the cube was like, if you follow me, I'll give you everything you've ever wanted.
Like I'll tell you everything I'll give you. You'll never want for anything. You just have to say yes. And it was like quiet. And I really, I was like, sounds pretty good. And my
[00:40:49] Nicole Michelena: sexy,
[00:40:50] Tracey Tee: sexy, it's cool down here. I kind of feel powerful. You're making a good argument. Like, is this what it's all about? Like, do I just say yes?
Um, and luckily my guide, and this is why we talked about this too. It's so important to have a, a knowledgeable experience guide. She sensed where I was and she was like, are you, are you okay? Do you know where you are? Do you want to talk? And I was like, well, I'm in here. There's this cube. They're asking me if I want to follow them.
She goes, well, what do you want to do? And I thought about it and it was like my heart, like the best part of myself just cracked and like showed herself. And she was just like, absolutely not. No, this is a terrible idea. Like get out. And I said, no, I don't, I don't want to go. And the minute I said, no, I went whoosh.
And I went up, up. And I felt those tentacles fall off me. If it was like black muck was coming out of my body and I was like rising up and ascending and ascending and things were just falling off of me. And it was like super warp speed until I showed up at another spaceship. I don't know why spaceships are a thing for me.
It's not my vibe. Like I'm not an alien person. I showed up at another spaceship. And there was this like, We call it the Lido deck now, like as a joke, but there was like this deck of this, like a can of faceless, there's probably like maybe a dozen beings standing on this deck. And they were like, Hey, I'm like, that's all right, great, like we've been waiting for you for so long and you're here.
And like, they were like, all right, great. We have a lot to talk about. And they, it was like download. It was like information. It was like the matrix. It was like information flooding into my brain so fast where I had to ask to stop. I would be like, stop telling me, stop, you know, like I have to breathe. And my guide, you know, she would like, she'd be like, you can slow it down.
And I, it was like, I was being shown everything, but they showed me how I would be protected. They explained to me triangles and the number three and sacred geometry and. And, and, you know, this is obviously, you know, when you're trying to describe a journey, it's hard to put it into time. Um, but then they were like, here's your karma and here's what you're alchemizing.
And it's to feel other people's pain. It's to, it's to see it and feel it myself. That's my, you know, I don't call it punishment, but that's my cross to bear is to feel that pain and it sucks. But they showed me how to. Like pull people out of the bramble and kind of set them in the garden and that my Dharma is to kind of Uber drive people from the dark into a garden where they can grow.
And like, I just have to just build a garden and that's it. Like, I just got to get, I just got to get in there because we all know how to grow and I can help and I can protect. And I can keep the hell out of your life and let you do the work. And that's my Dharma. Like that's what I'm here to do. And I, it was so clear and so obvious, and it's been repeated in consequential journeys.
And confirmed and clarified over, you know, more medicine, but I will tell you, and I, you know, I caution even talking about this because we know that a lot of people do journeys and they're like, you know, does shrooms once and then as a guru and not that I'm a guru, but like I did shrooms once and three days late, three months later.
I had shut down band of mothers and I had started moms on mushrooms. Like it happened that fast and it was nothing to do with me. I did not want to do it. Like I did not want, I'm, I'm not, I'm not a life coach. I wasn't supposed to do this. And I'm so new. Like, I was like, who am I? And it was not up to me.
And that's why in, in that journey, when I spoke to God and, um, I'll tell you one really thing, one beautiful thing, like a hawk is very much my spirit animal. And during my summer of awakening, I would, we bought a stock tank pool for all the neighborhood kids because we're all trapped in our houses. And I would go out into that pool and I would just swim in it naked.
And I would lay and I would just watch Hawks Hawks would just fly above me like all summer. And I have many other Hawk stories of like Hawks coming. I had a hysterectomy and a Hawk would sit outside on my fence while I sat outside and recovered. She would just, and we would just stare at each other. So like Hawks, my Hawks, my jam.
So at one point during my first journey, I had gone to the bathroom and I had gotten come back to the room that we were in and the sun, it was like four o'clock and the sun was in that beautiful, golden, just like the most holy, beautiful, glowy sun. And it was in this beautiful picture window. And it was like, I realized.
That that's God watching over us like that's what the sun is like it's there every day for us to just be reminded that we're protected and watched over. So this long, very high conversation with the sun. Um, but it was beautiful. And when it was over, a hawk flew and landed right in front of the window, like a real hawk, not a hallucinogenic hawk.
So anyway, all that to be said, I did not want to do it. But I felt very confirmed that this is what I was supposed to do. And um, the biggest lesson that I think psychedelics has ever taught me is to just trust in your faith and then you're rewarded when you follow your dharma. And if I was going to write a book, it would be when God shows you your dharma, do it and good things will happen.
The end. I
[00:46:50] Nicole Michelena: think it's, I think it's so important because it's, it's pure alignment. It's pure. I mean, you are pure in alignment and we have a very, very similar story. We are like, you want us to do what? Yeah. Right.
[00:47:06] Tracey Tee: But
[00:47:10] Nicole Michelena: there's so many people out there that are listening to this, whether you're a mom or not, like, Alignment is when it hits you.
It is like a train that hits you and it is like it doesn't. If you're not in alignment, you're literally a train
[00:47:22] Megan Michelena: or like, you know, well, but thank you for stepping in.
[00:47:27] Nicole Michelena: Yeah. That's like way to be in alignment and stepping. I was
[00:47:32] Megan Michelena: like crying during that I was on all of even our Dalmatians excited about it.
Yo, that was a mate. Like I was, I was like crying. I was like, so now I'm like, Oh my God, I feel because I feel other people's feelings. I can feel how deeply like this work is for you. It's like, Oh, it's like in your soul. And I could feel it. And I was just like, Oh my God, it's so deep. And the thing that I got the most out of that is just like, when you're called, don't let your past or who you were in the past.
Yeah. Like determine who you are becoming because it doesn't fucking matter. It doesn't matter your education. It doesn't matter who you were. We are of the stars like, and we are so much more than what we are here physically. And when you receive a call like that, it's fucking sacred. And so many people think they're not worthy of that.
[00:48:26] Tracey Tee: Oh, myself included. I'm not, but you still stepped in.
[00:48:30] Megan Michelena: But that's what's so beautiful. And you know, the other thing was, is that, you know, Satan doesn't come to us or darkness doesn't come to us and the things that we fear, they come to us in all of the things That we want,
[00:48:44] Tracey Tee: and when you can
[00:48:45] Megan Michelena: say no to that, you are of divinity and you are given all of the gifts that you will ever want.
But it's saying that sacred no, and I fucking love that you did that because it came to you and everything you've ever wanted.
[00:48:59] Tracey Tee: I love that I did that.
Wait a second. You got tempted by Satan and you said like, I'm, I'm okay. I might not make every, you know, I might, I'm going to make mistakes, but like, I didn't make the mistake of. Like Satan, you know? Right.
[00:49:17] Nicole Michelena: Good for you. You didn't make the deal with the devil like they
[00:49:19] Tracey Tee: said. Right? I did not. And oh, I sure wanted to.
And I, and I'm grateful that I understand what that feels like because Yes, temptations. I get it. I get it. Why you would sell your salt. It's real. Feel it, it sounds real good.
[00:49:32] Megan Michelena: Oh, and it, it's a real thing. It happens all, we see it all the time. Like we see it all of the time. Mm-hmm. In some of the, the, you know, especially in music and stuff today, just stick around.
There's trick, extra energy. It's in there, you
[00:49:42] Tracey Tee: know? It sounds like it's supposed to be good. And, and it's so funny. I was like, Ooh, this sexy great, this awesome black ship. I feel good here. You know, like, and then, but now I'm like, that's not even my vibe. Like, why? It's like, that's a trickster that I
black spaceships,
I'm not into black spaceships.
Like, but it seductive, I think it was, it's seductive. It's
[00:50:03] Megan Michelena: seductive. Similar, yeah. No, we, we've got lots to talk about, um mm-hmm . But if you had to say one last thing to our listeners, uh, what would it be?
[00:50:15] Tracey Tee: Oh gosh. I would say,
I would say, don't be afraid of change and, and don't, don't be afraid to let your light out. Like there's so much more to your life, um, that's available to you. That is so beautiful beyond anything you could imagine. And, and, and that the world, the world needs you to be like the shining angel that you are.
Like the world needs you so bad to be your best self. Not to be rich or successful, but to be your happiest. Most joyful, most loving self, like that part of you will heal multitudes and don't be afraid to go find her. Well,
[00:51:20] Megan Michelena: you're so good at making me cry.
[00:51:24] Tracey Tee: I'm
[00:51:24] Megan Michelena: not even a crier.
[00:51:25] Nicole Michelena: And then for anybody out there is trying to get in touch with you.
Of course, they can always use us to get to you. But. Um, you know, the moms out there that are looking for a network that are looking for people to hear them. How do they get in touch with you?
[00:51:41] Tracey Tee: Uh, it's easy. Just go to moms on mushrooms. com. Uh, and, and join, we have a, we have a monthly community membership.
I call it Facebook for moms on shrooms. It's four bucks a month. Um, a place where you can just gather. You feel like you can ask questions. It's off social media. It's away from prying eyes, algorithms, advertisers. It's just moms. And I believe that we are, I believe that this medicine is supposed to be done in community.
And I think we can figure it out ourselves. We just need to start talking to each other. So you can, you can join the monthly membership. We have beautiful three month courses, beautiful containers to guide you into a sacred and intentional practice around this medicine, which we didn't even get time to really talk about.
Um, and that's just a really beautiful space for you to be held and to lean into and feel really comfortable with this medicine. Um, and I have a, if you're just really curious, which I'm, I don't think these listeners are, but we have a microdosing one on one for moms, just a very basic who, what, why, how, you know, why should I, if you just want to start there, it's an easy course for 40 bucks.
You can read it in a night and, uh, yeah, moms on mushrooms. com or I'm on Instagram moms on mushrooms official. I keep forgetting to post, but when I do, it's usually inappropriate memes, but.
[00:53:05] Nicole Michelena: You know. Oh, other too. It works. And I will put all of these in the show notes for you guys so that if you are driving and couldn't take notes or you aren't on your phone right now to look up moms on mushrooms, uh, it'll be all right there accessible for you to get to.
But thank you, Tracy, for your time. This was amazing. So, um, I'm so excited that we can actually kind of join forces because we have, I am. I said a lot of moms come to us and they're very lost. Well, we don't have the answers. And you did. I think
[00:53:34] Megan Michelena: this might be a part two podcast. I think we need a part two because it doesn't feel finished, but you know, we got life that you have to get back to.
Unfortunately.
[00:53:43] Tracey Tee: Well, we, we did talk for a full 45 minutes. I really like you. And I felt that
[00:53:49] Megan Michelena: so deeply, like, Oh, I feel like crying.
[00:53:52] Tracey Tee: There's lots ahead for us. And I just also want to say it just because you're not mothers doesn't mean you don't have the answers. You do. And the work you're doing is amazing and beautiful and you are both so grounded and so dialed in.
And that is why I'm so grateful for as frustrated as I get about technology, like to connect with you two at eight 30 in the morning on zoom and be friends for life. Like what a gift. So thank you. What an
[00:54:17] Megan Michelena: honor.
[00:54:18] Nicole Michelena: We help people do the work before they become parents. There you go. And even those that have not found the medicine that our parents and they're like, Oh shit.
And we're like, yeah, let's, you know, it's, it's very in alignment without being almost like in the same niches. It's very, it's amazing how much our work actually aligns and
[00:54:40] Tracey Tee: I'm excited to work with you. I'm excited to do something together.
[00:54:43] Megan Michelena: We definitely, there's definitely some synergy there. It's coming
[00:54:46] Tracey Tee: in.
[00:54:46] Megan Michelena: It's coming in. But Tracy, really, thank you so much for your time. Thank you for your vulnerability. And I'm just excited to see and, um, however we can help you on your journey. We're here. Likewise, that's, that's, uh, the store. I just loved that.
[00:55:18] Nicole Michelena: And make sure that you follow us at synchronicity underscore sisters on Instagram. We are on all major platforms. And then of course, we would love for you to give us a five star rating and review the show for that other people that are out there searching for a new podcast to listen to. We hope you have a great day and we will talk to you guys all
[00:55:37] Tracey Tee: soon.
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