Psychedelic Divas

In this episode of Psychedelic Divas, host Carla sits down with Tracey Tee, founder of Moms on Mushrooms, for an intimate, wide-ranging conversation about motherhood, psychedelics, embodiment, and community. Tracey shares why supporting mothers through intentional microdosing has become her life’s work, drawing from her own profound physical journey through fertility challenges, surgeries, early menopause, and chronic pain. Together, they explore how psychedelics can gently reconnect women to their bodies, restore trust in intuition, and invite compassion for long-ignored exhaustion and grief. The conversation also addresses the very real fears mothers carry, of legality, judgment, loss, and change, alongside the surprising openness and curiosity Tracey encounters again and again. Woven throughout is a deep reflection on the power of community, the healing potential of vulnerability, and the importance of reclaiming simple, imperfect ways of gathering with other women. This episode offers listeners a grounded, heartfelt invitation to trust their inner knowing, soften their relationship with their bodies, and remember that healing does not have to happen alone.

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Psychedelic Divas: Moms on Mushrooms Conversation

Carla Dechon: [00:00:00] As psychedelics catapult their way back into the mainstream, it can be confusing and potentially dangerous to try to navigate these medicines on your own. Welcome to Psychedelic Divas, where we demystify the world of psychedelics through the wisdom of the divine feminine. I'm your host, Carla Dechon, and I've used these tools to transform my life over the past 40 years, and I wanna help others do the same with safety and reverence.

Every other week, you'll meet remarkable psychedelic women who share my belief that these medicines have incredible value when used with intention and safe containment. From research to recreation, we'll cover it all. Let's dive in. Welcome Diva family to episode 27 of Psychedelic Divas. I'm your host, Carla [00:01:00] Dechon, and today's guest is the fabulous Tracey T from Moms on Mushrooms.

I'm not sure when Tracey first came across my radar, it was most likely an Instagram post, possibly a video of her going toe to toe with Dr. Phil. I do remember being impressed with her calm, focused, unflappable presence on the video. I probably started following her around then and I kept being impressed by her content messaging and beautiful branding.

She kept showing up in my feed as she was featured on Fox News. Good Morning America and PR Rolling Stone, the Today Show, even the Wall Street Journal, and I thought she must have an incredible PR team. Spoiler alert, she does not. Have a PR team and does not pay for pr. I finally got to meet her when I joined the garden, the more advanced group of psychedelic explorers within her moms on Mushrooms [00:02:00] membership group, and we totally hit it off.

So let me tell you about her formal bio. Tracey t founded Moms on Mushrooms or Mom, an online education community platform for mothers interested in microdosing and plant medicine. In 2022, Tracey weaves in a sacred facilitator approach to her mom circles, calling on the support of the sacred feminine to connect women back to themselves through prayer, herbology, grounding nature, and of course plant medicine.

Her unique journey of reproductive health issues, infertility, a hysterectomy, and early menopause, provides a unique and very deep level of compassion from others. This compassion and understanding coupled with a lifetime of learning about women's health and wellness. Allows her to hold space for moms with health, birth, and womb trauma, while also offering practical tips for overwhelmed and busy moms to simply feel better in their bodies and embrace a more [00:03:00] sustainable and natural approach to physical and spiritual healing.

So welcome to psychedelic di Tracey. Thank you. And thank you for that lovely intro. There are so many places we could start, but I think it's always interesting to start with a person's psychedelic origin story. So can you tell us a little bit about your first experiences with psychedelics?

Tracey Tee: Yes. I can tell you about my first experiences because they didn't happen that long ago.

I never touched anything until I was in my mid forties. Um, I was raised in a conservative Christian home during the dairy years, and Nancy Reagan's, you know, mantras were in my ear and I grew up like convinced that if I even like looked at drugs, quote unquote, I was gonna become some skid row addict. Um, being the good first daughter that I am, I didn't do anything obviously that, that's not true.

I drank a ton because that was okay. And, you know, definitely smoked some weed in my time and certainly as it [00:04:00] became legal here in Colorado, worked with it a little bit more. Um, but it wasn't until a camping trip that I was invited to by my best friend and then business partner with a bunch of moms and other women outside Boulder, Colorado.

And it was in the summer of 2020. Um, my best friend and I had just lost our entertainment business due to the lockdowns. And we were both just working through stuff in our own ways. And I had become increasingly interested in psychedelics as I went on my own spiritual journey. And everything I read about mushrooms or ayahuasca or anything just resonated so deeply.

And I always thought, well, I could never do that. Like, when am I, how am I gonna do that? I'm a mom. And Shayna in her wisdom, invited me to this camping trip and she says, I want you to come camping and when you come, you're gonna put on your big girl pants. You're gonna take some mushrooms. And I said, okay.

And so I did. And as I was driving up there, I thought, if this experience is what I [00:05:00] sense, like what I think it's going to be like, maybe there's something here. And it was, it was every cliche thing you can imagine for a first psychedelic experience. Like we ate the mushrooms, just dried nasty mushrooms. I think we had some Skittles that we ate after to choke 'em down.

We sat outside in the glorious Colorado summer. We laughed, we played in the water. We were next to a lake. We talked and I just. I felt connected to everything. I understood the whole connection to nature. I was reaffirmed by God. I saw a grid over the earth. I understood the fourth dimension. And that night when Shay and I were lying in our tent going to sleep, we were just lying there in the dark talking about how grateful we were for our families and how much we love our children.

And I just remember falling asleep with my face, hurting from smiling so much, and woke up the next day and that was it. I was hooked. I just knew that this was my medicine. I always say there's like [00:06:00] mushroom people and I am like, I'm for sure a mushroom person. And from there I explored. I was really interested in microdosing because I had actually was on Wellbutrin because I had a full hysterectomy, which launched me into surgical menopause.

And my functional medicine doctor wisely put me on Wellbutrin to kind of manage the swings. But I did. It wasn't anything that I wanted to stay on long term, and I didn't know who I was without. So microdosing really resonated. And once I started that I really felt like my life just went like this. And all the dots of my spiritual quest for the previous five or six years just sort of fell into place.

And here I am. That's the short version

Carla Dechon: I'm sure that we could do the entire podcast on. Yeah. The longer on the longer version. Um, you talk about there's mushroom people. I feel the same way about LSD and my first LSD experience was that same thing of, you know, that, that I had done mushrooms twice and, and I love mushrooms.

But, um, my first LSD experience was more similar to what, what you're saying. And I [00:07:00] realized that LSD was my medicine. Yeah. And, and then, and then everything that I had been told about these medicines had, had been a lie and Right. And so it was like, oh, okay. That veil got ripped off. And

Tracey Tee: yeah. And I'm still, I'm still unlearning a lot of that and I, I find myself with these bouts of self-doubt.

Not necessarily fear, but like, what if I'm doing this? What if I'm wrong? You know? And I have to remember I'm not, and I have to, and I'm really learning how to trust my lived experience and the experience of other people who I respect as actual truth about the matter. And it's so hard because those lies, they get in yet and they don't, they're, they don't wanna leave.

Carla Dechon: Well, I didn't, I didn't have dare because I'm older than you. But Yeah. You know, I had, I've talked about this before on the podcast. I had, uh, art link letter's daughter, who, you know, the supposed story. It's, it's actually not true, but I mean, she did die. She did jump out a window, but not because she was on LSD and she [00:08:00] actually had been in psychiatric, you know, hospitals.

Yeah. And she had tried LSD, but she was not on LSD when she, you know, opened the window. And she may or may not have said I can fly. But anyway, she did jump to her death and they made a whole, a whole story about it that certainly imprinted on me.

Tracey Tee: Sure. All of us. Yeah. I mean, that, that story still floats around to this day.

Yeah. Yeah.

Carla Dechon: And that was quite a long time ago, so. Yeah. And then there was the, the commercials, uh mm-hmm. With the frying egg. With the egg, yeah. Oh, yeah. Right. This is your brain. And

Tracey Tee: I, I know, and I, and I keep, I know. I, and then that gets in my head, and then I just remember, this is what I tell myself, Albert Hoffman.

Gave his last talk when he was 99 years old and the guy worked with LSD his whole life. So if there's brain degeneration, show me where it is with, you know, 'cause Yeah, I'm going with that. Well,

Carla Dechon: when you think about there are, there have literally been hundreds of millions of doses of LSD [00:09:00] produced and disseminated worldwide since the sixties, hun.

May probably even, maybe a billion. Okay. So, right. Hundreds of millions. And you think, well, so where are all the people who are in the insane asylums? Where's all the DNA damage? The boomers, they're aging out. The ones who, who were in the summer of love. Mm-hmm. They're in their late seventies and my, my husband is one of them and he's doing just fine.

Tracey Tee: Yeah. No, seriously. Yeah. I don't know any boomers who work consistently with any entheogen who are like. Harmed. You know, there are like, there's eccentric people, but that's still because of the drugs. They, they were eccentric

Carla Dechon: beforehand. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So you, you mentioned that, uh, you had a, you had a business, so you were in what, what you call and others have called the Mama Mamas sphere.

For a long time you actually had a hit traveling comedy show for moms, the Pump and Dump Show mm-hmm. [00:10:00] As well as the Band of Mothers podcast. And then as you mentioned, COVID wiped that all out. Mm-hmm. So how did you go from entertainer to educator? What led you to make that left turn? That was a hard left turn.

Moms on Mushroom.

Tracey Tee: Yeah. It was, it's funny. It was, and it wasn't like I, so having done this show, and so, you know, the, the kind of mission of the Podo Show was to bring moms together and laugh about the things we have in common. And we started it in 2012. Thank God, like mercifully before Instagram, and I don't, TikTok wasn't even around.

We just didn't have to deal with that. And so the in-person experience was just really a lot more valued and we could pour our, all of our energy into improving the in-person experience and instead of like worrying about our digital pla, you know, presence. So what that did was really allow us to tap into the zeitgeist of the moms who were coming [00:11:00] in our audience.

And what we found was this deep overwhelm and sadness, loneliness and this feeling like they're not allowed to feel these feelings. Like they're not allowed to ever say that motherhood is hard or that they're not, they didn't like today. You know, they're like this, these things. And so we just gotta be the jerks that set it on stage in a funny way.

And so I've just, for ever since I was a, a young mom, have been very acutely aware of this pervasive feeling that's coast to coast. It doesn't matter if you're in Manhattan or Boise. Mothers are feeling the same way. And so when I started working with mushrooms, this message just came so consistently of, of connection.

I mean, I'm not, it's not, I'm not anything special. Everyone gets that. But what I realized is that for me, from the lens of being a mother and a concerned mother and a sort of reluctant substance, you know, user mother, I, I was [00:12:00] feeling so held by this medicine and it just made total sense to me that mom, that it's here for mothers in particular.

And then I had, uh, I was just meditating one day, just meditating no medicine, and MOM moms on mushrooms just sort of downloaded into my head. And I sat up and I thought, well, that's genius. Like obviously someone's doing this. Went to the computer, looked up the URL. There it was. And I, I remember I looked up to God and I was like, really?

Me? I have no business, none doing this. I mean, I'm fresh off my camping trip. I'm throwing myself into a microdosing, drinking from the fire hose, learning everything I can, and now I'm supposed to start the, you know, like something from others. And I said no for a long time. And then I had my first sort of guided journey with my mentor, which was a completely different experience.

And we met my guides. It was again, like the most cliche, first guided experience was shown my dharma and my purpose and all these things. And [00:13:00] it was very clear that this was the next iteration. And what we did with the comedy show, bringing moms together to laugh. Post COVID. I, it was really time to bring moms together and start talking and get serious.

And so I said yes and been getting my ass kicked ever since.

Carla Dechon: Yeah. I can have the exact same experience. Yeah. They, they told me to do the podcast. I was like, oh, sure. I was not meditating. I was fully, fully, you know, psychedelic session and sounded like a great idea at the time until I, you know, got sober the next day and I was like, I don't, I don't wanna do this.

No, thank you. Yeah, yeah. No. Yeah. And yet, here we are.

Tracey Tee: And here we are.

Carla Dechon: Yep. Uh, so I'm gonna touch on some of that a little bit later, but I wanna talk about the On the Mom website, you state your number one mission is to de-stigmatize psychedelics, especially for moms. Mm-hmm. You say, we can't move forward in healing and raising our consciousness if we're smothered in fear, guilt, shame, and old programming around the use of psychedelics or the act of self-healing, [00:14:00] speaking out and standing up for this journey is our number one mission.

So where did that mission come from?

Tracey Tee: The medicine. Yeah, it came just, it came from the medicine first, but mostly just my lived experience, again with it and this deep, deep knowing that it, like I said earlier, sometimes I forget about and sometimes I don't trust, but this deep knowing that this is healing powerful, it's a gift from great father, great mother, both, and that I know what it can do to people when used properly.

And I'm so angry at the 56 years of propaganda and misinformation and fake news that has flooded our culture from the news, from the medical institutions, from our pol politicians left and right and that it's just simply wrong. And as a triple areas as you, I [00:15:00] discussed like justice is my. Trigger, and I hate it when things aren't right.

And so, and I hate the burden that mothers carry of questioning, taking their health and happiness into their own hands. It makes me nuts that mothers don't feel empowered to do that. In this day and age, we've worked so hard to overcome so many things, and yet our mental health and our physical health is essentially outsourced to people who don't give a shit and don't have the time to pay attention to people as, uh, to as us, to us as individuals.

And the mushrooms can help shed all those layers and really help you become empowered and embodied and to make better choices for yourself and for your family. But you can't do that if you're feeling bad and you're worried about judgment. And God forbid jail. And so we had to clear that before we're gonna move forward in any [00:16:00] way with federal legalization.

Uh, you know, hopefully God willing, doctors like integrating and learning about this in med school the right way, and even deeper, having a more spiritual, like, sacred attachment to it, and not just treating it as another pill that people swallow down their throats. So it's multifaceted and it's going to, you know, it took five decades, six decades to get here.

It's gonna take a minute to get undo, but I feel like it's part of what I was asked to do.

Carla Dechon: We, we apparently have, we're on, you know, we have the same calling. Yeah. Um, and I remember talking with, uh, with a friend of mine, she was in her thirties. She, so she, you know, still young, vibrant, not an older mom. And she had just had her second kid and I was like, so, you know, so how is it?

And she just looked at me with the most. Just desperate haggard look. And she said, no one told me it would be this heinous. O. Yeah. Yeah. [00:17:00] And that is not spoken about. Right. And by the way, the kids, her kids are, they're grown, they're successful IT clients, but. But that is so much the truth, even if it's just one day and Exactly.

And we're, that's not when, you know, that's not talked about, that's not honored. And so then we get what we, but it's true. And so we get the, the wine mom archetype, right? Uh mm-hmm. And how that's just totally acceptable in our culture to numb yourself with a glass or two or half a bottle, uh, you know, little, little pillows, you know, it's mommy's wine time or whatever.

Yeah. Uh, or mother's little helper medications. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, but we don't talk about how challenging motherhood can really be that mental, physical, and spiritual loads that mothers carry. And so I really honor that within mom. That's part of the conversation. Thank you. Yeah. And

Tracey Tee: it's, it's frustrating [00:18:00] because one of the big aha moments I had after I started mom, because I get asked all the time, like.

And get told all the time, oh, this is mommy's little helper. You're just, you know, microdosing is just the new wine mom, and it's so offensive, sarcastic. It's offensive, it's Conde, it's condescending. I also get told by certain people, like, I'm reminded as if I don't know that motherhood is a gift, and like I'm acutely, I love being a mother, and there's this kneejerk reaction that's pervasive in our culture that if you complain or admit that something about motherhood is hard or isn't great, or you don't, you, God forbid, you just don't like it, then somehow you're just negating the gift of motherhood, and that simply isn't true.

I don't know any other space on the planet or in our human existence where we're not allowed to say one, you know how enjoy it, but also say it sucked. If you go camping and it rained and you said you didn't like [00:19:00] camping in the rain, it doesn't mean you hate camping. It just means that that one day wasn't great.

So when I looked at that plus this mommy's little helper thing and I really leaned into it. I spent a lot of time, I re-listened to the song over and over and found it very condescending. I know it was probably satirical, but also no. And then I really went back in history and asked my, like looked at the way mothers are allowed to have relief and you know, it was Valium and the, and the pills and it was the martini during lunch or bridge.

And then before that, I mean we used to numb, we used to chloroform moms while they were giving birth. We didn't even wanna hear them scream. And what I realized is that we just don't like upset mothers. We don't like mothers with big feelings. We don't like mothers with anger. We don't like mothers with needs.

We want them like just a little bit numb. We the Stepford wife, I mean that was very true archetype and. We, so we have always [00:20:00] allowed a substance for mothers to be used. Um, and it's like socially, okay, if they're numbed out and they quiet the F down, right? But here comes microdosing and mushrooms, which is the exact opposite of numbing out.

And we don't even have any context in our culture of what a mother who doesn't numb out looks like, but then works with a medicine. And that's also what I want to destigmatize because, and, and, and unlearn that we don't have to just shut up and be quiet and drink a bottle of Chardonnay. You can microdose and get mad and feel your feelings and let it out and then go back to being a great mom.

You get to be both.

Carla Dechon: And actually microdosing helps you tune in more to that childlike play. Yeah. You know, I mean it's, the toddler time is magical and wonderful and tedious. I mean, you know, because you know, you're listening to that same song over and over again. Alright, well let's watch that video for the 500th [00:21:00] time.

Right. But, but microdosing kind of lets you sit with that and be like, yeah, I can find the charm in this. I can find the, your joy in this. I can be in this moment more with you than in my, oh my God, if this song plays one more time, I'm going to, you know, bang my head against the wall.

Tracey Tee: Yeah. I'll also offer, yes.

And I wish I had it when my kid was like, and you know, I find it took me years to admit that I hate doing crafts. Fricking hate it. I hate it. And so it's just like, but then there's this guilt, like, not a crafty mom. Okay. I not a crafty mom. Okay. Everyone. Um, and, but then there's this guilt around it, like I should.

So I also think that microdosing also offers you this understanding, and this is what we work a lot, work on, a lot in Mom, is like your values and what you care about and what you believe in. And then it allows you to be empowered to say, no, I'm actually not gonna do that. You can go play by yourself or with your brother and sister.

And there's so many mothers who are afraid to say no, or afraid to pass [00:22:00] on an opportunity that's feeling tedious or that they simply don't have the time to do because they think they're gonna ruin their child's childhood forever. And there's a lot of empowerment in having boundaries with your children too.

And you don't know that until you get to the core of your heart. And that's what market roasting microdosing can do too.

Carla Dechon: So tell us about Mom. Tell us what moms can discover and learn there and talk about. Let's talk about the different levels of learning that are available. There's the Grow and the garden.

Mm-hmm. And, and I just wanna say that I, I, I joined mom and, but I hesitated for a long time because I'm a stepmom and a grandma. But not a mother. And I didn't raise children. I mean, I've, they've been in my life for 20 years, but I did not raise them. And, but you totally welcomed me in. Yeah. Uh, so I just wanna clarify that step moms absolutely.

Count. Yes. So, and I also really appreciate the Garden, which is the more advanced group because of the level of questions the communities asking. They're just really thoughtful and engaging and heartfelt and it's, you've just created a really safe space for moms to [00:23:00] learn and grow and, uh, and not just with mushrooms, garden members.

Yeah. They're engaging with all kinds of medicines. Yeah. So tell us about, you started Mom with what the, what you call the grow, and then you have grown now into the garden. Tell us about the evolution of mom and what's in there for women.

Tracey Tee: Yeah. So I really, I really wanted a garden for mothers to be able to grow something off social media that was safe and private without prying eyes.

Um, and I had this vision that like, if we could just talk about the things we were afraid to talk about, like we could figure it out together. I mean, I really mad respect to like Paul stats and Fatman and stuff, but I just don't think we need another dude in a coat like telling us how to dose plant medicines at all.

And so I, I felt like if we could just find a way to give ourselves permission to talk about our intuition and ask questions about mushrooms and microdosing, that, that it would soften, it would, you know, [00:24:00] help with this, the destigmatization. Um, and so, and then I also think, I also was very aware that we don't know what we don't know.

And it's really hard to get good information and America does one thing really well, which is like, go full ham on a trend and just blow it out of proportion, like somehow at the, you, like minimize it and explode it at the same time. And there's just so much nuance to just mushrooms, let alone all the other medicines.

But there's so much nuance and we don't understand intention. We don't have any cultural understanding of, of ceremony, or any of, or even ritual. All of these are trigger words for a lot of people and very, um, they feel very far away. And so I just wanted a place where we could explore that. So, and then I also just wanted a place where people could get good information.

So the grow is kind of like the beginner level come in. It's like Facebook for moms on shrooms. You can post, you can connect with other moms. And then there's just tons and tons of [00:25:00] resources. Listen to these podcasts because I listen to them for you through the lens of being a mom. Read these studies, because I read them for you through the lens of being a mom.

Empower yourself with knowledge. So there's not a ton of handholding, but there is a lot of information that's like good. And it's, I think it's gonna be valid for most mothers. And then we, like in the, this last year evolved into a deeper secondary tier, um, which is called the Garden, which is really kind of my core vision of like devoted medicine, mothers coming together who are just craving community and just want a place to go.

Like I said, just go deeper, talk about all the medicines, talk about all the practices, talk about your struggles, and really go there. Because I know in my own life, if I didn't have my spiritual sisters, I wouldn't, I don't know where I would be. And that core community is so important, but not everybody has those people in their lives.

So the garden is that place and it also is a place for us to keep learning together. And it's been really beautiful. I [00:26:00] love it so much. And it's, uh, we get to gather more. We have circles. All different sorts of things, and it's really a co-creation of a community, which is exciting. And then outside that we offer courses, beginner courses, intermediate courses, and then I have a lot of like downloadable information for busy moms.

So if you just want to understand what the hell microdosing is, you can just get a PDF if you want. All the studies that I've ever found about pregnancy and breastfeeding and, and psychedelics, you can download it and like, at least, you know, they have 'em all in one place. So lots of easy resources and, and God willing will expand.

And you know, my real goal is to just have more in-person gatherings and really build that community aspects. So moms feel safe to talk about medicine.

Carla Dechon: Well, you, I, one of the things about the grow is that you're not just a psychedelic educator, you are a divine feminine educator. And I'm, I'm taking your course in mom called Sacred Archetypes, which is fabulous.

And so tell us what, what, tell us about Sacred Archetypes [00:27:00] and the inspiration behind creating.

Tracey Tee: Oh, I mean that came from sacred Archetypes is sort of my answer to my medicine. Like, it's like my expression of my medicine practice. The deeper I go with my own process and my own work. It's unavoidable to, you don't like the ladies show up for you whether you want to or not.

And you know, one pivotal journey I had, I was just, you know, both from my guide, my guide who was guiding me and my own guides, I was really shown. Like the maid and the mother and the crone, and then my guide and her wisdom really explained it to me in that moment. And just the transitions that we go from being young and free and childless into this mother space, whether you have kids or you're growing a career, but just sort of that mom energy.

And then moving into the crone energy and how brutal those transitions can be and how destabilizing one can be if [00:28:00] she enters into a new phase without leaving behind the other one, which allowed me to start really listening to the miss and the folklore that surrounds us. And I find it, you know, it was reading women who run with wolves and just seeing how we've been trying to tell each other these stories for lifetimes, and if you apply it to an intentional practice.

I think that's when life gets really magical and you don't feel so alone. Even if you don't have like an intense spiritual friend group, you can lean on these stories and then you can look at the messages that pop culture, even in today's, tries to give back to us and you can really use it to frame who you are and who you are in this world.

It might be like my greatest life's work. Like I, if I could go back to college and just study all of that again, I would, and I think. We, many people don't want, you know, understand that this feminine energy has come back to our planet [00:29:00] at this time. And we're trying to understand what it means. Like we've talked about this in our class, like what patriarchy really means without hating men and dismissing men and acting like men.

Um, but also saying like, here's the ramifications of this top down logic based world and it's, it's dying off. And what do we wanna usher in and how, and that's a big struggle for me. How do I embody in leadership? How do I lead from a circle? How do I share from a circle and, and have a business from a circle?

You know, there's not a lot of guidance in that. And um, so I wanna explore it within mom.

Carla Dechon: Well, and we, you talk about the maiden mother and crone journey and in, in that course we've been talking about, and I've been talking about that it's not linear. No, uh uh, because like the mom energy is in the crone energy because of the, you know, you're, you're a grandmother, uh, or maybe not, but still, you're still still that nurturing energy is there.

I, um. As I, as I said, I'm a stepmom, so I didn't birth [00:30:00] children, so, you know, I, I have more of a resonance with, with the maiden and the chrome, which is where I am at this point. But, you know, I'm still very much party eater. I'm still, I haven't left my maiden behind. I love it. And that's, that's good, right?

Like, you don't have to be, and then I put away all, all childish things, all partying, all recreational, uh, medicine use. It's like, no, I haven't and I don't intend to. And that is that maiden energy. And yet, you know, I'm also not partying like I was in my twenties, although it's. Burning man there. Things like that's, you know, that that energy is, is still present.

And I, and I really appreciate it. And it, and, and absolutely it takes a harder toll on my body and I need more, uh, recovery days afterwards. And so there's, there's a reality of partying like a maiden when you're actually in a body.

Tracey Tee: Yeah, but I, yes, of course. I mean, there's a reality of like, I, you know, if I just look at a glass of wine these days, I'm like under.

But [00:31:00] also I find that is it really made in energy or is it embodied crone energy? Right? Because when you party with wisdom, you know your why. And we talk about this a lot in mom too. Like, what is your why? And women just don't know their why for a lot of things. Why do you wanna lose weight? Why do you wanna get the Botox?

No judgment, just no why? And if you can't get to that, why, and you're just doing it out of fear or pressure. Maybe sit it out for a minute until you can get into the core. And so like partying with that. Why underneath that it's embodied, that you understand the meaning of pleasure, you understand the meaning of play.

I didn't know those things when I was in my maiden years. I was like partying to, I don't even know why. So it seems like it's, it's gonna be just much more fun the older you get and the more wisdom you carry and

Carla Dechon: Well, it is, I've been in the psychedelic world for over 40 years. My first decade was all recreational and you know, a lot of it was just, yes, we're gonna go to this club, we're gonna dance, we're gonna, whatever.

But there was so much intentional [00:32:00] sacred recreating as one of my friends calls it, even in my twenties, that I learned how to throw, uh, you know, a, I learned how to throw psychedelic events and parties and gatherings that, that had that intention, that had that connection, that learned how to layer medicines, learned how to, you know, stand upright and connect while high.

And they were, it was, it was a great master course in, in mastering the medicines on that level. Then I met my teacher, and then I was started realizing, oh, there's a whole nother layer here. But I've never let go of that sacred recreating because it was, it, it was so important to me at the time. And, and, uh, my friends are still in that, in that, uh, appreciation of pleasure and play and connection, and that is our why around it.

Tracey Tee: I'm honestly jealous because I just didn't have that. I just, I've always had a crushing guilt complex. I've always been afraid that God was gonna like, send me straight to hell. And so shedding that is, I'm still, I can lean into the [00:33:00] sacredness and the ceremony of the medicines because it brings me back to God and it's like slowly sloughing away that guilt complex.

But like, for example, my husband and I have been working with MDMA and it's, I mean, as you know, just, uh, you know, saved our marriage and we didn't even know it to be saving. I mean, it's. Unbelievably transformative. It has, it is our, brought us so much closer. And I've been married for 23 years, like you think, I mean, how much more can I know about a man?

But all apparently a lot. And, and so we have these deep, deep, cathartic clearing evenings together when we do what we do at every solstice and equinox. And I'm like, when are we just gonna like party? You know? Like why does this medicine have to be so damn serious all the time? And I'm waiting for us to get through this, you know, these layers that have held us back that we didn't get to recreate Psychedelically so that we can just have a great fricking time.[00:34:00] 

And I know that's coming, but I'm not in that season and I'm just, I'm a little sad about it 'cause I didn't get that

Carla Dechon: it was. You know, it's, it's one of the things that I, that it's one of the reasons what I'm, why I'm doing the podcast is that I don't want these medicines to be relegated to medicine. Okay.

I don't want them to be relegated to you have a diagnosis and then you're gonna go and you're gonna have this very intense session and you're gonna have this therapeutic experience, all beautiful, all wonderful. Mm-hmm. All very important. Mm-hmm. But, you know, that's just like seeing one very small part of what the medicines have to have to share.

And I think that the, that place of sacred recreating is an important place. And it's also, you know, it's why I have that safety guide that you guys keep hearing about. Uh, it's that place where it's that slippery and bad, mis bad mistakes are made, and you really need to know what you're doing. Because if you're out in the world or you're upright or you're doing, you don't know your dose or you're in the wrong setting, it is where everything goes sideways.

So it is not just, I [00:35:00] think it's an important place to explore it in play, and you really, really need to know. What you're doing, who you're with, what your dose is, where you got the medicine, you know, all of those things because that's where so many things go wrong, and that's where, that's where the medicines have gotten their bad reputation.

Hey, fellow explorers, dfa planning and preparation is the foundation of any successful psychedelic journey, and if something does go wrong, knowing how to navigate that difficult space is essential. That's why I wrote my Psychedelic Safety Guide, including what to do when things go wrong. It's filled with tips and tools for keeping you and your friends as safe as possible.

You'll find it at our website, psychedelic divas.com. Please go get it, read it, and share it. The more we all know, the safer we can keep each other.

Tracey Tee: Yeah. I'm [00:36:00] curious about that because I'm also, to be perfectly frank, you know, in the space that we're in, I do see a lot of, I don't even know if it's recreating or if it's just like, people are just like constantly high. And I think this is a unique thing that mom and women who are still in their child raising just have children at home that we can offer to the space.

Because you simply, I just simply can't do, I just can't do that. Like my Friday nights are right now, just, I'm like sit at home waiting to be told where I'm driving with my kid, you know? And there's just, it's not to say that I, I can't and don't have fun, but I'm just seeing like a pervasive daily, you know, layering of multiple substances that with people and I'm just like.

That's not good. It makes me concerned.

Carla Dechon: Yeah. And you should be. Yeah. Yeah. And there's, yeah, there's lots of reasons. And that's again, why I created this podcast. 'cause I, I, I wanna talk about the good, the bad and the ugly and mm-hmm. And more. The [00:37:00] most, my number one reason, my mission for this is to keep people safe.

Yeah. And, and so to provide the information to help them make good decisions. And I, I, I was lucky there was, I can tell some stories of that could have gone really sideways with some of my early medicine use. And I, I, you know, someone was guiding me. It was, I, I lucked out, you know? Yeah. I slid, I slid through that and I wanna teach that.

Right. I wanna teach. Don't do that.

Tracey Tee: Don't do that. Yeah. I mean, I think do

Carla Dechon: this and don't do that are the two me, the two me missions of my, of my podcast. That's your t-shirt. Do this, don't do that. Right.

Tracey Tee: No, I get it. And it's so funny because I've had. Hundreds of those experiences drunk as hell. And nobody talks about that really.

You know, and you just kind of learn like, well, I'm mixed and now I'm throwing up, you know, in the back alley and that's okay. Or I blacked out and everyone laughs about it and that's okay. But oh my gosh. Like, [00:38:00] talk about guardian angels looking over me in my college in twenties, you know? And the other thing I wanted to say, which I think is really interesting in this space, particular and then in life, like outside, and this is a lot of the unlearning that I wanna offer, I get, and Dr.

Phil cult like, didn't like this answer. 'cause I, I often compare alcohol to psychedelics in the conversation because it's the only basis of understanding of an altered state that our collective culture, Western culture understands. Because it's everywhere you can do anything with it. Nobody questions it.

It's at every event. It's on every street corner and nobody asks. It's in every movie, TV show, whatever. Nobody thinks twice about someone just being a functioning, you know, drinking all day long or anything, or anything of that. So I always bring it into the conversation as a comparison, even though they're nothing alike.

And we've allowed, again, we've given permission to have fun being inebriated with [00:39:00] alcohol, yet we've demonized having fun with psychedelics, which is the camp that I am trying to leave. And also then when you move into the spiritual space, because of, of especially Americans, like we blow everything up. So then the spiritual and the psychedelic space, if you're going through a healing journey, gets so serious.

Yes. And then we think that we're not allowed to have fun as part of our healing, which I know you know more about this than me. I think it just comes from this obsession with suffering and this like Judeo-Christian belief system that, that we're not allowed, like one can't help the other. And that's an interesting transition because, and I can fall into it like this monk-like mindset, which just isn't healthy either.

I mean, we're humans.

Carla Dechon: Well, all of that. And you think we just talk about like going back to the, you know, hundreds of millions of doses of, of just sim of just LSD alone? Yeah. And. You know, how many deaths [00:40:00] have, have we heard about? Uh, except for, of course, art Link Lit's daughter. And I'm, I don't mean to make light of, of her death.

That actually was, that was really tragic. Right. Of course. Um, but as I said, more, more aligned with, um, some, uh, with deeper psychological issues. But how many deaths are associated, like, billions and billions started with alcohol, right?

Tracey Tee: 420 a day in America. Four 20 people die a day in America. Yeah. 'cause of alcohol.

Carla Dechon: And now they're, they're coming, they're coming out and they're like, actually, actually, you know, for a while there it was like, oh, red wine's good for you. And so we were all like, yes, yeah, I am onboard with this, all that. Yeah. And now that is not true. And we're like, oh, okay. Once again. And it's, it's the now highly, highly linked to cancer.

Yeah. It's like, okay, fine. But. Psychedelics

Tracey Tee: are not, they're not, they're just not like they're anti all of that. They're anti addictive, you know, most of 'em like, and like, help with these [00:41:00] things. Anti-inflammatory for Pete's sakes. Like, it's not alcohol.

Carla Dechon: So we have a long way to go as we know. Um, yeah. Uh, in our, in our particular society and, and actually in the world.

'cause I think a lot of the world follows where America is. Mm-hmm. Uh, but you know, but things are changing. And you, um, you know, you say that you live in decriminalize Colorado, so people are now allowed to grow and consume psilocybin and psilocybin mushrooms. And uh, obviously that provides a level of safety for you, you live in, since you live in Colorado.

But I'm curious, so you have a teenage daughter. Mm-hmm. Uh, so tell us what you tell her about drug use and when did you start that conversation?

Tracey Tee: Um, we started it as soon as she was like, actively reading. And because we live in Colorado and cannabis is legal. If you live in Denver, there are dispensaries and billboards for dispensaries everywhere.

So when she [00:42:00] could start reading, you know, in the car, she'd be like, what's green Man? You know, can ba you know, like, and so, so we, so first we've just, she, we have a kiddo that just is like, she's just one of those kids you can't lie to. She's just never, I mean, I told her about in Santa Claus, like really early.

Oh. Because she just, she was figuring it out. Yeah. But it wasn't fair, you know, it broke my heart. I cried for weeks. But it, and also, and I just wanna say too, even though I'm angry about alcohol, I'm still not a teetotaler. I just know my why, you know? And I just don't think any of this like extreme on either way is healthy mindset.

So I don't have any judgment with people who drink. Again, just no know why. So. That being said, I drink far less than I used to. Yes. I mean, and but she grew up with me taking her into the wine store, into the liquor store and buying stuff for Sunday dinner when my family was coming over or afternoon play dates when I was meeting up with my girlfriends.

And so she's always been around alcohol. So we would just, my husband and I were just like, why would we [00:43:00] not come clean about psychedelics when she knows these other things? And it again, I just didn't seem right to lie to her. So, you know, we did it age appropriate, but she was about nine and she was reading obviously before that, but like she was, when she was starting to understand the world.

And that was about when I started Mom too. She was about nine years old and I just kind of just started explaining it as medicine. 'cause she would hear me talking about microdosing and she would hear me talking about, you know, a supplement I was taking or if I had to take antibiotics for something. So we just sort of applied it in the same way.

And as she's grown up, she's heard me talk about it a bunch of times and. I've just been really honest. It's just sort of out there for her. And so if I'm going to do a journey, she knows that I'm going to do a journey. And one of my proudest moments was I was driving her to school. She was probably in like fifth grade and she said, I know that that your journey is probably a really private thing, but [00:44:00] if you ever wanted to tell me about it, I'd love to hear.

Oh. And I was just like, oh my gosh. Like that. You understood both of those things, you know? And then I, we often use, like, we love, we have Friday night movie nights, like our family church. And so if we come across a movie that's psychedelic or like has those themes of like that, okay, this is you guys, like this is literally someone just creating a journey.

Um, or this is like very psychedelic mindset. So she's just sort of learns that way. Then now that she's in high school, I'm a little bit more forceful with it. But I also have nieces and nephews that I'm close with. And like before my niece went off to college, I mean, I really sat her down and Evie was there listening and I was like, look, if it's between alcohol, weed, and mushrooms at a party and you wanna take something, take the mushroom, watch your dose of, well, of course.

But like, you know, there's so much danger with alcohol, especially with young women. I mean, I had to tell, you know, like it's not like her parents weren't telling her this, but I had [00:45:00] to repeat like, don't drink anything that someone gives you. People get roofied. It's just so scary. And. And so really teaching what to be afraid of or what to be cautious of and what not to be afraid of, but then mindful of, and even, even weed, I mean, here in Colorado, the cannabis, the dispensaries, it's so strong.

Carla Dechon: Yes.

Tracey Tee: You know? So I had to say like, if someone's giving you an edible, you really need to understand how edibles work. And you need to ask about the dose, and you need to look at the container, and you need to make sure that there's nothing else in it. And like, so I'm kind of in that teaching more like harm reduction mode now.

Mm-hmm. Now. And I just don't, I, I'm never gonna stop because that's, there's a lot of, a lot of harm. And you know, the funny thing is, I say this all the time, like, if you really are concerned about your kid doing drugs. Work in the psychedelic space. My daughter is so bored about hearing me talk about psychedelics.

Like she probably will never do them just out of spite because I'm her mom. It's like trying to teach your kid how to swim. They don't, they won't do [00:46:00] it if you teach them. So there's that.

Carla Dechon: Well, I'm curious, so it is Colorado and obviously there's the decrim and it's a, it's a, it's a more liberal perspective, but have you had any pushback from moms of your daughter's friends?

Has anyone said they don't want their kid to play with your daughter as a result of your advocacy?

Tracey Tee: No, not one. I am constantly, and I do carry that like fear, right? Like she's at a new high school now and I'm not gonna just show up with like whatever a mushroom sweatshirt on or something. And I, you know, I watch my emails 'cause I don't wanna put anyone in it, feel like they're in a bad position.

But when moms learn about what I do, it's always a lean in. Always, whether it's, oh my gosh, I'm just curious, or Oh my gosh, I've been thinking about it, or Oh my gosh, it saved my life. Like, those are the three answers. It's never, oh my gosh, I'm sorry. She can't come over on Saturday. Never. Not once. Awesome.[00:47:00] 

Yeah. So, and we really don't even get a lot of trolls even on social. I don't get a lot of pushback in general. I'm constantly surprised. Wow.

Carla Dechon: That's, that's, that's amazing. Yeah. Um, and you have a strong social presence, so that's, yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, let's talk about, I think so much of the feminine journey is about the body and mm-hmm.

Your body has certainly had quite the journey. You had fertility issues, you've had a hysterectomy, which dropped you into early menopause. So I'm curious, what have you learned about the body, about connecting and knowing your body through psychedelics?

Tracey Tee: Hmm. I finally learned about my body, like I. I do, I've had a history of, I always call myself reproductively challenged, so I don't, I think between being my, I think I was 25 when I had my first surgery, I had a cyst the size of a cantaloupe removed from one of my ovaries.

And I've, I, there [00:48:00] was four years where I had a surgery every single year for something going wrong, including an emergency appendectomy. I mean, the list goes on and on. Suffice to say I've left my body more than I've stayed in it for obvious traumatic reasons. And the one beautiful thing I think this medicine does is it can really drop you into your.

To feeling your body if you allow yourself to do it. And um, which is why I really like microdosing for mothers because it's a gentle easing in, and you can really create that relationship with the medicine on your own terms, like without being destabilized. But a lot of moms at the very beginning find that they're very tired or very ragey or very sad.

And I always say one of the beautiful things that mushrooms in particular does is kind of align your gut, your heart and your brain. And they all start to listen to each other maybe for the first time ever. And so what I found when I started working with it, it when my brain finally [00:49:00] started hearing the messages that my body was sending it, it was just how tired.

I was like, tired, I'm still tired, I'm still resting from like. My, you know, my twenties and my thirties just overexerting and even half my forties. And it's like, you can't ignore those messages once you finally have ears to hear. And so I think it's a beautiful way to start giving compassion and nourishment to your body because the medicine just opens up channels that just allow you to say, no, that doesn't feel good.

And so that's why a lot of women find that they don't like the same foods that they used to eat, whether it's junk food or sugar or caffeine or alcohol or cigarettes or whatever. It just doesn't, it's like you can't ignore it anymore. And it's, I think it's really the first step to healing. And then from there you can go much, much deeper.

Carla Dechon: And I mean, I've, I've also learned so much from my own body and, [00:50:00] and, and healing. Like I've been able to, I've been able to move through, manipulate my body out of chronic pain places, uh, using the medicine and tuning into, you know, exactly how to, how to move and how to, you know, stretch and how to like, just re reet my pelvis so that I'm, I'm balanced and not, you know, I was, I was doing.

Bikram yoga for a while and you know, because it's hot, you can, you're going deeper. Yeah. But I was out of balance. My pelvis was outta balance and so I was harming myself. Yeah. 'cause I was going deeper than on one side than the other. And so it really started bringing my awareness to needing to, to do these internal adjustments.

Right. I don't want to, you don't wanna, I don't wanna go to a chiropractor. So learning how to, to move and stretch and realign the medicine has taught me that. And it's been, it's been a really powerful somatic experience for me.

Tracey Tee: Mm-hmm.

Carla Dechon: Uh, people are always laughing, you know, my friends are always like, oh God, there she goes again.

'cause I'm like, I'm sort of moving and,[00:51:00] 

but I don't have a lot of body pain and I'm, I'm, you know, I'm in my mid sixties and I've gone through a lot of pain, a lot of body pain. So I know, I know what it's like to have it. And I don't, I don't have a lot of that anymore. I don't have, I had sciatica for a while. I don't have that.

Tracey Tee: That's beautiful.

And there's two things I think, key components there that like, I think are really helpful. A, you gave yourself permission to follow your instinct, and that's a huge one, right? Like women, mothers are so afraid of their gut instincts that they ignore them. And so you don't move in this certain way because you think, oh, it's gonna be wrong, or Oh, it's I'm going to hurt myself or I'm not allowed to.

And then two is kind of following up, like following through with it and then doing the thing. And that's beautiful. And then, and like believing that you can heal yourself without dogma essentially. And I think that's a lot of unlearning that women have to do as well. [00:52:00] Like we can do, we can figure this out on our own,

Carla Dechon: but it's scary.

Well, there's so, there's, there's so much inner wisdom of trust in your body. And I'm all for, for the Western medical. Yeah. Like absolutely sure. Like go, go Western. But then, you know, why not also bring in Eastern? And then also most importantly. Tap into your own intuition, your own inner knowingness, what's what it feels right there.

If they say, oh, you're fine. There's nothing there and you, it doesn't feel right, keep, find another doctor. Like, keep going. Get another test. Yeah. You know, don't let it be like, yes, I brought this up four years ago and now I have stage four cancer. Right.

Tracey Tee: I know. Yeah, it's so true. And just because someone tells you to do it this way, it doesn't a, it doesn't always mean that it's gonna work.

And Yeah, the ability to, I think that's probably one of the most profound things the medicine is done is just like, you know, decalcified my perennial gland and, and helped my third eye come back online, but then that connection back down to my heart [00:53:00] so that I trust it. You know, I love, I always say like, you know, I love how the chakras are like supported by each other.

You know, you have one on the bottom and one of the top, so they're always helping each other out. And if I didn't have my heart giving the correct messages up through my third eye to my brain. I wouldn't know what to believe. And so you have to leave the mind to go into that. And you can't do that. It takes it's, it takes training in like practice.

It's like building a muscle. Yeah. And then when, then you can get into the somatic stuff. But it's really scary to trust yourself with your body.

Carla Dechon: It is. It's unfortunately, and, and we've heard so many stories of, well of both ways. Right. Of like, I just knew, I kept pushing and we've heard the opposite, you know, really, really sad stories.

I knew, but they didn't listen. Yep. So. Alright. Well, when we talked previously before the podcast, I was acknowledging that you chose an incredibly difficult psychedelic niche, you know, moms. Um, so what's been hard about getting your message across to moms and what's been surprisingly easy?[00:54:00] 

Tracey Tee: I think the hardest part is the fear. Mm-hmm. Of people. I think fear is my biggest block. Fear of. Jail, fear of harm from the medicine. And then most upsettingly, fear of change, right? What would happen if I spoke my truth? What would happen if I expressed my anger, my grief? What would happen if I allowed myself to be happy?

Would I lose all control? It's so ingrained in in, in us as women and as mothers. And so I'm constantly trying to figure out a way to get past the fear. Okay, is it, do you need more education? Do you need more proof? Okay, here's this. Do you need more anecdotal? Okay, here's this. Do you just need to talk?

Okay, let's do that. You know? And so the fear is the big part. I think that's it. And then legalization, frankly, you know, mothers can't afford to break the law a lot, like openly, and so. [00:55:00] There's, especially if you're a single mom, if you've been divorced, I mean, I've had women say, I'm dying to do something with you, but I simply cannot have an association with you and I get it.

Nope. Totally get it.

Carla Dechon: Nope. Lose your kids. Have, have your kids, have a, have an angry ex come after you. Nope.

Tracey Tee: Yeah. It's so true. And, and, or I'd love to do something with you, but I'm a teacher and I'm afraid, or I'm a nurse. Mm-hmm. Or I work mm-hmm. In federal, you know, like it's, I got a license on, on, I hear it.

Yep. Yeah, I hear it all the time. Mm-hmm. I hear it all the time. And what's been surprisingly easy, despite fear, the inherent understanding that this could and might be the right path. So there's just a real beautiful openness and curiosity from mothers. I think when you've, especially if you've tried a bunch of things, nothing's kind of been working, or you've been on a spiritual journey, or you're just.

Your soul. You can't ignore the, the messages that your soul, like there's just [00:56:00] something more out there. There's something that you're ready to break through to. And when they hear those messages, the me, the idea of the medicine really resonates. And it just, it's like, it's not really a big deal yet.

They're afraid to Right. Try it. But they're, the resonance is there. So that's the easy part. And then, oh, this is what I was gonna say. And then the other fear is fear of women. Like the sister wound is real. Oh. And so we have a lot of group courses and that was designed for a reason. But oftentimes people won't sign up because of trauma from group courses, judgment from other women, judgment from other mothers.

And there's, they've just never really had a safe space. And the understanding of community in this country especially is. It doesn't exist really. And so trying to rebuild that safe space and assure people that we may not get it right all the time, but there's not gonna be any intentional harm done here.

And it's not flippant. We're here, we're we [00:57:00] care. That's a big one too. And so once people get through that and they experience it, then they're all in.

Carla Dechon: We both share a love of building community. Mm-hmm. And I'm just curious, where did that desire come from for you?

Tracey Tee: I would say, I don't know. I think it's kind of always been in me.

I think I've just, I was just born a hippie. I always, I've been talking about living on a compound since I was like 15. Like I always that it just like made sense to me that we needed to work together, that I don't need to rely on like the government or something to provide for me that we can do it ourselves.

Um, and it's like, I mean, even my parents would joke like, oh my gosh, stop talking about a compound. So I, I think it's just always been in me. But then again, going back to the Pump Andum show. Seeing what, just witnessing being on stage and witnessing the community that is formed in a live comedy setting.

And when there's just nothing, like being able to laugh together and hearing a room of laughter, the coherence that that [00:58:00] creates is literal magic and literal drugs. And so I just, I've just been sh it's been shown to me how important it is. And then on my own spiritual journey, I just really realized that community is also about vulnerability and relying on others where your weaknesses are, their strengths.

Understanding that it's not a loss of control or power, but rather a strengthening of everyone. And when you understand that and you can lean on other people and receive and give, we talk a lot. I do these meditations just about like giving and receiving and it's something as simple as like understanding that a tree gives you.

Oxygen and you give back to the tree, the CO2, and there's, it's just not a big deal. That I think is just something we have to learn Again, we've just forgotten it

Carla Dechon: along with so many things. All right. So for those women out there who are craving community, obviously joining [00:59:00] Mom would be your first recommendation, but what recommendations would you have for women who wanna build in-person psychedelic community?

Tracey Tee: Hmm. I would say don't overthink it. We are very influenced by social media and this obsession with perfection, and you don't have to have a Pinterest perfect gathering. You can just ask. You can just start going on Friday walks, and you can just be the one who asks the bigger questions. See where that conversation goes.

You can have a potluck, you can meet for coffee. It doesn't have to be a big deal. It doesn't have to have a fancy invitation or a set agenda. Just gather and start talking and keep vulnerability and keep the medicine at the center and see where it goes. And it usually will pleasantly surprise you. And from there you might have an online community that's international, you know, [01:00:00] suddenly, suddenly

Carla Dechon: you're on Dr.

Phil justifying suddenly you're for drug abuse. Exactly.

Tracey Tee: Yeah. I just think it doesn't have to, it doesn't even have to look like church, you know? It can just be, it can be simple and sometimes less is more. So you don't need 50 people, it can be three or just one other woman that you can just speak to. I was speaking to my niece who's 19 and in college and even she's struggling with the same thing.

She's like. I just don't know if I can, I have friends that I can talk to and ask the big questions and she's asking those questions and she doesn't know where to talk to, you know, she talks to me about it, but like, she doesn't need to talk to her crusty aunt, she's talked to kids her age. And I said, call it in, you know, organize it yourself.

And we're just, we don't give ourselves permission for that kind of risk. And it's so easy.

Carla Dechon: And, you know, and that, I think that's, that is what I was doing in my twenties with that sacred recreating, you know? I, I know

Tracey Tee: and I love that. Like I, that's it. Like I love that. And it's such a different energy than what is now, because now it's just [01:01:00] party and it's last man standing race to the finish line who can get the most shit faced, truly.

And even in my, when I was in college in the nineties, and I was a theater kid, so like, and my husband and I were laughing the other morning and we were talking about like, do you remember all those crazy nights? We used to like, sit around drinking pizano out of a jug, just like talking about the universe and stuff, and sort of precious, amazing.

Important times. And it's, I don't wanna say it doesn't happen, but it feels like it's happening less

Carla Dechon: well. And I'll also say that you can create a, a Microdosing hiking meetup group, wherever you are. Totally. And I also wanna give a shout out to the psychedelic communities that are, um, you can put your city in and psychedelic community and see if there's one, or you can start one.

But I also really wanna promote the global psychedelic community, which is sort of the hub for all of the local psychedelic communities. So start there. Go to the global psychedelic community. Put your, your city in. See, see what's around [01:02:00] you. And if it's not around you start one.

Tracey Tee: Totally. And a personal plug inside the grow, we have over 50 glocal subgroups, you know, based on where everyone is, all over the, you know, in seven countries in almost every state.

And so just. Do the hard thing and, and start it up. Ask where people are and say, we're meeting here on this day, and see where it takes you. So yeah, it's possible.

Carla Dechon: I like that. So I think that with that, we're gonna bring this fabulous conversation to an end. Oh, I wanna say one thing. I, I started this and said that I was so curious about, you know, who was your PR team and what has come to me is that your PR team is the universe.

Yeah. Yeah. It's the medicine,

Tracey Tee: it's just the shrooms.

Carla Dechon: They have Oh, they have been an amazing, uh, representative for you. So,

Tracey Tee: no, and it, it helps again with that crushing guilt complex. It helps me very much to alchemize the media because I just know it's not about me. Right? Like I was given a job, they were very clear and [01:03:00] I'm just, wait.

I wake up every day and I'm like, okay, what do you want me to do? And there's a lot of relief in that. Because it's just not about me. So,

Carla Dechon: yeah. And we've talked a lot about guidance, uh, psychedelic guidance in this episode. So I wanna give a plug to, uh, the episode right before this one, episode 26, and we're 25, whatever you guys can find it.

And it's, um, how to connect with your guides. So it's a little bit, it's my, it's a solo episode where I'm actually teaching. 'cause so many people who don't, they're like, I don't know, I don't have guides. I don't understand what I, what are you guys talking about? So there's a little bit of a primer in, in that episode.

So check that one out as well. Absolutely. Yeah. All right. Tracey, thank you so much for being part of Psychedelic Divas. Uh, tell people how they can find you and mom.

Tracey Tee: Uh, moms on mushrooms.com. Most everything is there. And, uh, if you wanna do the social route, we're really just on Instagram. Mom's on Mushrooms Official and it's just us moms running Mom.

Uh, [01:04:00] we're a small team. It's, if it's not me, it's a couple other moms reading emails and stuff and, uh, reach out. We are here to help. So would love to happen. That's great.

Carla Dechon: And are you doing YouTube? 'cause I, there was, I know that sometimes you get, you get, you're very frustrated because you get knocked off of Instagram on a regular basis.

I do. And so now you're like, okay, fine, I'm gonna go, I'm moving to YouTube and, uh, you've had some longer form videos. There is. That's a place that you're gonna continue to show me first. Yeah.

Tracey Tee: Thanks Carla for putting the mirror up to my shadow. Um, yes, I would love to. I am resistant.

Carla Dechon: Yeah. I

Tracey Tee: think it's hard.

Oh, I don't

Carla Dechon: understand that at all.

Tracey Tee: I know it's hard. It's, I think it's the, it's. Probably the tech part, just the uploading of the video and like getting it right and my own, you know, need for perfection that I've really been working to shed and just like throw stuff up there and I still deal with like, who the hell am I?

Just tell anybody anything.

Carla Dechon: Well, you're Tracey T, founder of Mom's on Mushrooms.

Tracey Tee: Yeah. Well sometimes she just, Tracey [01:05:00] just wants to take a nap or read a book. So, and, and that's exactly what Tracey should do.

Carla Dechon: So,

Tracey Tee: yeah, no, I, I think I will, I don't know how much time I have left in me with Instagram, to be perfectly honest.

Mm-hmm. It's like sucking the life force out of me. Yes. And I'm feeling very, I'm getting messages like, yeah. So it's evil. We'll see. It's evil

Carla Dechon: but necessary at the moment, so. Yeah. All right. Well, I hope to see some of you, um, in the Garden at Mom. I've been totally enjoying the community, and thank you all for listening.

The podcast is growing and that is because of you. So thanks for sharing, reviewing, talking about it with your friends. It is making a difference, and I am, I am more willing to have it come out of the shadows myself, so, uh, that is also making a difference. Mm-hmm. Uh, so you can follow us on Instagram at psychedelic divas.

And also just to note that I'm only gonna do one podcast each in November and December due to all the holiday craziness and travel, but we'll be back to every other week in [01:06:00] 2026. So thank you everyone for being part of this growth journey. I'll see you next time. And thank you again, Tracey.

Tracey Tee: Thank you so much.

Carla Dechon: Thanks for listening. If you enjoyed this episode, it would mean so much if you would take the time to subscribe and give us a five star review. Of course, if you didn't love it, feel free to skip that part. You can find all the details about our guests and show notes on our beautiful website, psychedelic divas.com.

And while you're there, be sure to grab my psychedelic safety guide, including what to do when things go Wrong. The song you hear is Ohm Monte po by Suzanne Sterling and Christopher Crocky. I look forward to growing [01:07:00] together.