In this candid, heart-centered episode, Leah and Christine welcome Tracey Tee, the founder of Moms on Mushrooms, to explore the life-altering power of psychedelics for mothers. Tracey shares how she went from never touching drugs to becoming a strong advocate for microdosing—especially for women navigating motherhood’s intense challenges. After a pivotal first experience and subsequent personal upheavals, Tracey felt a calling to form a supportive community for moms curious about plant medicine.
Throughout their conversation, the three women dismantle misconceptions surrounding psychedelics—particularly the stigma that mothers “shouldn’t” use them—and compare the passive “mommy-wine” culture to the more intentional act of microdosing. They discuss the emotional work involved, shedding tears, releasing anger, and unlearning the conditioning that keeps moms stuck in survival mode. Tracey also highlights how she talks to her daughter openly about substances and how honesty, not secrecy, fosters trust and empowerment.
From handling media scrutiny (including tough TV appearances) to recognizing the broader generational and cultural healing possible through mushrooms, this episode is packed with insights on embracing vulnerability and growth. Whether you’re new to psychedelics or a seasoned explorer, Tracey’s story offers a refreshing and hopeful perspective on motherhood, medicine, and reclaiming your inner power.
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[00:00:00] Tracey Tee: Let's do this.
[00:00:03] Leah Angelina: Let's get into it.
[00:00:05] Christine Alfred: Tracy. Thank you so much for coming on. Um, You are the creator of moms on mushrooms, and I just, I want to, so I started, I think my first large, um, journey with mushrooms was in 2020 to 22. Yeah. Okay. So it's been two years now. And you are one of the first people who I started following, who was another like psycho, not mom in this space, the first and foremost, I just want to thank you for, um, Being so open and vulnerable, um, and sharing your story.
Cause it's helped us to then share our stories as well. So just want to say that, thank you for being here.
[00:00:50] Leah Angelina: Thank you.
[00:00:51] Tracey Tee: It's a pleasure. Um, I just think the medicine and, um, yeah, that's amazing. I love hearing that.
[00:01:01] Leah Angelina: Yeah, so I guess my 1st question is, like, how did you get started in this space? Like, what brought you in this space?
[00:01:11] Tracey Tee: Yeah, well, it wasn't because I wanted to be here. I can tell you. It was like, no, thank you. Sounds like a terrible idea to do this. Like, no, no, no. Um, so I was very much the reluctant. I, you know, it's funny to be woo. I'll just start out being very woo, but I'm like a lot of Chiron in my chart. So I'm, I'm very like, I identify deeply with the wounded healer, like very much so.
And, um, so I didn't ever think that this was in my path and. And I had no choice. And so I came here because I came here by way of, um, a live comedy show, a live entertainment business that I had for almost a decade with my best friend and business partner that we lost during COVID. And in that grief, along with everything else, with the lockdowns and all the ridiculousness of the world, I found myself.
In the middle of a very deep spiritual journey being called to plant medicine and being and wondering, like, I don't think that this is for me. Like, how the heck am I going to do that? I can't. I'm not going to go to the Amazon rainforest. I can't just take 2 weeks and go to Bali and just study yoga. Like, those things aren't realistic.
And also I've never done drugs. So, like, you know, I didn't know why I was calling this. So I studied psilocybin specifically in ayahuasca for a long time. Like, I remember I went in 2018 and like went by myself to go watch Paul Stamets speak. You know, I am, um, I was, it was just in me and I've always loved mushrooms, like all kinds of mushrooms.
And so I just, as I look back, I see that the, like the signs were kind of guiding me to this moment. And I finally started micro dosing. Well, actually, then I went. On a camping trip with my best friend and business partner, she called me up in 2020 in the summer, and she was like, a bunch of us are going to go to this lake in Boulder and go camping.
It's all moms and women. And you're going to do, you're going to put on your big girl pants and you're going to do some shrooms. And I was like, yeah, it was amazing. And so when I was driving up there, I was like, if this is the experience that I sense it's going to be, this may be a shift for me. And it absolutely was.
It was like the best night. We left. I saw like every symbol ever written. I saw the grid over the earth. I reaffirmed my connection with God. I felt like all of the things happened. Just, I don't even know how much I took. Like, just like ate some shrooms and we like chased it with Skittles. Like total noobs.
And, um, and, uh, but I just, I was like, This is it. Like this is it. And just, and then we camped and my girlfriend and I were in her camper. And I just remember going to bed that night. We just were like, Just like in such deep gratitude, not intentionally, just like was pouring out of us, we just talked about how much we loved our family and how grateful we are for our husbands and for each other.
And I just remember like going to sleep, smiling and waking up with my mouth hurting, and I was just like, what was that, you know, and, um, And so that was, I was hooked and I, I remember calling my mother on the way back home, the like last person on the planet who I would have thought I would have called, like very never done drugs either.
And I was like, mom, this just happened and this changed my life. And. I had also just some backstory. I have a history. I've had a history of stage 4 endometriosis since I was like, 25 years old. I've had a billion surgeries, um, and which finally culminated in having to have a full hysterectomy when I was 41, like, all my parts, everything taken cervix fallopian tubes, uterus ovaries.
Oh, I got nothing and in that. And it was because I was like, medically compromised at that point with all the adhesions, but, um, my functional medicine doctor actually wisely, I believe, put me on well, to transition into because when you get everything taken out for a full hysterectomy, you go into surgical menopause.
So I literally walked into the hospital. 41 year old and woke up the next day with hot flashes. Like that's how fast it happens. So I had instant menopause and it was debilitating and the Wellbutrin really helped what I'm sure would have been insane mood swings. And so I was super grateful to be on it, but I was like, when do I get off?
What am I like without it? What's going to happen? And so. Um, after that journey, microdosing really just made a lot of sense and I actually talked to her about it and she was like, I think you should do it. I just can't tell you anything else, you know, and I started and I just felt like my life just go like this and, um.
After working with it for quite a while, almost a full year, and I microdosed five days on two days off religiously like for nine months straight. And I just felt healing, healing, you know, navigating the loss of our business, navigating all of the things with continued COVID. I felt like things weren't sticking to me.
They were just kind of coming up and out. And then almost a year later, almost to the day, my family, my daughter, who is nine, our niece, who is 18 and I, we were in my husband, we were driving, um, outside Aspen, Colorado and at 11 a. m. on a Monday morning, we got hit by a drunk driver and got side swiped. We flew into a, like, a barrier flew 30 feet in a ditch and landed in a ditch in the mountains and had to like, pull our kids out.
I was like kicking the doors. I don't know, I honestly don't know how we survived. Like, I felt when we were flying, I felt hands go on the car and just like sit us down. And even the EMTs, when they arrived, they were like, we don't know how you guys are walking and we were all really injured, but we did walk away.
And, you know, the, the, the ongoing recovery from that, I mean, I was bruised from head to toe, like, black and blue. Um, lying in bed, I, I, even, even 48 hours later, I could feel it coming up and out and I knew it was the medicine and I think like, as we progress through our healing, navigating the trauma that just happened to my daughter and my, my daughter walked out and had black and blue all in her stomach from the, from the seatbelt and like collapsed in the grass and just, you know, what happened to her?
I just was feeling like it wasn't sticking to me. And, um, so it was like, this constant confirmation that this medicine was like, working in real time and I was seeing it happen and then, um. Because of my daughter and my family and the trauma, I was like looking for a therapist, but good luck finding a child psychologist in 2021.
Like people wouldn't even call me back, like they won't even answer the phone. And so I was desperate to find someone for her to talk to. And through a myriad of like, Bizarre circumstances was led to this woman who was like really hard to get a hold of. She doesn't answer the phone very much, but she works with kids.
She's just, she's a shaman. And my daughter worked with her one time, but just with just, just like talk therapy and walked out and was like. I'm good. I got it. I get it. I'm released. It was amazing. I went in and spoke with her. We talked about the accident for about 20 minutes and then the rest was about plant medicine and different things.
And 2 months later, I was on the floor with 3 and a half grams of penis that be down my throat and, uh. That was the beginning of moms on mushrooms, because after that, I was shown that this medicine is for not only for me, but for mothers specifically, and that is time to bring us together, like, through this medicine and afterwards during integration, I was just meditating and moms on mushrooms just sort of, like, landed in my head and I shot up and I was like, well, yeah, that's cool.
That's genius. I mean, certainly someone's not. It wasn't me. It was not me. And so I ran to the computer and looked for the URL and it was there. And I was just like. Really? And, um, and it took a lot of prayer and a lot of crying and a lot of saying no. And then it just was so obvious that and then I really saw the path of like what we were doing with our comedy show because our comedy show was for mothers and bringing moms together to laugh about the things we have in common and having heard.
Mother's stories and the evolution of motherhood in this modern age for the last 10 years. I'd like, like, I really know what mothers are struggling with because I was there. I was listening to stories and it just, you know, I was just sort of shown that, like, what we were doing with comedy, it's time now to make it like, get serious and actually start talking.
And this medicine is the conduit. It's the web to bring us back together, to create that community we're missing, to create the vulnerability that we don't know how to access, to, to actually tap into true happiness that we, that we have to learn. We have to learn that. And this is the way. And so I just started and just started mom.
[00:10:38] Leah Angelina: The fact that it's like, I remember when we found you too, or when I, when we found you, I was like, that is genius. M O M S. Like, M O M. Mom's on mushrooms. Like, why didn't I effin think of that? It's one of those, like, aha moments. Um. I'm going to edit this part out, but I'm going to say, is there someone like hammering in your room?
[00:11:01] Tracey Tee: Is it bad? It's, we're getting a new roof and I was hoping you guys weren't going to hear that. Oh, okay. I just didn't want to make sure. I was like, are you two playing basketball next year? I was just on a call and I was testing it to see if they could hear it and it got like really loud. Now they stopped, but yeah, we're getting a whole new roof.
Is it really bad? And I feel like I'm failing.
[00:11:18] Leah Angelina: In moments it is, and then it's Can you edit that out? I don't know. I can try. Okay. Okay. I can try.
[00:11:25] Tracey Tee: Do you have a sound engineer or anything?
[00:11:28] Leah Angelina: Okay.
[00:11:30] Tracey Tee: I'm so sorry. I was hoping that you wouldn't hear it.
[00:11:33] Leah Angelina: There's a, there's an app that I can run it through that'll hopefully get it out.
It comes and goes. It's weird. So now that it's not here.
[00:11:41] Tracey Tee: They just stopped. It was like so loud when I was talking. Sorry.
[00:11:46] Christine Alfred: You were saying a lot of great stuff. I'm like, shut up.
[00:11:49] Leah Angelina: I was like, who is doing this?
It's okay. That makes a lot of sense. Um, okay. So that's how moms came about, which is wild. And you talked about like the wounded healer.
It's so funny because I think so many people, and maybe not anymore, but like 2020 was like the catalyst for a lot of people. And that was the year, like I met a shaman and she said I was a healer. And I was like, what the F? Like, I'm so effing broken. Like, what does that even mean? So broken. Yeah, no, like how am I supposed to heal people?
Like, what does that even mean? And then mushrooms happened in June. And then it was like, after that, like that was, it sounds like we're on the same trajectory. Like, Holy s***. Why is no one talking about this? This is like what we need. And I also think the fact that like your group is. Specifically geared and catered towards mothers is huge because I think I think I've said this in an episode before, but a lot of women come to me and they're like, my husband's this, and my husband's that, and my husband's this, and he needs to do mushrooms.
And I'm like, or you do it first. Cause that's how it started in my family. Like my husband was an alcoholic and an addict and I did the journey first and I started healing first. And I was able to hold space for him when he started. And I think mom's in that way. Women are so much more powerful than we were taught.
And we are the ones who are able to start this healing journey and hold space for other people when they are. And I think that's why it's important that it's like, well, this is why it's for moms. This is why it's for women. Yeah. This is why.
[00:13:36] Christine Alfred: And now that you said that, like I was the one who started it in my family and then.
A year later, my, um, partner saw the changes over the course of a year and then he decided to do it too. So that's a really good point.
[00:13:50] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Which is, you know, gosh, I mean, there's so much there. Like, I feel like it's almost cliche that I'm in that, like, I almost call it like graduate class of 2020. Like those of us who just were like, okay, everything's different.
You know,
[00:14:03] Leah Angelina: and we were, we owned businesses as well and closed our businesses and went through like a really radical time during COVID. Yeah. And then time.
[00:14:13] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Yeah. Nothing to do with COVID, but everything to do with whatever the. F. That was like,
[00:14:19] Leah Angelina: My life is falling apart.
[00:14:23] Tracey Tee: The least my, my, my least fear is having a fever right now.
Like that was fine. Yeah. So I, um, no, I totally agree. And then, and then it really just goes to show like Gandhi was right. Like be the change, you know, and, and lead by example is. It's something I come back to, like when I feel triggered or if I'm frustrated that someone isn't getting me or getting this medicine or is hesitant, I'm just like, all I have to do is walk the walk.
All I have to do is show up in the space and like with the values that I have like devoted myself to. And if you have eyes to see and ears to hear, you will. And if you don't, that's not, we're in our paths weren't supposed to cross. And it, it makes things like. Very easy and like really disappointing and difficult at the same time, because you get you a lot doesn't work out in your favor when you, when you show up like that.
But it, for me, it just took the pressure off having to just scream from a mountaintop and just, especially in my personal life. And, you know, same thing, like my husband ended up doing a journey, you know, he, he micro dose and he gets it and he supports it. And, um. Yeah. But I don't have to, I don't have to make people change.
This is not my, it's not the point. You just gotta, you gotta do it. You just gotta do your thing.
[00:15:41] Leah Angelina: Yeah, be the change. Well, and it kind of leads me to my next point, which is you're doing the Lord's work right now Because we have seen you on Dr. Phil. We've seen you on Fox News. We've seen you on What Good Morning America So many interviews and I love that you are the one who's like really getting out there and talking about it, but but it's It's frustrating to watch the statements that people make, or the questions that people ask you in those interviews, like.
You know, do you think you're setting a good example for your daughter? Like, is, are you a good mom or, um, one woman is like, well, what if you get addicted? Yeah. What if you get addicted? Are you, did you microdose today before coming on this interview? So like the assumption that you're like effed up. Just people who really don't know or understand the medicine, stereotyping you or labeling you or making assumptions, especially showing up and talking about this as a mother.
There's, there's a lot of stigmas to break. How do you handle that? Because for me, I'd be like, Shut up. Shut the f up. Watch your mouth. You don't even know. Right? Yeah, and you, you do, you handle it with such elegance and grace and, and the conversation does need to be had.
[00:17:04] Tracey Tee: Yeah. And thank you. I appreciate that.
You see that I, um, I, you know, with all my wounded healer, I'm also a triple air. I don't know why I'm talking about my chart so much today, but like, I'm also a triple Aries. So, you know, reactive, I am a warrior, you know, a ram and I have lived that energy my whole life and, um, you know, injustice or, or non truths, like, are something that just can set me off.
But I think. So I, all I have to say is thank you. And also it's the shrooms. Like that is the medicine.
Like we literally have a sticker at mom that says, thanks. It's the shrooms because I say it so much and it's, you know, it's pithy and it's not totally true. I do a lot of work, but like, it's the shrooms.
And, and what I have have been shown again is like my, when my heart just cracked open, I was just. I understood what grace and compassion like really means and so every interview and I've never had a publicist, you know, I, all of that happened naturally. And I think it was just a matter of like, right place, right time and whatever.
That's my Dharmic path. I guess. It's not anything that I wanted. Um, but I, I, I never really got triggered because before every single interview, I just, I would tell the people I was working with, like, thank you for having me, like, thank you for at least letting the story be told. And I had to just trust that.
No matter how it went and it was a little hard on Dr. Phil, like I have to say, I was a little concerned after we finished that taping, but, and I'll tell you a funny story about that, but no matter how it goes, I know in my heart, because this is what's happening to women, especially right now in this moment, those with ears to hear, they will read, they will see it.
They will see me talking and no matter how it's presented, they'll get it. And that's the only mom I'm talking to. I don't need to convince haters. I, I can't, and I don't need, and if, and, and psychedelics aren't right for everyone, and I don't need to convince those people that they're wrong because they're on their own path.
So all I need to do is talk to the mom who is at, at her wits end, who has tried everything, who, who, whose soul is like, Screaming that there's something better out there that she knows like deep in her DNA that this isn't the way that's the mom I talked to and so If you're gonna be like a arrogant News host that's misinformed and is looking for clickbait.
Like i'll take it. It just doesn't bother me Because i'm just grateful to be able to share the story And to the point of dr phil really quick the you know, we left and that was kind of like a complete I was very, I did not know that the show wasn't presented that way that it was going to just be about me and being a bad mother.
Like, that's I was supposed to just come on and be a voice about micro dosing on a psychedelic panel and it turned. It was like, completely blindsided. And so when I left, I was like, what my life is over. Um, went to the airport, um, like, like literally got in a car and drove straight to the airport to go back to Denver.
It was just so fast. There was no time to think I was at the airport eating. I hadn't eaten all day. They gave us no food. I was there at 5. 00 AM. So it was like 4. 00 PM. At that point, I was like gorging a hamburger and admittedly a very large glass of wine because I was just so shaken. And, um, I looked at my phone and two women in the audience had already found me and were like, thank you.
We had no idea what this was about. This is everything. You changed my life. I've actually been working with microdosing, but was too afraid to talk about it. And they, you didn't deserve what you got. And I was like, done, we're done. It's already worth it. I would go back again. So
[00:20:56] Christine Alfred: yeah, I love, I love that perspective because even, you know, I, the, the whole like, Oh, uh, drugs kill 120, 000, 120, 000 people a year.
And you're like, okay, but what drugs, like that's, and then again, it's, it's, and then you're like, you know, you talk about alcohol and like, I was like, Oh my God, I feel like she's getting like gas lit this whole time. So, like, to hear that you got 2 people from the audience is huge. And for us, you know, we, we've definitely gotten pushback and, and gotten hate and like other moms who think like, we're just.
You know, doing this and getting effed up and then like hanging out with our kids. And, and so I love that, like kind of, you're the, you're the voice of all of us on that level.
[00:21:43] Tracey Tee: You're the voice too. It's, it's not just me. I mean, you're, you're, you're showing up and you're proving, you're proving something different, you know, and we have a, you know, we have an almost.
We have half of a, we have half of a century of misinformation rammed down our throats culturally at the federal level, like from presidents talking about this medicine. So, there is decades and decades of fear and misinformation folded into everyone's reaction. So all we can do is just, prove them wrong. Right? .
[00:22:19] Leah Angelina: And I think we were talking about this earlier, like with the reason we said you're doing the Lord's work, because we kind of forget, like, we have this community bubble of people who get what we're saying, who believe in what we're doing, who also do what we do, and that's our audience. That's our community, but then you're going out here and reminding us that not everybody feels this way and not everybody thinks this way.
And there's still so much misinformation out there that I, I tend to forget that my level is not the norm. So yeah,
[00:22:58] Tracey Tee: and you know, people, people. Another cultural thing I think we're unlearning is people just want to see moms miserable. I don't think it's intentional. Um, I think we've just gotten really used to like the sad mom.
And, and that's our, that's like our stasis.
[00:23:18] Leah Angelina: It's just what we do.
[00:23:20] Tracey Tee: Yeah, you can take your pills, you can have your wine plate aids, you can take your Valium, you can drink your martini in the middle of the afternoon. We'll put chloroform over you, over you while you birth your baby. There's this history of anesthetizing mothers and keeping us at a level that's just, just shy of actually stepping into our power enough that we're kept sober enough where we can raise the children and do all the things.
And, and we're fine. It's fine to be a super mom and be skinny and gorgeous and multi successful and blah, blah, blah. But when you're truly empowered. Which I believe is actual happiness and the connection to spirit. Like when you tap into that, they're like, Oh no, now you're high. You know, now you're, now you're messed up or you're misguided, or you've joined a cult, all the things to just keep us back down.
And so it, that doesn't even have anything to do with the drugs. That's just, I think, unlearning what we're allowing mothers to be. And women, but especially moms.
[00:24:21] Leah Angelina: You're right. That is a huge misconception. Cause we're like, we're not, we don't do mushrooms all the time. Like everybody thinks we do. Like it's, it's really not like we're, we're every week we're like, yeah, let's go get soaked up.
Like it's the time. Yeah. So yeah, you're right. It's like, it's what happens in between those doses that really. Makes, I don't know, I don't want to speak for you or, or you, but like, it makes me feel like I'm doing the right thing. It's the moments in between dosing where I'm like, I know I'm doing the right thing because I wouldn't be able to handle what's happening right now.
Without the clarity that I have
[00:25:01] Tracey Tee: and sovereignty, you know, your choices, you become aware of your values, what you care about you and you are clear. Like, you know, the, the biggest iron irony is that we're like, we're not numbed out at all. Like, the mushrooms are the opposite of numbing out. And if anyone just knew that, then it would just, you couldn't even argue.
That is like a thing because it's you're, you're more present than ever. That's why half the women in our community, when they start microdosing, they hate it because they're just crying all the time because you're feeling, you're feeling anxious and feeling anxious.
[00:25:32] Christine Alfred: We get that are angry. They, they want to stop because they're like, Oh no, no, no, no.
Like I can't stop crying. And I'm like, sounded like you needed to cry. When was the last time you had a good cry? Well, and I think we're a society of like. Take the pill, drink the drink, suppress the feelings, numb, numb, numb, numb, numb. And so I guess my question is, what would you say the difference is?
Cause there's mommy wine culture,
[00:26:05] Tracey Tee: which I was a deep part of big part of,
[00:26:07] Christine Alfred: Oh, really?
[00:26:08] Tracey Tee: Oh God. Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, my show was called the pump and I'm show like, yeah.
[00:26:14] Leah Angelina: And we did not know that
[00:26:17] Tracey Tee: been there. Like, yeah. Yeah.
[00:26:20] Leah Angelina: Okay. So what's your question? So I was just going to say like for people who have not done.
Have not microdosed, have not touched any type of psychedelic, but let's say they're heavy in mommy wine culture. What would you say the difference is between that culture and like moms on mushrooms?
[00:26:41] Tracey Tee: Um, awareness. I think both are, I think both have the same motivation, which is, this is hard. This is really hard.
And I need to find a way to get through it. And, and I need, I need other moms to help me get through it. Right. Like you have play dates so that your kids can play so that you can hang out with moms and like figure this s*** out. Um, you have book club for the same reason you, we gather, we break bread together for that same reason to connect and to say, to, to like.
Check yourself before you wreck yourself against other people's experiences, right? This is what we do. We're, this is why humans, it's a beautiful thing about us. And so the motivation is there and I don't fault it and, and the motivation for, to release the pressure gauge. Cause it's a lot and if you have no tools and no context and nobody's presented an alternative, of course, you're going to drink a bottle of Chardonnay at three in the afternoon because you're rewarded for it.
Nobody, nobody's going to tell you that's wrong society, commercials, media, TV. Everyone is going to be like, girl, mom, parenting is hard and you deserve this wine. And I get it because you know what? Booze does the trick. I mean, it does. Sometimes it really does the trick. It gets you out of your head and you can have some relief and I get that.
I think the difference is understanding that That is not sustainable in any way. And everyone on the planet knows that excessive drinking is not sustainable. You feel it, not only in your body, you witness it in others. Um, it's, it doesn't work. So if you switch to being a mom on mushrooms, a microdosing mother, all of a sudden, now, instead of leaving the world behind, you're stepping into the middle of the vortex and saying, I'm ready to figure this out.
And I'm ready to claim sovereignty of my own life. I'm here. I am me. I'm like, I can do this, but you're doing it with like every level of your body. It's not just in your head. It's not just in your heart. And you're forgiving yourself for the things that are hard. And you're forgiving yourself for having feelings and maybe even having depression.
And at the same time, somehow, and this is all combined with like a lot of intention and work, right? Like you're, it's not a passive thing. And alcohol is passive. SSRIs are passive. You take it and you sit down and you wait for it to change. If you do that with mushrooms, we all know nothing's going to happen.
You're going to be like, I don't. People, you know, you have to work with it. You have to want to change. And I think that's the difference is the awareness of saying, I'm here. I'm ready to change. Like that's not working, whatever that is. And I want something that's better. Cause I just want to be like me, really me.
And, um, that's, that's when, that's when it gets really hard.
[00:29:43] Leah Angelina: Right. Right. So I would even say. For me, I was never part of the mommy wine culture, but I understood it. Um, I, I think that since I found mushrooms. My community has changed. Like my mom community group has changed. Like the moms that I relate to are different than the other moms.
And I find it very hard to relate to the mommy wine culture. The way that I used to, and it's like, we're on the same team. We're all moms. I get it. It's hard, but there's, I exactly what you're saying. Like there's this like intentionality between, or with us doing what we do and saying, we know it's hard.
We recognize that. And we're doing something about it and we're trying to become better moms because of it. And we recognize that it's hard across the board, but we want to make changes to make it a little bit easier.
[00:30:41] Tracey Tee: And I'm going to hold you accountable. I'm going to help you and support you, but I'm going to like, I'm not going to encourage you to continue down the path of least resistance.
I'm going to hold you to your highest self. And that's what I find. Like. You know, when you kind of come out of that and move into friends do change, it's hard. It's hard to lose friends. Old friends don't understand you. You don't understand yourself. And then I do think I say this all the time and I can give another fun story about this, but like, I think the witches find each other.
The witches are everywhere.
[00:31:12] Leah Angelina: Oh, I love that!
[00:31:18] Tracey Tee: And we Where am
[00:31:19] Leah Angelina: I going to do that? We
[00:31:21] Tracey Tee: find each I'm like And now it's like, you know, because your third eye is, right? Your pineal gland's decalcifying. Like, your intuition is legit coming back online. Like, you are We say waking up and kind of this like global sense, but there's actual physiological, like your, your, your intuition is becoming, you are becoming more discerning.
And so I will just see women and I'll just be like, you, I know, I know you, I know what you're up to. Got it. You know, you just know.
[00:31:50] Christine Alfred: Right. Right. So people see you. People see me, people see Leah and they say, see where we are now, but we are such a society that is, um, deeply conditioned to numb and, and, and to not feel things.
And so going back to the micro dosing and then people who reach out to us and they're like, oh, my God, I couldn't stop crying or, oh, my gosh, I'm like, so angry. They don't what advice would you give to someone? Like that who wants to just stop because they're starting to feel and we're, we're conditioned to not feel.
[00:32:26] Tracey Tee: Yeah, um, I would say that you have permission to be uncomfortable and we don't, we are also very resistant in America specifically to being uncomfortable in any way, right? We all have heated homes, air conditioning, access to clean water, food, Within seconds, you know, there's abundance everywhere. There's not a lot of uncomfortability in our lives and.
Emotions have been, um, commodified, you either go to your shrink and you talk about it there, or you have a period of depression and everyone kind of tiptoes around you, or you're just that emotional person and you're labeled as someone who has feelings and like a little bit crazy. And so. You have to, you have to give yourself permission to feel your feelings and there's a lot of self judgment that comes with that.
And then it's not fun. So it's, it's addressing your resistance to, to being uncomfortable. It's addressing your resistance to change and then it's, um. Really saying, and then, and then it's trusting that on the, that you're going to come through on the other side, because the other problem is, and this is not, you know, I'm sure you guys agree.
And we all kind of say this, like SSRIs have their place. They are very helpful for a lot of people, but I think for a limited time, but what we've gone to is, is that the minute, and this is very, this is, this is very potent for women, postpartum, the minute. Someone starts to go. If we're going on a scale of one to 10 and a woman is like at a seven or eight, here's your pills.
Nope. We're stopping you right now. We are not going to let you go to a 10. We don't want to see it. We don't want to address it. We don't. And, and, and, and, and there's fear that if you go past the 10, there's like, you're going past a point of no return. But the truth is, is you get to a 10 and then all of a sudden you go back down to a three because you let it out.
And you don't know that because we've never been taught that. Okay. We've been taught that we're hysterical and that that is the pinnacle of, of what you can do. And so you have to just hold space for women who are crying and say, keep going and you're going to live, like you're going to live, you know?
And of course there are outliers. And of course there's clinical depression. And of course there are, there are, there are. But the majority of people who have not had a good cry, and I talk to women in their 60s and 70s who say, I don't remember the last time I've cried and I don't remember the last time I laughed.
I don't remember the last time I laughed.
[00:35:06] Christine Alfred: We were just talking about this before you came on about knowing somebody who's like, Oh, I couldn't tell you the last time I cried. I don't think I ever saw my mom cry. And I
[00:35:19] Leah Angelina: cry daily and I also die in front of my kids. And also there have been times that like my husband and I are having a hard financial conversation and I'm just in tears and he just knows that like, it's just an emotion now.
Like it used to be like, what's wrong? Why don't you want to talk about this? I'm like, listen. I'm feeling it. It's a conversation and I'm having an emotional reaction to it. You can keep talking. I'm going to keep listening, but I'm also going to keep crying and it's okay. Like it's just an emotion. Like it's not a big deal.
So it does
[00:35:55] Tracey Tee: have to do with the body. Your body needs to release it. It's stressors. I mean, we're learning so much. And so if you don't remember the last time you've cried or laughed, like what is that doing to yourselves? You know, like it's, it's compacting. I mean, we know that you have to make up sleep, right?
We know that if you, if you were sleep deprived, like you actually bank sleep. So you have to make it up. Like, why wouldn't that apply to anything else? Like emotions.
[00:36:21] Leah Angelina: So someone who. And I know the answer to this, but I want to hear it from you. I have my own answer for this. Someone who hasn't had a good cry or who doesn't let emotions out or who suppresses and numbs and keeps it all in.
How are some of the ways that that shows up in their life that are unhealthy? Wow.
[00:36:43] Tracey Tee: Uh, you know, 1st, I think the easily triggered, um, you're just, you can't deal with the small things because again, that's like that compounding effect. Um, so you trip, you trip over the carpet and. It's easy to go into victimhood.
You know, it's the carpet's fault. You know, uh, uh, this is the worst day on ever. Um, it's easy to cast blame externally to, and then that's like rage. And it's like, it's an effort to get that out of you. Right. And, but you, what you need to do is. And I just did this, I tripped on a stair, I was carrying a box, we're moving and I was carrying a box outside and I was tired and I tripped down the stairs and I fell and I like somehow like ricocheted like in between a door and it was like really sad and I fell and I just, it hurt so bad and I was on the, on the garage floor and I just was like, and I had like a total temper tantrum and I just cried like a kid and I sat there for like five minutes and I just cried and then I got up and went inside and no one knew.
Because I just let myself cry. I didn't have to be stoic about it. It was dumb and it hurt and I was embarrassed for myself and I just needed to cry. I love that. And it's probably why I tripped. I probably needed to cry the minute I woke up, you know? But we need to get this out. So I don't know if I'm, I'm probably making a really long answer, but is that, did I answer?
[00:38:16] Christine Alfred: Yeah.
[00:38:16] Leah Angelina: And I also think like when you do that, sometimes the anxiety shows up. So like what you're saying, like the little things that trigger someone that like sets them off, like they would probably say, Oh, that's just my anxiety.
[00:38:28] Tracey Tee: And then we move in, this is the second thing. Thank you for reminding me.
Then we, then we move into the glorification of anxiety, the glorification of worry. And we wear, especially women, especially mothers, this martyrdom idea that like, well, I'm just a worry wart. I'm just a mother hen. I worry. I, you know, it's this glorification of a trauma loop. And so you wear. Your, your defenses as a badge of honor because you're so scared to effing cry.
Holy s***.
[00:39:05] Christine Alfred: I mean that you're right. Yeah, and I do I feel like too like men can feel anger all day long It's very normal. So normal, but if a woman is angry or if a woman is sad It's it we have a hard time holding holding space For women. And I find that to be very interesting. Like if a woman is like women can't be angry.
[00:39:28] Tracey Tee: No. And women are real angry. Yeah. You're and yeah, you're, it's very, and you know, I think let's give, let's give humans like some grace, right? Like it's heartbreaking to see a sad woman. Like truly. It's heartbreaking to see a woman in pain because we are Yin. We are heart energy. And so when you see that breaking.
We have a visceral reaction to it and what we've done, and I think this is probably like the age of like science and industrialism is we've tried to fix it. We were in our masculine. So we're like, okay, she's sad. We got to fix it. We got to make her unsad. And the motive there is, is perfectly genuine is, is we took it way too far and we just created like robots.
And we became fearful of the thing that is our superpower, which is feelings. But we just have to let it out. And so it's, it's not like, you know, I, I certainly, I think there's a bit of, I think the patriarchy is real. I think a lot of damage has been done to women. I think, I think also, well, while it might be heartbreaking to see a sad woman, it is terrifying to see a powerful woman.
Because there is deep power, deep power that comes like from the ability to create life. I mean, of course that's intimidating, you know, um, so there's obviously been, you know, I think efforts to to, To tamp that down. Um, yeah, but you're right. But, uh, but some of it is just, we don't have any tools. We weren't given the tools.
And so it's just a misunderstanding and there's fear on both ends. There's fear on expressing emotion and then there's fear at witnessing emotion.
[00:41:08] Christine Alfred: Wow. Yeah. Oh my God. So, so you talked about the first time that you did a journey was three and a half grams. Have you done more large journey since and have you dabbled with other psychedelics?
[00:41:23] Tracey Tee: I'm just sticking with shrooms right now. Um, and cannabis. I've actually had some really profound, um, really profound psychedelic ceremonies with cannabis and breath work that have profoundly changed me in ways that. Mushrooms have it. And, um, really created a deep D. I was actually just talking to my daughter about this while I was cooling her hair.
It's a long story. She's like, she's like, I know, mom, you've told me about cannabis, but like, um, I was like, well, I just want you to understand. Cause she was asking about, she was asking about like, what are opioids. And so I was like, trying to explain the differences. But so anyway, I've, I've really found a real respect Back for cannabis in a sacred way.
And I actually feel bad that I never even considered it to be a sacred plant medicine in the way I consider mushrooms. Um, but otherwise, no. And have I done more? I think so sometimes. Um, my, my guide, she just like intuitively throws it in the tea and I don't really know what I have, so it's hard to say.
And I, you know, I'm really kind of, I always say I'm like brought up by medicine women. Like that's how I'm being raised and that's. where my training is. And, um, a lot of that is just intuitive and there's not a lot of like discussion. And for me, it's, um, a real exercise in deep trust and surrender to just like, take what I'm given and know that that woman is here for my highest and best.
And so I just don't ask, but I love that. And I've also had profound journeys on like, One and a half grams, you know, I think I'm just like I was I did a journey and I was on the floor crying Of course, I was like I looked up at her and I go I was like bawling and I go I think I just put on this planet to take mushrooms
[00:43:12] Leah Angelina: I mean, well, so I don't know, do you know much about human design, like what you're
[00:43:18] Tracey Tee: yeah, I'm a manifesting generator.
[00:43:21] Leah Angelina: What is your profile or what is your energy type?
[00:43:24] Tracey Tee: Sacral.
[00:43:26] Leah Angelina: Or are you, uh, what are your numbers? The numbers?
[00:43:28] Tracey Tee: I think I'm a four, six.
[00:43:31] Leah Angelina: Okay.
[00:43:32] Christine Alfred: So what's the first six?
[00:43:32] Leah Angelina: Um, it's like a people person in the wise age, I think, or people person might be too. Anyway,
[00:43:38] Tracey Tee: I got to look that one up.
[00:43:40] Leah Angelina: We were asking, I'm asking this because Christine and I are three fives and we both are experimenters and liberators. So. And you're going to tell us something is going to work for us. We're going to be like, I want to try it.
But I'm saying that because we have dabbled in so many different modalities and psychedelics, but we always say, but mushrooms are your medicine.
Yeah. They're home. Mushrooms are home to us. They will always be home to us. It will always be the thing that I trust the most. Yeah. And it's always going to be the thing that I have. I have a little bit of an easier access to mushrooms. I can't always go and do an ayahuasca journey. I can't, you know, go and it's just, it's easier for us to access it too.
But even if it weren't, I feel like it would still be home to us. So I love that you're saying that because, well,
[00:44:34] Tracey Tee: I love that you guys stay home because there is sometimes, you know, there's always that point when you're kind of, Just have taken the medicine and you're just like, well, what am I doing? Like, again, it's so exhausting.
You know, um, and what was I thinking? And then there's this point where I'm like, Oh, I'm home. Like, and I think if you, if you view our statements from a religious context or from an external context, it can be, it can be very triggering or feel very fake, um, or even dangerous to, to make that statement. And even my, like, having grown up in a Christian home and, and like.
It feels like we shouldn't be allowed to say that an external substance can bring us home, but then you, but that is part of like kind of understanding your own sovereignty and just understanding your truth and standing in that truth and saying it, that is actually the truth. And that's hard. I think it's hard to get there.
[00:45:39] Leah Angelina: I think the way that I have tried to explain it to people is like, you know, and my, my, my husband has said this too, when he does a large dose, it removes all the s*** that he has going on in his life and his head. Like all the bad stuff is just kind of like lifted and he's just able to be, and I've said this to people.
I'm like, when I say home, I mean, All the external stuff, all the s*** storm that I'm living in just goes away. And I'm reminded of who I am and I'm reminded that all that other stuff is just stuff and it has nothing to do with who I am. So when I say it brings me back home, when I come out of it, and I'm sure you can say the same thing, but like for months afterwards, I am like.
Clear on who I am. Yeah, and I can also see how people can lose sight of that if they don't continue to do the work or the integration, um,
[00:46:48] Tracey Tee: or have a relationship with the medicine. Um, and one thing, too, I think I love that you're saying, like, it gets away with all the s***, but also sometimes, you know, especially in kind of the lower dose range, I find that it just allows me to be home with my thoughts.
Like, I think I have like big thinking because I'm not centering myself. I'm not cluttered. And I'm just like. I'm working it out, you know, like making decisions and like, I'm working with my mind truly. But yeah, but I think if you don't have a relationship that all of that can be incredibly destabilizing and, and very scary, which is why I personally think that.
Especially, you know, for, for mothers, given everything we just talked about, the fear, the misinformation, the busyness, the overwhelm, the whatever, I think starting with low doses and feeling it in your body and creating a relationship with the medicine and then moving on to the large dose journeys, which I think are profoundly necessary, but not.
Don't just do it in the way that you're going to start a new diet and wait for your life to change in a week. Like, it's really can mess you up if you're not walking into it prepared and with an understanding of what you're working with. And that's why I think microdosing is really beautiful because you can sense those energies.
You can sense that change and you can experience it. You can cry for a month and understand it. So then when you're crying for eight hours straight or laughing, you know, it's not so shocking.
[00:48:12] Leah Angelina: Yeah.
[00:48:13] Christine Alfred: Yeah. You talked earlier about talking to your daughter about, yes,
[00:48:18] Leah Angelina: I was going to put a pin in that and come back.
[00:48:20] Tracey Tee: Yeah.
[00:48:21] Christine Alfred: Um, my son is four.
[00:48:23] Tracey Tee: Okay.
[00:48:23] Christine Alfred: So I have not, I have not talked to him about my mushroom use, but I do have stepdaughters, um, who are 18 and 21 and we have open conversations to the point where like, my hope is that one day they do it. Yeah. Um, so I guess what I, my question is, is like, yeah. What advice do you have?
How did you start talking to her about it?
[00:48:48] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Well, um, you know, it was really my husband and I both, and I'm in, I, we live in Denver, so there's a dispensary. Well, that's nice. Yeah. So it's like, it helps, right? Cause there's a dispensary on every corner. So as soon as she could start to read, she's like, What's, you know, what's the green monster cannabis company, you know, she's seeing some giant billboard, you know, so we had to address it because she can read and we're driving.
And so there's that. And, and then. I, you know, I, I had, I think I started drinking probably when I was like 14 or 15 and so she was raised around alcohol, my family, you know, no one, you know, we just, we're big eaters, we're big family, there's wine and that's how she grew up and so we were just like, She's been going to the liquor store since she was a baby and is around all this.
And we never shied away. Now we really work hard not to get too tipsy or alter our state around her, because I think that's really scary for kids. And it's concerning and I have done it. And it's a lot of regret that I have. And I think a lot of what microdosing has helped me kind of heal, but, um, we just were like, well, we talked to her about this stuff.
So why wouldn't we talk to her about. Mushrooms. And more importantly, this is the point, right? Like, this is how we change. This is how we change. Because if I can raise her not being fearful of it and understanding the truth and showing her and leading by example, then when she's at a party and it's between like alcohol, cannabis, or mushrooms.
You know, where I said, I'm like, maybe don't do any of it, but please take the mushrooms. Please don't drink. Don't even know what's in it these days. Who knows what the, you know, the THC is so strong. It can really mess you up and like, you can. Yeah. You know, so I, and, and beyond that, even just showing that like showing plants as medicine.
And so that's what, when we were talking about today, while I was curling your hair, she's like, you just love talking about drugs. I was like, no, I love she's 13. So like it also, let me just say, if you want the best anti drug policy ever, like just talk to your kids about drugs and like do it yourself.
They'll never, she has no desire. Like, she's like, no interest in anything I'm doing. So if you really want, if that's your goal, just, just act like it's cool. And like, she'll never do it.
[00:51:15] Leah Angelina: You're not wrong. My 16 year old is like that. Like the amount of times I've been like, you know, I, I, I eat an edible every now and then.
Right. And he's like, yeah, mom, you told me. She's
[00:51:27] Tracey Tee: like, oh my God, I know about psilocybin. The other day I was telling her about five HTP receptors and serotonin uptake inhibitors in the brain, and she's like, oh my God, stop . That is, she's like, I know about the patriarchy and I know about psilocybin. Like she doesn't care.
[00:51:44] Leah Angelina: Stop mom with my stepdaughters. I've been like, wow, it would be really amazing. We all just sat around and did MDMA, like when you guys are old enough. And just talked and they're like, Oh my God, that is so weird.
[00:51:59] Tracey Tee: So cringe, girl, that is like, that's some ancestral, that's some generational healing right there.
Because like, I really think I've went, I've, I've known women, mothers, older mothers who have gone to like the beach with their older daughter and MDMA and like healed some s***. And that's profound, like to have that level of. Vulnerability, um, of, of prioritizing your relationship on such a deep level, like that is like life changing.
[00:52:34] Leah Angelina: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Well, then that's going to happen. My 11 year old is my inquisitive one. We always said he never outgrew that Y and now I know his, his energy or his profile type. He's like the, the knowledge seeker and I'm like, Oh, He's never going to stop asking, but I have had, he's my question asker, so I've had more conversations with him about drugs.
And I have my 16 year old, my 16 year old was just like, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it, but I have always said, well, you, if you're going to drink in front of your kids and why wouldn't you have conversations about what you're drinking and why you're drinking it and what it does to your body?
Because otherwise they're just going to grow up knowing that mom and dad drank. They didn't know why. I see that a lot. Like, I've had a little bit of pushback on spring break trips where I felt like I was being judged and I'm like, well, you're all getting effed up in front of our kids. Like you're waking up every morning, taking shots of tequila and there's no conversation about what it is or why.
So why is it a big deal if I'm like smoking a little bit at the end of the night?
[00:53:50] Tracey Tee: I agree. Well, this is just fear and misinformation. Yeah, and I think, too, this goes, I mean, I think, like, first of all, you know your kid, you know, and kids, like, I don't think you need to force it down their throats, either, and I think, I'm not telling them to do it, I'm not like, Well, and, you know, and I, I spoke about my daughter, but I, I do try, you know, I am who I am and I'm passionate, but like, I really do try to check myself and say, am I trying to preach here to instill in her a way of life because I want to say that my kid is into it?
Or am I really just trying to teach her and give her the facts and give her a wide, you know, access of understanding that she's going to roll her eyes up because that's what she's supposed to do, but it's still my job to present it to her. But from a, like, a dispassionate place, like, not, I'm not attached to the outcome.
And I think that can happen with sex. It can happen with education. It can happen with a lot of things, you know, parents, you get so wrapped up in your own dogma that you are pushing an agenda onto your children. That doesn't really actually have anything to do with like teaching them, but rather molding them into a certain way.
And so that is what I think, like, when you talk to your kids about drugs or anything, that's like, again, check yourself before you wreck yourself and understand your why. And the 1 good thing about the shrooms is like, you do enough, like, there's no ego left in me. I mean, there is, but it's very small. And so I don't have like, that attachment to what I want.
I just want to, I want her to understand. Um, yeah, and that can get tricky sometimes
[00:55:26] Christine Alfred: well, and even even to, like, they may not really understand it now, but they are watching all of us transform just how we live. And I think that is wonderful. In own.
[00:55:41] Tracey Tee: Yeah, it's really loud.
[00:55:43] Leah Angelina: It's, it's a little loud . It's like, right.
I'm like, is the roof gonna May we'll pause for a little second.
[00:55:51] Tracey Tee: He is like right above this. Yeah. I'm talking and there's like parts of roof just like falling off in front of the window. In front.
[00:56:00] Leah Angelina: That is so funny.
[00:56:01] Tracey Tee: I'm so sorry.
[00:56:03] Leah Angelina: Hey, I promise. Um, I also think what you're doing, though, you're being honest with your with your Children, and I would like to think that that's kind of the motivation behind why I talked to them, too, because I also want them to.
Feel safe enough to ask questions. I want them to know that I'm very knowledgeable in this. So anything is ever presented to them. So, like, let's take it back to that scenario where your daughter's at a party. Someone's offering her alcohol, cannabis or mushrooms, like, she's going to know, like. Okay, if I try these mushrooms that I worked with clients who are like teenagers, like, like, tried mushrooms had bad trips.
[00:56:44] Tracey Tee: Sorry. It's like, really bad right now. Let me just see if I can mute myself.
[00:56:56] Leah Angelina: Can you hear me though? Okay, so I've worked with like clients. I used to own a waxing boutique. So a lot of them were moms who would bring in their daughters and I've talked to daughters without their moms in there. And they're like, yeah, I did shrooms last weekend and got so messed up and had a bad, you know, so I think you talking to her about that is going to set the example or set the precedent of like, Okay, someone's presenting me with this, but I know that if I do too much of that, and I also know that like, there's something with set and setting and I should do this safely, like, she's going to start remembering these conversations, like, instead of it being like, our parents did and drugs are bad.
Okay, yes. But no, what like knowledge is power. That's like the big thing. So I want my kids to be able to come to me with questions and I want them to ask questions themselves. So I don't think it's a bad thing to talk to our kids, but to your point. Kai's four, like my daughter's seven doesn't ask me anything, but the older they get, I will talk to them about it in the way that they're able to understand it when they're ready.
[00:58:12] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Yeah. And I will, um, I'll be really honest here. I have a niece who's just about ready to graduate high school, who I, is like my second daughter and, and like witnessing, um, her just go through high school when she was around 16. I was like, Oh, well, were we giving her wine at Sunday dinner? And that was my initial, even now, and I am.
You know, I'm like, I'm like, is she going, are you going to parties? Are you drinking? And part of it is like, I want to like, help her. And, you know, I try to like, weave in, like, don't, you know, take care of yourself and make it easy. It's not that her parents aren't, you know, but it's always good to hear it from a different source.
But I'm, I noticed. About a year ago that my instinct was to just encourage her to drink because she's an American teenager. And that is even from someone who doesn't really drink that much anymore. And then I was like, Whoa, like that's some deep programming. That's some really deep programming. And what if we just told our kids that you don't need to get effed up when you're in high school?
Like it's so dumb. It does so much damage. And also understanding the kids want to experiment like you're in that age, but like, Really reframing the entire, the entire conversation around that. And so when you, like you're saying, like teaching them and presenting the facts so that they know when they're at a party.
But also like, what if I raise my daughter to say, you know what, I actually don't think drinking at a party is a good idea. You know, I actually don't think that that's a good thing. And if you are hurt socially, like those aren't your friends. Those are bad things happen when kids drink. They, they die, you know, and, and, and it's not, I don't need to be the cool mom telling you that that's okay.
And it's just, we're watching Gossip Girl right now, just like so amazing and so bad, but I'm just like, God, this is such toxic. It's on television. It's everywhere. These kids are drinking martinis and they're like 17 and they're in high school, high school. They're doing, they're smoking, they're smoking weed every day.
They're drinking, whatever.
And it's, it's really programmed in us, what we allow our kids to do. And so, yeah, I mean, reframing out the alcohol conversation and also educating on psychedelics and just dispelling the fear, I think is a big task that we have in front of us as parents.
[01:00:34] Christine Alfred: Yeah. Speaking of fear,
what was something that you were scared of before you took mushrooms? And what, what did you realize about that fear after you took mushrooms?
[01:00:55] Tracey Tee: I was scared of everything. I was scared. My brain was going to drip out my ear. I was afraid I was scared. I was going to become possessed. I was afraid. I was going to go insane.
I was going to lose my mind. I was going to become a drug addict that I was somehow compromising my morals in a way that I couldn't walk back from. That I would jump off a build. I mean, literally all of it, every, every, everything you can get from the war on drugs. Just yeah.
Yeah.
And I think, I think 1 pervasive fear that I, you know, is still sort of in me that kind of niggles at me, which is just like, are you crazy?
You know?
[01:01:37] Leah Angelina: Okay, so you did it anyway. I did it anyway, and I continue to do it. You're none of those things.
[01:01:44] Tracey Tee: Thank you. Nice to hear.
[01:01:46] Leah Angelina: If you're crazy, we're all a little bit crazy and I tend to gravitate towards the people I used to think were crazy anyway. So I'm like. I'm okay with that. Yeah. I'm okay with being the weird woo woo, spiritual weird friend.
She's into mushrooms and
[01:02:03] Tracey Tee: I know. Yeah. But, and there is, you know, and you got to take it on, you get some side eyes sometime. It's not great. And, and, you know, I think I can be a little didactic about things at times when I don't need to, and that's just part of my work and my shadow. And I, you know, again, I get excited about things and I like to talk about it, but it.
What I'm learning is what we're into, what I'm into right now, isn't the norm and has a lot of context around it that is, um, is framed in a lot of fear. And a lot of bad things, right? Like, spirituality can lead to a cult. Spirituality can lead to dark entities. Like, those things are all real. And, and, and, and, along all of those paths, you have your ego to contend with.
And if you teeter on the side of, like, wanting more power, Or feeling like you're better than at this righteousness, which can happen in any situation, whether it's a religion, Christianity, Buddhism, drugs, it doesn't matter. Like the idea of righteousness and feeling better than it is part of like, what we all struggle with as humans.
And so to, to acknowledge that. Um, is like step one and then to, again, to come back to your own sovereignty and just say, this is who I am and I love me, my crystals judge me. If you must, I ain't, isn't gonna change, you know, hurting, hurting anybody. I ain't possessed, like I ain't hurting anybody.
[01:03:27] Leah Angelina: Like, so I, okay, so I wanna.
We have loved, I love every bit of this and what I feel like we really want to talk to you about and get into is what moms provide to your community. What is moms? How is it helping other moms? I'm like saying, what is moms? What is moms on mushrooms? And how does this community help moms who are curious or just already in this space and need community?
What do you guys do?
[01:04:01] Tracey Tee: Yeah, thank you. So, um, really first and foremost, we're steeped in education. So, you know, empowering ourselves with knowledge is I probably our number one mission. And, um, and in tandem with that, learning about this medicine in community. And so. Um, we're kind of like threefold. The, the first part, the first gateway is just our online community, our private membership.
It's 2 a month. So it just keeps out the trolls. And it's kind of like Facebook for moms on shrooms. But again, kind of my vision for that was that we don't need. Someone telling everyone how to work with psychedelics or what to do. Certainly not me. And if we just created a space, a garden, if you will, where people could come in and plant their feet, we will grow together.
We will figure this out together. And so the, the, it's called the grow. And it really is just to get moms talking to each other. So all day, every day, there's just posts and conversations of women. Figuring it out together and it's for the woman who maybe is terrified, but curious about microdosing or even psychedelics and just wants to circle the pond and witness.
And it's also for the woman, you know, who's been working with this for years or decades, even, and maybe hasn't found a community, but also has some wisdom to give, which is incredibly valuable. So that's our online community. Um, and then we just have like courses, like I actually have like a micro dosing one on one for moms, like for people that are just tell me how it is.
And so it's a lot of, you know, science right up until your brain starts to hurt explaining what it is all through the lens of a mother, like mom to mom, um, and then kind of. Why, like, why would we do this and kind of setting the foundation and looking at it? We really try to look at psychedelics from a 360 degree, like a multidimensional lens because again, shrooms aren't going to change your life.
We know that like it takes so many things. And a lot of times, one thing I'm really protective of is the medicine just as I'm protective of mothers. So we don't, we try to teach that. It's not just starting to microdose. It's also like looking at your sleep and how much water are you drinking and how much caffeine did you have?
You know, like, don't, don't blame shrooms for what sugar did. Right. But you have to like, really look at that. And so like presenting a holistic approach is kind of what they're microdosing one on one. Then we also have a macro dosing for moms that just is like, why would I want to take this large dose?
What does it mean? What is a shaman? What is a Ricky, you know, demystifying things. That course has like. Interviews with just normal moms, not shamans, not healers, just normal moms who you'd see at the grocery store that have done large dose journeys and sharing their experience. And again, I think just to level the playing field that not everyone has to look like they're from Coachella to work with psychedelics, you know, you can, you can just be in sweats and have a messy bun and like having, you know, be integrating.
Like you don't have to. Be a certain way, um, and also just explaining how to prepare for it. And again, intentionality. So those are kind of our self paced course. And then our foundational offering is like a 3 and a half month course with 10 women or less where we, you kind of. Create your own intentional micro dosing practice because micro dosing isn't really rocket science.
Like, it's not. I think we think it's like this complicated thing and it's really not for us. It's more. Understanding how it feels in your own body and giving yourself permission to create your own practice. So I don't think we need another dude in the coat giving us a protocol. I don't think we need to do these things.
I think you can figure it out for yourself. Just don't take it every, you know, take some days off. Don't take it more than five days a week and know your why. And everyone's why is different. And don't just throw it down your throat. Like maybe just look at it before you put it in your mouth. Maybe say a prayer, maybe take a breath, maybe go on a walk.
And so, but that's a lot of unlearning. And then inside that, in that container, we allow ourselves to peel back those onion layers as we experienced them. And you're learning about microdosing, not only from your own experience, but listening to your sisters who are having a different one. And one thing that's really crazy in our three and a half month course is how much people mothers instantly judge themselves against someone else's experience.
Well, she seems to be having a great time and I'm not. So I'm like failing at microdosing,
[01:08:30] Leah Angelina: doing it wrong, doing it
[01:08:31] Tracey Tee: wrong. And there's so much gentle unlearning that has to happen, and we just kind of hold that space and just say, like, just throw everything, you know, about doing something out the door and just try to, like, work with your heart.
Listen to yourself, you know, you know, so that's what we do.
[01:08:54] Leah Angelina: The unlearning thing, I want to, I want to touch on that for just a second. I think a lot of people coming to us who have never microdosed, who have never touched a psychedelic, they're coming from a space of being medicated and having very specific instructions.
And this is what you do, this is how much you take, and this is every day. So sometimes I feel like when you're new to this space, that's a good thing. To have steps and structure, but then we always tell people and then you can get to a place where you're just doing it intentionally. You're like, your practice is like, whatever protocol works for you.
And they're like, well, what does that mean? And we'll like, you'll get there. Sit with it for a little bit. Like you can follow the steps, you can follow the protocol. And then once you're familiar with it, you're going to get to a place where you trust yourself to do what you're supposed to do with it. So, yeah.
And I think
[01:09:51] Tracey Tee: that's very feminine. I mean, I see a lot of like, no offense, but like bros in the psychedelic space that are like, you've got to microdose and do your cold lunch and then eat your meat. And like, you know, you got to do an hour of cardio and then you got to meditate hard. And I'm just like, Oh my God.
Like,
[01:10:08] Christine Alfred: No, it's too much. We have, we have had so many bros come after us in the comments. It's, it's always the bros, dude. But I think it's a testament that there maybe needs to be some more women in this space. I was just texting
[01:10:22] Tracey Tee: a mentor before this call and I was like. We really need the women to step in.
Not from a sexist place. I just see it going. We're, we're, we're, we're repeating the same patterns, which is fix it, do it on a schedule so that we take out any unknowns that comes again from a genuine place. This works to do it over and over and over again. So it doesn't break again. I get it, but this is softer, gentler medicine and it doesn't work that way.
It's not linear. Like psychedelics aren't linear. So don't try to put it in a box. And like, I fricking die for Paul Stamets. James Fadiman, thank you. Thank you for what you've done. And also stop, stop beating us over the head with the damn protocol. We don't need it.
[01:11:08] Leah Angelina: I love, you know, so it's really just about empowering women to trust that like they can do this in the way that works best.
[01:11:15] Tracey Tee: That's what I do. But I would also love to empower men to do the same thing. Like, you know, y'all don't have to jump in a cold plunge seven days a week. Like you can be softer and I want to empower men to cry and feel their feelings. Like how many men do you talk about on microdosing that say, I cried for a month.
You don't, they're like, I was productive. I fricking started a business. You know, like, it's like, there's no softness that's allowed. I mean, and I know they want it because people are begging us to do dads on mushrooms, which we're going to do, but like, it's going to be. Oh, I love that. be a big slap in the face for dads.
Like you're not going to be, you're not going to be a fricking, you're not going to write code for the new app. Like, it doesn't matter.
[01:12:02] Leah Angelina: Are we speaking to my husband right now? Mind you,
[01:12:06] Tracey Tee: literally.
[01:12:07] Leah Angelina: I love that.
[01:12:08] Christine Alfred: When is that? When is that expected?
[01:12:10] Tracey Tee: I don't know. Would anyone like to invest? I feel like we need some funds.
Like who's out there that wants to write a check so we can just do dads on mushrooms. Interesting.
[01:12:22] Leah Angelina: That definitely needs to happen. Yeah, right?
[01:12:25] Christine Alfred: I am I am glad that you touched on about, like, people, like, you don't have to you don't have to look like you're going to, like, Coachella to, like, do this because they're we've talked about this before, but there's, like, the Huberman Like Avenue, and then there's like, you look like you're going to like Burning Man, and so again, we have not really fit in either of those boxes, and we've gotten hate on both sides, because it's like, well, you don't look like this, and you don't fit this stereotype, and it's like, Are we?
It's 2024. It's exhausting. And I'm like, isn't, isn't the point for us to be who we are? Right? Like I'm not trying to go to Burning Man and do the whole festival stuff. I mean, that'd be cool to do, but like, I don't, I don't, I
[01:13:13] Tracey Tee: need to lose like 150 pounds. And where do they get those clothes? Like it's way too much pressure for me.
It's on tape, okay? Everyone just keeps saying, like, we need a mom camp. Like, we just go to Burning Man in, like, pajamas and serve tea to everyone. Like, that's Like I can't deal with all that.
[01:13:35] Christine Alfred: I'm so down with that, but yeah, you touched on that.
[01:13:39] Tracey Tee: No, I mean, it is. And in the middle of that, like you were saying, you know, there's like the tech bros and there's burning man in the middle.
There's just reasonable people.
[01:13:48] Leah Angelina: It's like celebrities. They're just like us. Like, we're just like you,
[01:13:53] Tracey Tee: you're just reasonable people who want to have an elevated experience in this. Precious gift of life that we've been given on this Eden of a planet. Like you want to pay attention. There's a bunch of people that just want to pay attention and like actually soak it up.
And they don't, you don't. And also I get it if you want to start dressing different because you start giving, you start losing thoughts about what people think of you, you know? I can't fit any more piercings in my ear. I don't know why I'm doing it. I like it. Like, I don't know, like you change and I don't give a s***.
If my parents or my grandparents or my, my in laws like, don't like it, like it makes me happy. Those things are great. And so you express yourself and wear the clothes you want. And I get hippies, like I get it, but also to feel like you have to fall into some label again or that you're not doing it right.
Like to give, to give hate. Like, you're not, are you taking the medicine? Like, how could, I don't even understand how it works. How could you do that? That's
[01:14:52] Christine Alfred: what we wonder. We're like, like, aren't we supposed to be on the same team?
[01:14:55] Leah Angelina: I thought we were on the same team, dude. And you're mad that, you're mad. For what?
[01:15:01] Tracey Tee: Why are you even, like, why do you even care? You know, and that's, I think one thing we struggle with and we, people get angry with us because we really try, we really don't tell you what to do. It's not our it's not my place. It's not my place to be even a psychedelic expert. I'm, I'm just not, you know, I mean, I've got decades of training under my belt.
I don't even think I'll start serving. I was shown. I'll start serving when I'm like, 63 because I don't and my teachers are like. No, you can do mom. You are not serving. You need a hundred more. You know, my, my teacher's like a hundred journeys before you even think about sitting with someone else because you have to know your landscape and there's experience like knowledge and wisdom.
That stuff comes with time. So I just don't know how you could be angry. It's someone and so we really don't tell you how to be or what to do or even that you should Dedicate yourself to your life to psychedelics. Like that's not the point. The point is happiness and change However, you get there and it looks different for everyone.
[01:16:00] Christine Alfred: Yeah, I love that. How have um, How has your family? Responded to you doing all this because you just mentioned your parents and your grandparents and all of that and you're you know Your niece and have they been receptive to it or do they think you're like just Um,
[01:16:17] Tracey Tee: there's a lot that unfortunately aren't speaking to me and it's really sad and my mother has been deeply supportive and we've had beautiful, long, expansive conversations, exploring things just, and she's really, she's been so supportive Like, it's so wonderful to witness a wise woman, like, questioning her own beliefs and letting her, putting her ego aside and just exploring different schools of thought.
Um, my mother, my sweet little Scottish mother in law is like my biggest cheerleader. She just gets it. And I think that like most women, if they're actually honest with themselves or in, you know, and I have like. Neighbors across the street who are, you know, in their seventies and stuff that are just like go go go Like I wish I had this when I was your age, you know So I would say overall it's been you know positive and I there's been some people that just don't agree with me and think I'm causing harm and It's that sad.
I don't want to cause harm and I I'm not in it for any other reason that except I think moms need help right now. So, um, what are you going to do?
[01:17:36] Leah Angelina: I love that you're saying that because I think a lot of people in this space struggle with that and we don't talk about it in every episode, but I can almost guarantee every interview we've ever had with anybody in this space has struggled with people not speaking to because of their convictions.
And I think the difference is You and us and those people have just accepted that and it's, it's part of, it's part of the price that we pay to. Empower other people,
[01:18:09] Tracey Tee: yeah, and I find that, um, like, thank you for challenging me to find out what I care about and what I believe in, you know, yeah, that kind of that level of judgment.
is a big mirror for me. It poses itself as a big mirror. And so I have nothing but gratitude for the opportunity to become very clear in my values. And so if that was like our roles as we pass, as we walk this life together, if that was our roles, like, thank you. And all I can do, and this is between me and God, literally, that's how I view it, is I just, I keep saying this to you guys, like, I just check myself before I wreck myself.
Like, I just, I got to keep it. I got to keep, I got to keep my s*** clean and I got to keep it real with God. And as long as I feel like that's an alignment and, and. These days, if I, if I step out of alignment, I'm shown pretty quickly, you know, something comes back to kick me and I ricochet between steps and have to have a cry.
Um, you know, I, I, I, I can reflect, but, but you know, judgment sometimes makes you very clear on who you are and that's a gift.
[01:19:28] Leah Angelina: I love that. Thank you, Tracy, for stepping into the world of mushrooms and sharing with the world, your gift. And like we said earlier, like you are doing God's work because that is some badassery that you can go up against these people and everything you're saying is.
Spot on and there are people who believe in what you're doing. Um, so thank you for that. And thank you for creating this space for everybody. Um. Where can we find you on Instagram and your website?
[01:20:05] Tracey Tee: Yeah, uh, moms on mushrooms official on the and our website is moms on mushrooms dot com. Pretty much where we are.
[01:20:14] Christine Alfred: Two. Yeah. It's been such a pleasure. It
[01:20:17] Tracey Tee: really is. Likewise. Like, so I'm so like, what a job, like the best day ever, you know, we can bitch about it all. And I'm also like, we just talked about psychedelics for an hour and a half. And that's my love every second. You're
[01:20:34] Leah Angelina: our people, we're your people, you know, we get it, like, yes.
Um, and to all of our listeners, uh, stay curious, be open and we'll see you guys on the other side.
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