In this thought-provoking and deeply personal episode of Sex, Psychics, Psychedelics, host Jane Garnett sits down with Tracey Tee, the visionary behind Moms on Mushrooms. They dive into the heart of a growing movement—mothers exploring microdosing as a means of self-discovery, healing, and reconnection.
Tracey shares the journey that led her to plant medicine, from navigating motherhood, personal crises, and the cultural expectations surrounding what it means to be a "good mom." With humor and raw honesty, she addresses the skepticism around psychedelics, particularly when it comes to mothers, and how mainstream media struggles with the topic. The conversation peels back layers of stigma, shedding light on how microdosing can serve as a tool for emotional balance, self-compassion, and deepening parental connection.
Together, Jane and Tracey explore generational healing, the evolving role of mothers in society, and how psychedelics can offer a new lens through which to experience motherhood—not as a rigid performance, but as a fluid, intuitive journey. From Tracey’s first transformative mushroom experience to building a thriving community of mothers, this episode is a testament to the power of support, curiosity, and breaking free from outdated narratives.
Tune in for a compelling discussion on parenting, personal growth, and the revolutionary potential of mushrooms in shaping the future of motherhood.
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[00:00:00] Jane Garnett: Welcome to Sex Psychics Psychedelics. I'm Jane Garnett, licensed psychotherapist, and I'm here to accelerate your personal growth. Because life is too short to not get turned on.
Hi, welcome to Sex Psychics Psychedelics. I'm gonna introduce you. I'm here with the wonderful Tracy Tee of Mums on Mushrooms. Mums on Mushrooms is a support. community designed to help mothers with microdosing and learning about microdosing plant medicine. And it seems like it's a very beloved community and there's been a bit of kickback around it, it seems, in mainstream media.
Is that true?
[00:00:55] Tracey Tee: There's a healthy interest. Yes, maybe a morbid curiosity from some. Yeah,
[00:01:02] Jane Garnett: I have to get into that. Because I've, I've seen little snippets on your Instagram. I'm like, damn, she's doing all the big shows, right? That is
[00:01:12] Tracey Tee: true. I mean, I, I, I, the point of view I take is that at least they're open to the conversation.
And that's amazing. So whatever perspective you bring to it, I would say overwhelmingly it's been positive, if not, you know, slightly skeptical. But a few, there's been a few kind of, you know, rough patches.
[00:01:32] Jane Garnett: So where is mainstream media? On mushrooms right now. Do you think?
[00:01:38] Tracey Tee: Um, I would say, well, it depends who you're talking to and what you're and how you're talking.
If you're talking on camera, there's a very different perspective than maybe behind the scenes. Yeah, I think right now our country is in, um, well, corporate America. is in a little bit of a, I don't know how to report about this because I don't want to get in trouble. And because it's a schedule, because psychedelics, psilocybin, are, is a schedule one drug, the, the real concern is liability.
from a media standpoint. So we want to do this. We want to do this report on athletes who microdose or moms who microdose, but, um, you know, the powers that be say, we can't talk about this and this, and there's all these things you have to check. And, you know, so there's a lot of like backend dealings and fear to kind of protect everyone.
That's unfortunate. So, but, you know, from where I stand by the time. They get to me a lot of the best stories that I think have been told through the mainstream that I've been fortunate to participate in have been pushed forward by women, either female producers and or female anchors, and they are genuinely curious and just interested Simply want to know more and, and really not all that skeptical.
[00:03:03] Jane Garnett: Mm hmm. I was wondering if some of the skepticism was not just about the psychedelics, but about mothers being allowed to actually, uh, receive some fucking support. Um, not to bring my own opinion into this. Yeah, it's,
[00:03:19] Tracey Tee: um, I think, well, okay, so we have to peel back a bunch of, we have to peel back some banana peels, right?
Okay, we're in the right zone. Yes. Yes. Because There is so much misinformation out there that our government has successfully, like, just laid out in our, in our vernacular about psychedelics. So there's tons of fear and misunderstanding about, like, what this medicine is. And so, The optimist in me says it's not that people don't necessarily want to give mother support, although I argue that that might be the case a lot of the time and we can get into like the hysterical woman theory in a minute, but it's more, Oh my gosh, like all these mothers are high and tripping and like, how can they care for their kids?
And that's where the information, misinformation comes in and, and then there is this, so post Reagan era, just programming that's deep in our, like cultural zeitgeist that is, um, here I am this mom from Denver and I'm just frying my brain like an egg. I may or may not at any moment jump off a building, you know.
You do look pretty weird I have to say. Right, I mean it's a little
[00:04:37] Jane Garnett: concerning. The way your eyes are spinning in your head kaleidoscopically is a bit of a dead giveaway. You're tripping balls the whole time.
[00:04:44] Tracey Tee: Well and plus, you know, the unicorn's on the floor over there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so it's, So you can't really have a conversation until you can convince people that you're actually not in an altered state of consciousness.
How do you do that? Um, just patiently and with love. Connecting with them, I imagine. Yeah, which is what ironically the medicine asks us to do. Yeah. Is just, okay, put my ego aside. Lead from my heart and say, okay, I was that girl one time. I was that girl once who was scared. And so have compassion for, for someone who's at least curious and then see if you can have a conversation about it.
[00:05:22] Jane Garnett: God, I'm so glad you just said that. It just landed this memory for me of being, I don't know, maybe 10 and thinking drugs are terrifying. I will never do that. Cut to everything, you know, all the explorations and loving it. And so it's pretty fascinating. It is. We are scared of what we don't know. The other thing I like about what you just said was, um, the way you brought compassion online in me, I was making a judgment, like nobody wants to help mothers, but what.
What you brought online was the idea that actually people are feeling protective about the idea of mothers boosting their mental health with, with mushrooms because they think it's going to get them out of control. I'm so far away from that because I understand about how different, different doses, one dose from another dose of micro from macro, right.
And even within the micro dosing world, I was just going to say, and then that depends on what you ate that day and
[00:06:26] Tracey Tee: all number of things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And deservedly so, they should be perspective, um, protective. And I do think we struggle with the idea, I just had this conversation, uh, last night at a dinner.
We struggle with the idea that you can be a mom who is having a hard time and still love being a mom. Mm. You can, that we've, that you can be a mom who just like didn't have the best day and still love your kids and love your role, but not maybe love it today. And that you can be a mom that says, I need help.
And I think we're, we're in this spicy transition. Where we're realizing that the Supermom, well that the June Cleaver, okay, just lies, not realistic for anyone. And then we moved into this sort of like, then we moved into kind of the 80s. We had a blip of the 60s where we tried psychedelics and it kind of, too far, too fast, too much, many mistakes.
Um, and then some of the moms were burning their bras and some of the moms became liberated and But that was too much. And then we moved into kind of the 80s. Well, they became liberated away from the kids as well, right? Right, because they, you know, the pendulum has to swing. You have to take off. You have to.
To be alive. Right. And you were cast out in many ways, too. So you didn't have a choice. And, and then we moved into the 80s with like the power mom and working woman and latchkey kids and like, you know, Fuck the kids. I'm staying, I'm going to work and they'll be fine on their own, you know. And then, and then like.
That whole yeah, I just have like visions of like Sigourney Weaver and you know, and um, and then we're now I think we're moving in and then we went into the social media age of a new June Cleaver perfectionism that people were doing themselves like we weren't even being told by mainstream media to do this.
Like women were actively like, look at me and how perfect I am. And I think everyone kind of got caught up in it to a lesser or more degree. And then you have like, Then inside that you had like, so you had, um, reality shows and the Kardashians and like this very like, plastic thing. And now I think we're dismantling all that and we're actually just saying, well, maybe mothers are human.
And maybe they're more than, maybe they're a woman who happens to be a mom. And I think that's where we're kind of. edging up against, like, maybe we could talk about that.
[00:08:51] Jane Garnett: There's one thing I want to add to that, that beautiful history you just gave, which is, um, the era of, of guilt, which is, you know, probably spans a good few, few decades.
But guilt, I feel is such a big part of today's parenting, which in a way also is understandable, right? We know we've screwed up our planet and we're handing it off to them with no good idea about what to do. And so I think that, you know, we, We coddle.
[00:09:21] Tracey Tee: I think guilt's inevitable when you're raising children because you love them so much.
You know, when you, I mean, I feel this, you know, not, I don't want to, I don't feel the same way about my dog, but I feel guilty when I leave my dog. I want my dog to be happy. I want my child to be happy. I want my husband to be happy. I want my friends to be happy. But why is it all on you? Why is it all on me?
And, um, where is the guilt coming from? Is the guilt coming from, like, abject failure or just anxiety for what might happen, you know? And I think that is, it is hard. And then you've got existential guilt, you know, that we are all suffering with as well.
[00:09:57] Jane Garnett: Yes, exactly. And that thing. That you just illustrated, which is that weird omnipotence, there's a aspect of being a mother that is sort of strangely omnipotent, just as we also take lots of hits and become martyrs quite easily.
Quite easily. We also think that we're, in some ways, all, well, all responsible, if not all powerful. That it's on us. The whole thing is kind of on us. So, I mean. What I'm fascinated by and what you're doing is you are, in my opinion, chipping away at This, these sort of massive calcifications around the mother archetype.
Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean, this is big stuff, Tracy. Yeah. I didn't plan
[00:10:49] Tracey Tee: on it being big stuff. I just like thought, you know, when I started working with this medicine, I just was so grateful for the transformation that I felt and how I had been on this spiritual path for quite a while and how I just sort of, I just got in the fast lane.
Yeah, let's,
[00:11:08] Jane Garnett: let's get granular around this, around your story and how microdosing has helped you. Okay. As a mother.
[00:11:18] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, so I, I think it, I was kind of thinking about this a lot. I, I think the whole thing started when I turned 40, which is not uncommon. There's something that happens to a woman when she turns 40 that I, and I remember and my.
Like at a birthday dinner, the week I turned 40, sitting there and having that like David Byrne talking heads moment, like, is this all there is? Is this it? And who am I sitting here? Like, I felt suddenly like I hadn't used my brain in years. And I was a performer, I was doing a comedy show. I was in, creatively engaged, but it didn't feel like it was me.
And I was just like, who is she in here? And she's 40 now. What is she going to do for the next decade? And that just started me on a trajectory of asking questions and finally feeling. I don't want to say confident because I don't think I was confident. I think I was more, like, resigned to just accepting whoever was staring me back in the mirror, finally.
And just saying, like, well, she's not great, but here she is. And I, you know, maybe I could love her if I get to know her. And so that took many years. And then it was losing that same comedy show that I was performing at when I was at that dinner party. Um, we lost it in COVID. And just the The massive transitions that happen with these ridiculous lockdowns, and it's so funny that we're talking on the anniversary for four years ago today was the day, um, and I remember calling my agent here in Hollywood saying, I don't think this is going to go like, I think we had all these shows booked.
And I was like, I don't, Garth Brooks just canceled his tour. Like, I don't think we can mess around with this. And he was like, go on, Tracy, don't read the tea leaves and it's going to be fine. And I'm like, I just don't think it is. It's the
truth.
[00:13:14] Tracey Tee: Yeah. And we, over the course of two weeks, um, watched a 10 year old business just sift through our hands, me and my business partner, and That was kind of like the straw that broke the camel's back.
And again, with an existential crisis like we had with the pandemic, I had time and space and enough grief to just surrender into something else. And so I said yes to a a mom's camping trip outside Boulder, Colorado, and my best friend, same business partner, she was like, Tracy, we're going to go up to this lake.
We're going to camp. You're going to stay with me in my camper and you're doing mushrooms. And she's like, you're gonna put your big girl pants on and you're gonna do shrooms. And I was like, okay. And you know, I had been exploring and learning about plant medicine for years before that. I've always.
Always loved all things mushrooms. I thought ayahuasca made a lot of sense, but I was just kind of like, well, I can't do that until my daughter's like, I can't just go into the Peruvian jungle for three weeks. You know, it's not didn't seem like anything I could do. And I was very scared. I was raised to be scared of drugs.
I was raised to think they were bad. I had a lot of guilt for struggling with motherhood. And when I finally said yes, as I drove up to that camping trip, I remember thinking if it, if this is how, if this ends, if this night ends how I think it is going to, maybe there's something here and it did, like, it was just that amazing first trip that everyone has, you know, I reconnected with God and saw every symbol that had ever been written in the history of the planet.
And I laughed so hard and I felt love and I understood nature and a grander level. And, um, I was just like, wow, wow. And I had also in that, in that kind of Time period a few years prior had had I had to have a full hysterectomy at 41 years old which put me into surgical menopause I mean they took everything and I had I've had stage 4 endometriosis since I was in my 20s And so I've had surgery after surgery.
It was a miracle that I got pregnant I was only able to get pregnant once and I they you know My doctors had wanted me to have a hysterectomy like in my thirties and I had always said no but it had gotten so bad that like we couldn't even like find my ovaries. So I finally said yes because I was so miserable and then I got real miserable in surgical menopause and I had been put on Welbutrin by my functional medicine doctor actually.
Um, so another thing I never thought I would do is to take an SSRI and thank God it helped me bridge that transition that's so abrupt when. All your, you wake up, you go into the hospital with hormones one day and you wake up and you don't have them anymore. Um, but I knew it wasn't, it wasn't going to be a long term thing for me.
And I was like, well, then now, you know, now what do I do? Do I take this forever? What happens if I get off? And so microdosing just made sense. And so I finally just tried it. And it just was like, like all, all that whole time of answers and questions. Everything just sort of. Clicked into place and I was hooked and, you know, now many journeys later and having met my mentors, there was one particular journey.
I was lying on the floor, um, with my mentor crying, of course, and I go, I just think I was put on this earth to take mushrooms. I think I am like, I just think there are, there are medicine people. And I do think like I am one of those people. Like I'm really, I am my best self.
[00:16:52] Jane Garnett: When mushrooms are in
[00:16:53] Tracey Tee: the room, for sure,
[00:16:55] Jane Garnett: I'm a huge fan of mushrooms, too.
And it's interesting how the perception changes along the way. I, I really found working with mushrooms through a bogus. So I journeyed with a booger. And I worked with these mystics. And I thought they were incredible and so I did some sort of coaching follow up work with them and they would send me on these kind of like spiritual missions, it was super fun, kind of spiritual treasure hunts and one of the things they would do is have me like take mushrooms and go and like, you know, journey with trees and commune with nature and at first when they suggested this, I was like, Oh, you're having a laugh because to me.
Mushrooms were something that you did to have a really stupid, really silly time and get into a more kind of teenage mentality. Right. So the idea of spiritual questing on mushrooms was just like, really? And then of course I did it and I was like, just, you know, in awe and, uh, I'm in awe really of their versatility, I think they're wonderful, wonderful things.
[00:18:04] Tracey Tee: Yeah. I love their versatility, too. I actually love that you can have a really silly, fun night. Um, I think the world needs to have more fun right now.
[00:18:14] Jane Garnett: I agree. I think fun is, it should not be, um, swept aside. It needs to be front and center as something that is medicinal. I think the magic words are just for fun.
In fact, years ago, My friend said, I'm going to a psychedelics conference. I'm like, no, you're not. They don't have psychedelics conferences. Oh, yes, they do. Well, now they have huge ones, right? But this time, this was like the first little MAPS one. And, and I went just for fun. I'm like, I'm going to have to, you know, pause my therapy, serious therapy practice and go because it's just too fun that there's the idea of this.
I just thought it was the goofiest, silliest thing. Cut to, it takes over my whole life, you know, and becomes the most major kind of avenue of learning and growing I could ever have imagined, beyond what I've imagined. Um, so I always think about that and think just for fun. If you were ever thinking, Hmm, just for fun, like do it, do it, do it, because there's a slipstream there.
[00:19:18] Tracey Tee: There is, and it's not a negative one. I mean, if I hadn't gone up to that camping trip just for fun, I wouldn't be talking to you. It's not a
[00:19:25] Jane Garnett: negative one. It's
[00:19:26] Tracey Tee: not. And it's, uh, I mean, it was just so good. That night was just so good. And it was so Redeeming to like, for lack of a better word, like live through it, you know, the way I was raised in the era that I was raised in, I was, I was like, so terrified of drugs.
So terrified. It's not to say I wasn't around them. And I lived in LA. I, you know, I, the first bartending job. I remember seeing people, you know, doing lines of coke on the, on the bar here on Fairfax Avenue. And I just never did it. I was just always kind of G rated. I drank a ton because that was okay. And now looking back, I was just like, God, what?
I mean, talk about inversion. And I, I just, I love that I had such a good time and I had zero regrets.
Yeah,
and like that felt really good to just have a good time, like almost like good old fashioned fun. I mean, I just went to bed that night, like my, you know, grinning ear to ear with my best friend talking about how much we love our kids and our husbands and like,
[00:20:35] Jane Garnett: tell me what's wrong with that, you know, that's I'm, I'm glad we've got to that because I think You know, there are so many different ways to talk about the benefits of mushrooms and we're talking about, you know, microdosing, which is typically, you know, um, talked about as a, as a, you know, an antidepressant, maybe a creativity enhancer, potentially an anti anxiety.
Um, but I think one of the ways that, aside from sort of staving off depression, I feel like for me as a mother, one of the ways that psychedelics has. The key way that psychedelics has really helped me is anchoring me back in my heart and my love and it has worked for me and my kids. I'm so connected to My girls, I think I would have been anyway, you know, I'm a nurturer and I love being a mum for the most part.
Um, but the journeys that I've done and more, I'm talking more about macro doses in this case, but have just like put me into that socket, you know, that is my heart, what I really care about, what I really want to nurture on this planet and the joy of it, the joy of loving, period, you know. Getting to love.
[00:21:53] Tracey Tee: Getting, that is so beautifully said. And that's the gift. Yeah. And sometimes you've gotta go on a treasure hunt for the gift. Yeah. And to find, to know that you've been given it. And that doesn't come naturally to a lot of us because there is so much guilt and there's so much fear and there's so much, to do.
And there's so much expectation and on and on and on to just lie there in deep love. Oh, I mean, and that's, you know, for moms on mushrooms, like that's what most women come to mom for. They just want to like, they love their kids so much. They want to figure out how to. Push through that and just
[00:22:34] Jane Garnett: live
[00:22:34] Tracey Tee: it, you know?
[00:22:35] Jane Garnett: Yeah, how to be in it rather than sort of pretending to be in it. Like, I remember when my kids used to be at this, this Waldorf school, you know, the teachers, they were really small and the teachers would always talk in this sort of sing song voice. Now we'll put away our toys and we new mothers would all try and do that.
We'd be like, no, we put a fuck, fuck, fuck, you know, couldn't do it. You know, couldn't do it. And why? Because it wasn't really real. It wasn't germane. It wasn't who we actually were. It was who the teachers were and had been trained to be, but it wasn't who we were. And so I think there's a lot of that kind of crap around motherhood of like what it's supposed to look like and all of this, all of this kind of thing.
And it's not what it's supposed to look like. I don't think it's about what it's, what is it supposed to feel like? What can it feel like? I mean, we're really, we're dealing in a feeling modality here. Yeah. It's nice to have a clean kitchen, but like, you know, can you connect to
[00:23:29] Tracey Tee: your kids, right? Yeah. Feel.
And then. What I'm realizing, certainly for myself, and this isn't any fault of, like, my parents or anything, it may be our society, but I was never told that my intuition meant something that I know. I mean, you hear about, like, mother's instinct and mama bear and we kind of make these pithy, um, buzzwords around it to give ourselves some credit.
Like, what motherhood looks like for me? Shouldn't and certainly doesn't look like what it looks like for my friends or my sister or how I was raised and like, I don't care anymore, you know, but like, that's huge. It's huge. Congratulations. And I can't care what it looks like for other people on the flip side had to do a lot of work and check my ego and my judgment at the door and say, I'm gonna do it.
I'm going to let her do her thing and what do I care if it's not how I am? She's, she's doing her thing and I'm doing my thing. Yeah. And that, that is, that is a hundred percent. That was the medicine for me.
[00:24:35] Jane Garnett: Yeah. I'm glad you brought that up. I think it's a really big deal, you know, self judgment and, and judgment of others and it really limits our experience.
And sometimes it's just, we don't even want to look at that, right? There are these. You know, why do we want to look at the ugly parts of ourselves? And I think that this is for me another huge, actually probably the main blessing, there's always these main blessings for psychedelics, but this, this main blessing has been, um, support in looking at my shadow.
So I feel like With Mushrooms, I'm supported, I'm given enough love, enough of a good feeling inside myself to willingly turn towards the thing that I'm fucking up, doing wrong, being limited on. I had a example of this recently where, so I have a ex husband and we have a good ongoing relationship that we work hard at, and every now and again we'll run into A wall and this happened recently and we had a fight about money and you know money things can get pretty like Calcified and I was stuck.
I couldn't get into empathy. I just thought he was being unfair I just was like he's just being unfair and I knew that I could gather the support of other people around me I could tell them the story and they'd be like, yeah, he's being unfair and I knew that I could do that, make myself feel better for a second, but it wasn't going to fix the problem.
So, okay, all right, I'll, I'll go to the mushrooms, you know, and, and, you know, write down first of all, what I'm hoping to achieve in this journey. I'm hoping to find empathy for my ex husband so that I can move forwards and we can be good co parents to our children. Go on the journey. Guess what? The mushrooms show me my empathy failure, my shortcoming.
They help me travel into his shoes, into the weight in his shoulders, into how he feels. By the end of it, I wrote him a letter. He's like, how did you know? How you, you said exactly what I, I was like, it was the drugs, babe. I mean, seriously. And then I gave him some and it was, it was such a good, good little story.
[00:26:49] Tracey Tee: That's such a good story because I think we even doubt. That that actually happens, you know, I mean, people in the psychedelic space, a, we can all tend to be in a vacuum and like, tell each other these magical stories. Yeah, the magic. Yes, yes. Yeah. But then when you just, when you, you, I find that I'm still like, was that real?
You know, did that happen? Was I right? Like, did I figure that out? And to hear that, like, I believe you. And it's, it is. It's. Miraculous. I don't. It's miraculous. And it's all you doing the work, you know, like you, it's miraculous that you were like, I'm not in my empathy space. I want to figure this out. I want to be a good co parent.
I want to be a good mother. I mean, like, you know how much work goes into just thinking in a normal healthy way. Yeah. And, and say, I want to do a journey to figure out, like, that's not always fun,
[00:27:45] Jane Garnett: you know? No, it's not. It's hard work. I mean, it's not like I, I didn't, I came out swinging cause I knew that I.
I had found what I needed to find, but I was tired too. It's tiring. You know, work is work. Work is work. Work is work. Yeah. But, you know, I suppose this is the thing in terms of, yeah, my psychedelics and motherhood, I feel like they've helped me relish that work and see how it can be really creative, you know, not just compulsory and default.
[00:28:16] Tracey Tee: Yeah. And um, and like. I don't know. I just want to say like the word real. Like it's like actually what we're here to do
[00:28:26] Jane Garnett: not
[00:28:27] Tracey Tee: clean the kitchen.
[00:28:29] Jane Garnett: Yeah.
[00:28:29] Tracey Tee: Like, yes, we chop wood, we carry water, but the gift of this human life, the gift of raising other kids, the gift of like that connection is so rich. And I think like we kind of scared ourselves away.
Thank you wars and famines and, you know. Epidemics and all, you know, all sorts of things, economic crashes and everything. We've scared ourselves away from this beauty that we get to hold, you know? And I think that's what the, I think that's what the medicine is here right now in such a big way. Like guys, it's just, it's so
[00:29:09] Jane Garnett: good.
It's so good. But I also feel like this is so of this moment. I mean, it is obviously so of this moment here we are, right? Mushrooms are just beautiful. burgeoning in this moment and our awareness is, is burgeoning with them and, you know, I love you talking about the kitchen because I'm, I'm always in the kitchen.
I'm, it's always me in the dishwasher. It's just like my primary relationship, you know? And I think about it so much. I think about the women in my family and their deal in the kitchen and And how fucking privileged I am and how on their shoulders I am because, you know. It's taken to, in my family line, the sort of the English women, it's, it's taken to my stage to not have to cook every meal.
Like, it's kind of radical. I, you know, I'll be like, come on kids, let's go and pick up some whatever, right? Trader Joe's, who knows? But like, It's still my mother and my sister cook pretty much every meal, beautiful cooks, beautiful meals. I mean, it's stunning stuff, but it doesn't align for me with my sense of like freedom and the kind of the way that I want to be able to be in the world.
Um, so, okay, that's cooking, but then you go back, you know, further, you go back into wartime, you go back into these situations where the women were. Crushed, you know, I mean, uh, they didn't have, you know, they had a lot of things that they didn't have, right. They had a lot, a lot of oppression. And we now have, we have a different set of problems with all of this awareness, right, we've, we've got this kind of planetary awareness, which is really exhausting and an overload of information, but here we are.
Being able to have this conversation, being able to re realize the beauty of motherhood.
[00:31:08] Tracey Tee: And that is generational healing. Yeah. Like, I didn't understand it until a recent journey. And I, it is, you know, you can get very woo about that, but just Sitting and paying homage, like, I see that lineage in your family, and they, that meant something, that means something for you, which means it means something for your daughters, it means something for me, and it means something for my daughter, and that shouldn't be lost, you know, and Giving credence to that, to those women in the time and space that they were, handling the situation that they had, doing the jobs that they were given to do with the resources that they had, also, ironically, gives you compassion for where they failed the mark, you know?
But then if you can see it through their eyes, like you were just saying, even like with your ex husband, if you can see that through their eyes, then you can forgive and you can let it go. And then the fork in the road changes. And that is gen that's generational healing. Like that is changing the narrative for the future of our children.
And if you want to say you love your kids, then isn't the one thing that you should prioritize over anything else, especially your kitchen, Isn't it? Fucking fixing yourself, you know? Like, isn't it to to To not be the omnipotent, all knowing one, but to say, I'm not perfect, and I'm willing to fix what I mess up.
[00:32:43] Jane Garnett: Like, isn't that it? I think that's it. I think being, being alive, being open, being willing. Right? I mean, my kids don't give a fuck about what I'm doing with my career or, you know what I mean? Any of the things that I think are important. And also they probably do. I mean, they, they do, but it's much more about, I mean, they kind of do.
Look, they're teenagers. We can't have super high expectations, but, but, but they care about who I am. And they care about how I show up for them and whether I listen to them and whether I take their feedback. Whether I'm open enough to take their criticisms and see if I can, like, adapt and things like that.
Like, that means a lot. Because they're smart and they're aware. And that is the work I'm doing. So it's sort of like. is the work that you're doing in your career, feeding them back into who you are. And I think this is one of the things that psychedelics has certainly been helping me with, is really sort of see things in a multi dimensional way, right?
Not compartmentalized. Like, it's like, my work and my life and my love aren't separate anymore. No,
[00:33:47] Tracey Tee: it's just one big cosmic soup.
[00:33:53] Jane Garnett: It's one big cosmic banana split. Amen. Well, we're lucky, huh? Yeah. I mean, I feel that, I feel that sitting with you, I feel we're lucky in, we may not have answers. I don't know if anybody does, but we're lucky in our aliveness. You know, I feel that in you and I feel that in myself and it comes from following curiosity and exploring and connecting and growing.
And
[00:34:16] Tracey Tee: learning from your kids, you know, I mean, my daughter, yeah, she keeps me on the level, you know? And I think, I think it's cool that we're in a generation that doesn't. I love that you just kind of brought up that omnipotent thing. I'm like been sitting at the, while we're talking, cause I just don't want to be that.
And it must be, I am imagining she doesn't, she may not know it, but kind of a relief for my kiddo that I'm not. Because I, not that I'm not the, because I said so mom, you know, that, that there's an open dialogue there, um, and an, a chance to always evolve and change. And, and then for me, I just am like, that's when I'm patterning, I'm giving her permission to, to forge her own path without it looking, you know, like everybody else.
[00:35:09] Jane Garnett: Absolutely. And I also think there's this sort of opportunity, I'm just. Figuring this out as we speak, but to find truth together, if you open up the field, if you say, you might be right, I don't know, you might be right, let me have a think about that. Are you sure you're right? What do you think? You just ask a bunch of questions and you just sort of sit there.
The mysterious nature of truth. When you open up space for it, it will just start coming in and then there it will be. Right, and everyone knows it. And you didn't have to be an asshole. You didn't have to be an asshole.
Hmm.
[00:35:53] Jane Garnett: You know? Yeah, I was just imagining myself saying that to myself. I was like, how many times am I going to say that to myself in the next week?
You don't have to be an asshole.
[00:36:02] Tracey Tee: You just don't have to be an asshole. Yeah, you know, I mean, it's so, um, I'm teaching a class with a wonderful, co facilitating a class with a wonderful mother, Allie Tate Cutler, and we've called it Motherhood, Microdosing and Magnetism. And it's really about unlocking the throat chakra.
And we taught a class today and we were talking about authenticity and the different kind of studies and the different sort of philosophical tomes about what it means to be authentic. You know, authenticity in the end is like a kind of a culmination of a bunch of things. Fluidity, how easily something, you can do something because it's the right thing for you to do.
Whether that's cleaning your kitchen or cooking or, you know, finding your role and it's easy because it's aligned and then, um, being who you are. So knowing who you are and not wearing a mask about it and just being who you are, which might be, I'm not. I'm a messy mom, or I'm, I'm messy Tracy, you know, and, and then saying your truth and not apologizing for the things that you believe to be true, which doesn't mean you get to be an asshole.
Like you still have to be kind and considerate, but it doesn't mean you have to be apologetic or, or fake. And when that combination happens, there's actually no room for paranoia or guilt or other stories because you're just you. And when you're like that in front of your kids, I imagine the relief of having, of being a child and just knowing who's in front of you, that adult, because you know, as we were all growing up, we didn't know if dad came home in a bad mood, a good mood.
You know, all mom, you know, like we don't know who our parents are a lot of the time. So if you can model well, they didn't know who they were. They didn't Of course. In that generationt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like that just must be a relief if we can move in that
[00:37:59] Jane Garnett: direction. Mm hmm. Oh, completely, completely. And of course, they're more dropped in than we are, right?
We're more dropped in than our parents were, and then our kids are more dropped in than we are. Totally. So they know that we're not as fully dropped in as them, but they're like, at least they're on the path. They really are. This mom's trying.
[00:38:16] Tracey Tee: She still doesn't like, I'm obviously wiser. This is my 5, 000th life, my soul and I have already had a conversation in the crib and she's, she's doing all right.
She's trying. Bless her heart. Exactly. Yeah. It certainly feels like that with mine. How about you? Oh my gosh. Yeah. I mean, my daughter is such an old soul and so wise and I'm just like, wow, thank you for showing up for me, you know, a sweet ride. Sweet.
[00:38:43] Jane Garnett: Um, I'm aware of time. So I just want to make sure that.
Um, we know how to find you and what your offerings are, if there are offerings, um, and then I'd love to just kind of open it back out into your, you know, hopes for the future with, with Moms on Mushrooms. Thank you.
[00:39:01] Tracey Tee: Well, you can find us at momsonmushrooms. com. It's all kind of right there. Um, we have three sort of sections of offerings.
Um, our first is our, um, private community membership, which is like Facebook for moms on shrooms, but completely off social media. Uh, it's so beautiful. There's about 1500 moms there right now. It's only 2 a month and I created it. It's called the grow and I created it with the idea that, uh, we don't really need a guru or a, another psychedelic influencer to tell mothers what to do.
We just need to start talking to each other. And that became abundantly clear to me as I got deeper with this medicine, it was like, Oh, you're not supposed to be doing this one in a vacuum. This is very communal. And so that's what the grow is. And we welcome all moms, whether you. Uh, have never tried anything and you just want to circle the pond and just watch what other people are talking about.
Or if you're an experienced psychonaut and you have wisdom to share and compassion to give and there's lots of resources, um, I, so I have to, one
[00:40:06] Jane Garnett: question burning, I have to ask you, what are you noticing? Oh gosh. Okay. So we could, this is a whole
[00:40:12] Tracey Tee: other
[00:40:12] Jane Garnett: podcast. Oh my gosh. Oh, why did I not talk about this?
Okay.
[00:40:15] Tracey Tee: Um. Okay, well, one really amazing thing I'm noticing is how many women in the third act of their lives are coming to this medicine. So we have this really big, growing, um, membership of women, like 65 all the way up to 85. And it's women, and they're like, I'm not, I'm not rolling out of here. On this tone anymore and we've talked to so many women who are just and that generation, you know, the boomers really that are like, um, I haven't cried in 20 years and I think it's probably good that I learn how to, um, I haven't laughed in 20 years and I think it's probably pretty good that I learned how to, um, I'm ready to come to terms with how I was raised.
Maybe it wasn't the greatest in all the land, you know? And so that is just Beautiful because you want to talk about people with fear and programming that they're just bucking the system. Wow. So that's what I notice. Um, and I think the, the main thing we notice is that it's not a particularly psychedelic community.
It's just moms wanting to be better moms. You know, moms, they're still going to church, they're still a PTA, they're still working jobs, they're still putting themselves through school at night, they're going through divorces, and losing weight, and all the things, and they just don't want to do it. The old way.
Beautiful. Yeah.
[00:41:40] Jane Garnett: Yeah. Amazing. Amazing. Okay, so there, there's the, the online community, and then I think there was, oh yeah. Then we have
[00:41:47] Tracey Tee: like, uh, self-paced, like kind of instant download courses. Microdosing 1 0 1 for moms, macro dosing for moms, um, that you can just kind of read as you want. And then we offer courses, so mm-hmm
We have a, like our foundational course is a three and a half month sort of get started microdosing course that is much less about all the science, which is. There and it's interesting, but like you and I both know that like it's not rocket science to microdose, you know and I think it's a lot of unlearning that you have to follow the strict protocol and do it this one way and Really what it is is space holding for you to create your own intentional relationship with this medicine Hopefully for life, you know, um, one of my dear friends, I tell I talk about this all time.
Dr. Julia mirror. I asked her like, what do you see for the future of micro dosing? And she said, I would like to see micro dosing treated as a round of antibiotics for intrusive thoughts. And like, if we can set that there so that you always have this rounded by antibiotics, you know, at any stage in your life, like Mission accomplished.
So that's what we do. I love that.
[00:42:51] Jane Garnett: I love the mission. I love finding you at the conference, at the rally, the Mums on Mushrooms rally. I was like, holy crap, this is amazing. The mood, the energy, the women were just like, it was so high, it was great. And I don't mean high on Mushrooms high, but just happy to be gathering, you know.
[00:43:11] Tracey Tee: So good. That was That, that was miraculous. There's no other word. It really
[00:43:17] Jane Garnett: was. It was absolutely the peak experience of that, that conference for me. It really was.
[00:43:22] Tracey Tee: Thank you. I'm
[00:43:23] Jane Garnett: so happy to have you here today. Tell me about your dream for the future. I know you're living it, but like, what next? Where's it going to go?
I'm excited. Um,
[00:43:31] Tracey Tee: well, you know, like that, our little meeting outside the convention center at MAPS. I think that, um, I see a million moms. Um, I think when we have a million moms stand behind this medicine, it'll be legal. There will be no war, you know, like. Things in the world will drastically shift and it doesn't have to be, you know, mushrooms, but I think mothers Standing proudly behind psychedelic medicine for healing for mental health saying this is who I am.
This is what I look like Yeah, I'm not high. Yeah Y'all need to pay attention to me And then I think we'll start to see change. So however that looks, I'm not really sure. I think the medicine will guide us and tell us how to do it. But like, I think that's the goal. And I, and I, I, you know, I think in the short term, just Having conversations where you can just show kindness and empathy inside something that you may not know about.
And that ripples out in a bunch of different ways. And maybe just like give moms, you know, some mom out there somewhere permission to just try it. Be smart, be safe, don't be an asshole. You know, here's the resources and If it calls to you, do it, you know? Mm hmm.
[00:44:52] Jane Garnett: Tracy, thank you so much. You are an exquisite ambassador of this medicine.
So, on behalf of psilocybin, I would like to thank you. As another ambassador of psilocybin. She
[00:45:06] Tracey Tee: didn't have much of a choice. But we're glad she keeps saying us. She's very tired, but she's fine.
[00:45:11] Jane Garnett: They're like, yeah, yeah, you guys think you're still the ones
[00:45:15] Tracey Tee: doing the talking. I know, yeah, I know. I'm like, I have nothing to do with it.
Nothing to do. I'm just a mushroom
[00:45:22] Jane Garnett: puppet. Just a one big spore. From one to another.
darling.
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