Medicine with the Medals

When comedian-turned-entrepreneur Tracey Tee lost her decade-old live-show business at the outset of COVID, she found unexpected healing and clarity through microdosing psilocybin. After a dramatic car-crash rescue of her daughter, Tracey experienced firsthand how small, intentional doses could dissolve trauma and ignite spiritual insight. Determined to share this tool with other mothers, she founded Moms on Mushrooms in March 2022, a digital platform offering courses, peer support, and expert guidance on safe, intuitive microdosing protocols.

In this episode, Tracey and host Michele Medal explore how microdosing empowers mothers to reclaim their mental health, foster deeper connection with themselves and their families, and model a new, communal approach to psychedelic healing. They debunk stigma, highlight the importance of setting a personal “why,” and envision a feminine-led psychedelic renaissance grounded in reverence, education, and integration. Join them to discover how mindful microdosing can transform not only individual lives but entire generations.

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[00:00:00] Michele Medal: We are very excited today. I'm Michelle Medicine with the Metals and I have been very excited to talk with you. Tracey moms with on Mushrooms, Colorado. I'm a mom. I love Colorado. I love mushrooms. I love I. What you're doing, let's start out by letting you introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about who you are and how you gotta this point.

[00:00:27] Tracey Tee: My name is Tracey Tee. I am the founder of Moms on Mushrooms. We are an educational platform and online community that aims to provide a supportive and safe container for mothers to learn about psychedelics. Specifically microdosing psilocybin. In this season of our organization, we believe that microdosing psilocybin is a beautiful way for moms to create an intentional relationship with the psychedelic so that they can go on to explore the medicine and modalities that are right for them.

[00:00:59] Tracey Tee: We are entering into our third year. We launched in March of 2022. I am a mom. I have a. Kiddo who's 14 and a half. So she's just about to start high school and I'm here in Colorado.

[00:01:14] Michele Medal: Okay. Yeah. All right. I love that. I wish when my children had been younger, I wish I knew them, what I know now.

[00:01:21] Michele Medal: Especially about psilocybin and I think it's all about breaking the stigma and education. It's so important what you're doing, getting that education out there. Becoming. A more authentic, calmer, peaceful within myself, mother. Can only benefit my kids. I've gone to lots of ceremonies.

[00:01:44] Michele Medal: I started with ayahuasca and I'm deep into the medicine space. And the message that has been given to me, whether it is with medicine, ceremony, or breath work or meditation, and I was in AA for 20 years. The message has always been the same. And that is when I heal, those around me heal. When I heal, those around me heal.

[00:02:06] Michele Medal: When I heal, my children heal. Yeah, it's beautiful what you're doing. How did you get it started? Why did you get it started?

[00:02:13] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Thank you. And thank you for the work you're doing. Yeah. I say the same thing. Happy, healthy moms raise, happy healthy kids. It's actually very simple, but we gotta get the moms happy.

[00:02:22] Tracey Tee: And I was in the same boat when my daughter was born. I had. No idea that this was something that could help me. I had no idea. I had permission to work with psychedelics. I'd never tried psychedelics. I grew up in a very conservative Christian home in the Reagan era, so drugs were not anything that I thought would be in my wheelhouse.

[00:02:43] Tracey Tee: And and in 2020, like many of us, I lost a business. I'm almost tenure old. Actually live entertainment business. I had a comedy show about parenting that I had co-created, produced, written, and performed with my best friend and business partner. We had traveled around the world. We had a fancy Hollywood agent, we had a book.

[00:03:04] Tracey Tee: We'd been on the media. And when the lockdowns happened, we just watched all of that. Just sift through our fingers like sand. We were days away from signing an off-Broadway contract to bring our show, to have permanent residency in New York, and it all just disappeared. And as most entrepreneurs, any entrepreneur listening your business is your other baby.

[00:03:26] Tracey Tee: It's, it sounds crass, but it's very true. And the grief of that loss, especially when it wasn't our fault, was palpable. I had been on a spiritual journey for quite some time, really from the moment I turn 40. I think this happens with a lot of women. Something happens when you turn 40 and all the big questions just start flowing in, who am I?

[00:03:46] Tracey Tee: What am I doing here? Why am I doing this? Is this the life I want? So I'd really been on that path for many years and in my research and my explorations, ayahuasca still seven would keep coming up and I always thought. There's no way I can do this. I'm a mom. There's no way I can do this.

[00:04:04] Tracey Tee: And when I lost my business and all of a sudden all this space and all of this exist, all these existential questions started happening. It just became abundantly clear that I. This is something that I maybe I wanted to do, and I also should note that I've had stage four endometriosis my entire adult life.

[00:04:24] Tracey Tee: I was diagnosed when I was 24 or something after having a horrible surgery and ended up having to have a full hysterectomy at 41 years old, which put me into surgical menopause. And my functional medicine doctor at the time wisely. Prescribed me Wellbutrin to handle the shift from going, when you get a full hysterectomy with everything removed.

[00:04:45] Tracey Tee: I walked in with hormones, I walked out 24 hours later with hot flashes. That's how fast your body reacts. It was instant. There was no ramp up to minimizes instant and yeah. And so I was really glad that she put me on something to help me. Weather that storm, but I had never been on any medication like that before and there was no real exit strategy.

[00:05:08] Tracey Tee: And so those questions of like, how long do I take this? What am I like without it were very real. Then that summer of 2020, my same best friend and business partner invited me on a camping trip up in Boulder, Colorado with a bunch of other moms. And she said, I want you to come camping with us and you're gonna put your big girl pants on and you're gonna take mushroom.

[00:05:27] Tracey Tee: And I was like, okay. I love her. I love her. She's my soul sister. Yeah. And that evening when I was driving up there, I thought, if this is what I think it is. Like my life was gonna change. Truly had those thoughts and it was this beautiful night. It was the quintessential first psychedelic experience.

[00:05:49] Tracey Tee: Here I am, this mom in her mid forties on the, on a lake or beach of a lake in Boulder, Colorado. I saw God, I saw grid over the earth. I understood the fourth dimension. I saw every symbol that had ever been written and understood the connection of all of it. Profoundly life changing. And then just really fun.

[00:06:08] Tracey Tee: Like I just, we went to bed that night, just our mouths hurt from smiling and just being so grateful. And after that I was hooked. And so I started to look into microdosing for my Wellbutrin. And also, I was just so curious took a course with Casey Garrett and then, the minute I started microdosing, I just felt like my life just went like this.

[00:06:29] Tracey Tee: It just, all the dots started to connect and and I just felt like all the things I had been searching for in my spiritual journey, all the questions that weren't quite getting answered, all the change, I wasn't quite getting to. The doors just opened, and then a year later, almost to the day where I had, and I was like hard on microdosing.

[00:06:51] Tracey Tee: I microdosed five days on, two days off for nine months straight. No one told me to take a break. I never knew that. And then almost a year later, my family was driving up in the mountains outside Aspen. At 11 in the morning on a Monday, and we got hit by a drunk driver, and my daughter and my niece were in the car and we got hit at 70 miles an hour, plowed through a guardrail, flew 30 feet in the air and landed in a ditch in the mountains and had to, my God, like battle our way out of a destroyed car.

[00:07:22] Tracey Tee: And it was terrible. And we were, that was drama W Braly. Okay. It was trauma. But here's the thing. As I began to heal back at home with just bruises all over my body, I felt the emotions come up and leave at the same time. And I knew it was because of the medicine. It's when you have to pull your kids out of a car that's burning with glass everywhere, like that is not the day any mother wants to have ever.

[00:07:52] Tracey Tee: And I could recognize how horrible it was, but it wasn't sticking. And I knew it was Yes. And that was the moment where I was like, this is an actual miracle, because I could have easily gone down into the darkest depth.

[00:08:06] Michele Medal: And I just sure. And held onto that story for, the story we tell ourself forever and the victimization and the, all the things I,

[00:08:15] Tracey Tee: with anger of this man who tried to kill my family and like all of it.

[00:08:19] Tracey Tee: And it just didn't stick. Not to say that I. Don't have a few issues driving in the grounds around South. We're human. We're human, but yeah. But it just was I could tell and that was like the biggest confirmation. And I also just felt like all my chakras blow open when that happened, which is common when people have traumatic events.

[00:08:37] Tracey Tee: But I was able to connect it in a way that I couldn't, I don't think I could have. And in that time, we were very injured and my daughter, the light was starting to go out of her eyes more and more. She was only nine and I was desperate to look for a find a therapist for her and good luck back then trying to get anybody to call you back or get kids into anything.

[00:08:59] Tracey Tee: And we were seeing an OT for our injuries and out of desperation I was like, Hey, I have called everywhere. Evie needs to see someone. Her parents can't explain this. What happened to her. We need help. Do you know anyone? And he said I know this woman. She's like a shaman. She's like this amazing grandmother.

[00:09:19] Tracey Tee: She does see kids. She's really hard to get ahold of. I was like, give me all her information. I'm calling her. And I stalked her for a month and finally got in and one session, no medicine of course, with my daughter. And she was like, got it. Get it. I'm good, I'm cleared. And then I got in to see her and we talked about the car accident for about 20 minutes and then it was straight to medicine.

[00:09:42] Tracey Tee: Turns out she'd been practicing underground for 40 years. She was trained by Stan Gr and is just this wise woman. Two months after that, I was on the ground for my first guided medicine journey. That changed everything. I saw my dharma, I saw my purpose. And two months later after that mom was born, I was sitting one day in meditation and mom's on mushrooms just downloaded into my head and I sat up and I was like that's genius.

[00:10:10] Tracey Tee: And I have no desire to do anything like that. Who am I? But it just came to be, and here we are. So that's my story.

[00:10:17] Michele Medal: He would gimme pills all over my whole body. That's literally how Mama do came. It's just, not literally the car accident, but the just come it's it's incredible.

[00:10:26] Michele Medal: And so the your crew, right? The folks that you normally hang out with, your kids friends, the teachers, the, did they think this was crazy at first?

[00:10:35] Tracey Tee: I didn't talk about it very much, and I was surprised. It was really, it was like. For me in my circle, it was two reactions. It was either extreme judgment and like a hell no.

[00:10:49] Tracey Tee: And I lost a lot of close family members and friends. Or it was like, tell me more. I love this for you. And there was no transition whatsoever. And I would say that was 95% of the reaction. So I was really lucky. Unlucky and lucky, but. I find that most people, especially mothers, because of the way we're where we're at right now as a society, when I came out of the psychedelic closet and announced to people that I had been microdosing and that this was just this profound thing.

[00:11:20] Tracey Tee: Really, I got flooded with, oh my gosh, tell me more. I've tried everything. Nothing's working. I'm miserable. My husband's miserable. Tell me what? Tell me what you got. And that was really and that's, it continues to really be like that. More people are just curious but terrified but not really judgmental, which I think is amazing.

[00:11:40] Michele Medal: Yeah. Yeah. Terrified because of, the generation we grew up in with, this is your brain, this is your brain on drugs, you're gonna jump out a window. Yep. All the things that go with it. It's the education and the information that is the absolute most important part of the mission that we are on, and that you are clearly on as well.

[00:11:59] Michele Medal: It's information education, and. Integration of the medicines because why do the medicines? That's the easy part. That's the easy part. Yeah. It's integrated into your life so that you're changing your life.

[00:12:12] ad: Yeah.

[00:12:12] Michele Medal: So how did you begin to grow? How did you grow? Because now you, I see you on tv.

[00:12:18] Michele Medal: So how did you grow

[00:12:19] Tracey Tee: up? I think that to ask our little children of light, because I don't really have a lot to do with it, when I, yep. Yeah. It's a great lesson in learning to say yes to something that you're called to do. And I fought it. I remember I. Many days in prayer, like on the floor crying like, no thank you.

[00:12:36] Tracey Tee: No, I don't wanna do it. But when I said yes, everything just blew up. And I took it slow. I had a course that I just downloaded as people do. And, reached out to a group of those same women who were very interested and just open and wanted to try. And we spent three months together and I stumbled through and this was after, about a year of study.

[00:12:59] Tracey Tee: I. Okay. And then at the end of the course I was crying. They were crying and I remember saying I'm just gonna miss you guys so much and thank you so much for doing this with me and taking a chance. And they all looked back and it, they were all over the country, so we were on Zoom and they just said we're not going anywhere.

[00:13:14] Tracey Tee: What else do you have? That was the first confirmation, and then I was like I guess I should start a business, like maybe I'll get an Instagram page and community then my best friend, same best friend she, when we lost our business, took Zoloft and. Grateful for it, but also I need to get off this.

[00:13:33] Tracey Tee: I don't even feel my feelings anymore. And so she took my course, weaned herself off Zoloft and was at the end of the course as a life partner does. She was like, this is amazing. You need a community. We need to get moms need this. This was great. You gotta do this. So we built a community on circle and like the week that we were supposed to go live Colorado Public Radio called and did an interview at seeing my Instagram account.

[00:13:58] Tracey Tee: Three weeks after that same interview went live on NPR Twice National, like on all things Considered. And then we were off to the races and everything else has just flowed in. And I think our culture is just mesmerized by the idea that mothers would. Would Microdose. I think it's a, I think there's so much misinformation.

[00:14:18] Tracey Tee: So the idea that a mom is taking a psychedelic, the instant kneejerk is like, you're high, you're a terrible mother, you're a drug addict. And when they see that you're not, they're just like, what? And so I think the media, it's just, it's a good story. And our country just doesn't understand.

[00:14:39] Tracey Tee: The idea of having happy moms of what it means to be a happy, empowered mom. We're not there yet. And I'm grateful that I get the opportunity to talk about it, to anyone who will listen. Yeah. So now you do. Is this what you do

[00:14:52] Michele Medal: full time?

[00:14:54] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Just keep

[00:14:56] Michele Medal: doing your, tell me what you do.

[00:14:57] Michele Medal: What does your day look like? Do you travel around talking, giving talks?

[00:15:02] Tracey Tee: Not as much as we do things online. A hybrid of. Teaching. We have a beautiful community of about 4,000 moms. We have a paid membership that's private. It's kinda like Facebook for moms on shrooms where people can just talk and gather and connect locally.

[00:15:20] Tracey Tee: We have cohort courses and classes. We have self-paced classes, and I think one of my roles is just to talk and spread the word and have conversations. So my day is. Half advocacy, half writing, and then half just being an entrepreneur of what is essentially a tech con company. So it's a lot of moving parts.

[00:15:40] Tracey Tee: It's a big business. There's a lot of things to tend to, and in this changing climate of just even getting this information out there, algorithms changing and emails not getting delivered and getting de platformed and, strike canceled me because I am, I'm like, everything Ed is what do we got?

[00:15:56] Tracey Tee: You got, right? Yeah.

[00:15:58] Michele Medal: Yeah. Who are, yeah. Oh my gosh, I've never, in my life I tell people that I have never worked so hard at anything in my life and, all we are trying to do is empower people and help them to understand and source. Medicine. And what I do is, to me those are the drugs.

[00:16:19] Michele Medal: This is medicine, those are the drugs. This is medicine. These are supplements. We don't have any problem walking into Whole Foods and taking, say sunflower, you take too much of that, you're gonna be too high. So we are trying to educate people that this is not about. You're taking this drug every day and walking around and seeing unicorns.

[00:16:42] Michele Medal: That's not what this is about.

[00:16:43] Tracey Tee: You can walk into Whole Foods and buy 12 bottles of wine. Exactly. And nobody asks you anything about that, about it, but that and oranges and a case of wine, and nobody cares about that. It's crazy.

[00:16:59] Michele Medal: It's very crazy. And just to be up against the fight against, the man on a daily basis.

[00:17:07] Michele Medal: Okay. So you started out and you started getting a couple other moms involved and then I imagine those moms told those moms and it's been by word of mouth.

[00:17:16] Tracey Tee: Yeah, really mostly word of mouth for sure. Again, I think a lot of I'm. I think it's when you're in this space, you think everyone knows about everything and gets it, and then I forget that actually 99% of the planet has no idea about psychedelics, has no concept and 99.9% of mothers.

[00:17:38] Tracey Tee: It's just not even in their purview. And then I'm in Colorado on top of it. So I just assume, 'cause we just talk about drugs all the time in Colorado that everyone knows, but they don't. So yeah, we're really just word of mouth right now because I. Can't really advertise, even though we are only an educational platform and and the world is still trying to warm up to this idea of actual healing and it's gonna take some time.

[00:18:02] Tracey Tee: I think

[00:18:03] Michele Medal: It is definitely gonna take time. I think that, the baton was dropped and then it has been picked back up and there is definitely a psychedelic renaissance coming out. And I think that the more people like Aaron Rogers and people that people look up to people feel validated right at that point.

[00:18:22] Michele Medal: Or the other way they do it is if like by your friend watching you wait a minute, I see a difference here. I wanna see what that's about. That's what brought me to the medicine, for sure.

[00:18:31] Tracey Tee: Yeah, I think that, I think. I agree. I don't have, I don't have any chips on my soldier shoulder with celebrities or speaking out about.

[00:18:41] Tracey Tee: I think it's great. I think we need to take what we can get. But I also do worry that in our culture of more is more and magic pill, that when we make it a trend, people expect that you're gonna microdose in three days later you're gonna lose 30 pounds. Fix your marriage, write the book, get the job, promotion.

[00:19:01] Tracey Tee: Sure. And then there's a big disappointment when it takes time and co-creation. And I'm really seeing now, having been in this space for so many years, that I would really love to see women take the center stage and approach this renaissance from. The female gaze from the sacred female gaze so that we take our time and we don't rush into commodifying this or making it more of a game.

[00:19:27] Tracey Tee: Or a biohack that we keep it really sacred and that we take our time to unlearn what medicine means so that this can stick around. I think everyone understands that a lot of mistakes were made in the sixties. I don't think dropping acid from a plane over a crowd of people was a great idea for any kind of movement.

[00:19:47] Tracey Tee: And so we need to remember that and then take a different approach. And and so I see mothers. At the forefront of this because this is generational healing. And if we raise our children around with a different understanding and respect for psychedelics, then everything changes. So changes my.

[00:20:08] Michele Medal: Coming from somebody who had Dr, I had drank ayahuasca before. I had taken mushrooms in high school and college. But, never ceremonially. And then of course I got sober and I was sober for 20 years. And so there was no way I was gonna put a psychedelic in my body no mind altering substances.

[00:20:23] Michele Medal: Which is another really big stigma that I've been trying to break for a number of years. Yep. We could talk about that one too. But, I, I. Think that it's just, when I came out of that Ayahuasca experience, it was, oh, this is definitely not what I thought it was. And other people need to understand this process, because it, it's not what you think.

[00:20:47] Michele Medal: It's not what you think. It's not the experience that she thinks it is.

[00:20:51] Tracey Tee: It's not at all. And it doesn't have the effects that you think because we frame it all within the framework of alcohol and like opioids. And that's what we look at it through that lens, and so we just assume that you're gonna come out addicted or destroyed.

[00:21:06] Tracey Tee: They're just, it's and and it's, I always laugh when people like. Roll their eyes at me and they're just like, oh, you're just high. You're just, you're teaching your kid to take drugs. You're checking out. I'm like, oh my gosh. There's, you couldn't be further from the truth.

[00:21:20] Tracey Tee: Psych. And

[00:21:21] Michele Medal: how many bottles of pills do you

[00:21:22] Tracey Tee: have

[00:21:23] Michele Medal: in your cabinet right now?

[00:21:25] Tracey Tee: And again, like how many bottles of no judgment. I actually still drink, but like how many bottles of wine did you buy with your cereal today? And they're just, when you start to work with psychedelics intentionally, you're just so far from checked out.

[00:21:38] Tracey Tee: It's laughable 'cause it's you're so present. That's the point. And we don't know, we don't know even how to have that conversation. 'cause we don't know what that feels like. We're not a culture that, that prioritizes presence. We prioritize the next thing and the next thing and the next thing. Or fix it.

[00:21:55] Tracey Tee: Absolutely. Slap a bandaid over it, metaphorically speaking in a million different ways. And we're so resistant to being uncomfortable that you can't conceive of the idea of going to an Iowa ski ceremony and puking and pooping and crying and wailing and coming out a better on the other side.

[00:22:13] Tracey Tee: 'cause we just don't allow ourselves to do that.

[00:22:15] Michele Medal: That's right. We, we don't like to be uncomfortable. I'm gonna do everything I can to not be comfortable to, to be comfortable, to be not uncomfortable. Everything being uncomfortable is okay.

[00:22:28] Tracey Tee: It is okay, but not for women. And we also don't like to witness uncomfortable women.

[00:22:34] Tracey Tee: I'm coming to understand. We don't like to see women who are sad. Or angry or even just in pure ecstasy, it's very confronting. And so it's much easier to give a woman Zoloft and a bottle of Chardonnay and pat her on the head and say, we know it's hard being a mom and go off in your corner and have your moment.

[00:22:58] Tracey Tee: That's easy and rewarded. And, Christ, we used to chloroform people, women in childbirth, so we didn't hear them scream. You think of the, underneath the motivation for that. It's pretty intense. And so to have a medicine come online that's actually no. You're gonna stop the pills.

[00:23:15] Tracey Tee: You're gonna stop the booze. You're gonna find yourself, you're gonna feel your feelings. You're gonna be on or you're gonna connect. You're gonna connect. Yeah.

[00:23:24] Michele Medal: I call psilocybin the great connector. It's, I love all the psychedelics and there is reason and purpose behind all of them and, but they're all beautiful and they're different reasons.

[00:23:35] Michele Medal: I call psilocybin the connector, the great connector actually, because it really, it, it connects you to self, you're authentic self, right? It connects you to. All beings around you. And it connects you to Mother Earth and it connects you to source whatever that is for you. To me, source is everything, but whatever source is to you, it connects you to that. And it connects in a way that I don't know if there's another way to see that connection. I don't know.

[00:24:05] Tracey Tee: No. And it, the funny, the amazing thing about it is it does what it is, it connects you in the way the mycelium con connects to everything.

[00:24:13] Tracey Tee: So it's, it is micro and macro, and it really walks the walk. It's I do this and we're gonna do this. We're gonna help you do this. And you're right, it connects you to everything. And once you feel that connection, you can't really disconnect from it, right? Like you may walk away, but you, when you have that understanding, it's really hard to forget and everything changes.

[00:24:35] Michele Medal: Everything changes. Yeah. We do consultations, we do free consultations to, give people the chance and if they need to talk further we do that as well. But we'll give a free 15 minute consultation just to go over the basics. And, we always say to everybody, you, this is something that you have to get a chance.

[00:24:50] Michele Medal: And it's not a one overnight, it's not gonna fix everything. I'll have people call me and say, it's been a week. I don't feel anything. Oh my gosh. It's taken you 48 years to get to this point, right? It's gonna take a while for it to get out. We're not talking about regular medicine here. We take at the same time every day.

[00:25:07] Michele Medal: There's intention, there's different things that go around it. I also have found that the majority of folks who microdose with Mama Dose, always eventually want to macro dose even if they've never done it before. They always come back to me at some point and say, I am ready. And I'll tell them in that first call, the mushrooms call you.

[00:25:28] Michele Medal: Obviously they've already called you 'cause we are on a phone call. But they'll call you deeper and you're gonna wanna go deeper. You're gonna wanna go deeper. No. This is enough for me. Yes.

[00:25:37] Tracey Tee: Yeah. No it's true. And I, I think like my mentors disagree with me. I, I think a lot of the old ways are macro dose first, and then micro dose is a supportive practice.

[00:25:49] Tracey Tee: I just don't think, I think it's really, it can be really destabilizing for a lot of people because we don't understand it. We don't have any context. We don't understand ceremony. And so microdosing is so beautiful. But again, once you feel that connection and you feel that change and. You let the fear die away, you actually have context and understanding of the medicine.

[00:26:09] Tracey Tee: Then all of a sudden, a big dose doesn't feel like a big deal at all. It feels necessary and you're excited about it. And that's what I love about microdosing because then you can actually have a really great first experience rather than in what we're seeing in a lot of times, and I'm not saying it's for everyone, but a lot of times people dive into a large dose experience head first.

[00:26:28] Tracey Tee: They only want love and light and they only want, they have a list of things that they wanna achieve in their afternoon or their night. And then their things don't go that way because the medicine gives you what you need and they're disappointed and then they don't know what to do with that disappointment.

[00:26:43] Tracey Tee: They think they failed. And that's where, like you said earlier in integration. It's so important in education, and again, we don't, even though the wellness industry is so big, and even though we talk about all these modalities and stuff, we really don't pay a lot of attention to what we put in our bodies and what I found is that people enter microdosing thinking it's just another supplement that you take in the morning.

[00:27:07] Tracey Tee: I don't really think the medicine, it's never gonna work if you just throw it down and go on with your day. There's a big element of co-creation that is expected from the medicine and you've gotta learn that

[00:27:20] Michele Medal: 100%. It is not about just popping a pill on my way out to work in the morning. It won't work.

[00:27:28] Michele Medal: No, it won't work. It won't work. No medicine doesn't work like that. And just take

[00:27:33] Tracey Tee: a No, it doesn't. And if you just take a little bit of time, like I don't, you don't need a three hour, drums and yoga nidra and all the things do it if you've got it. But even if you just take a moment to look at it and just say a prayer of gratitude, like it just needs, it just needs attention. And you may think it's working, but when you really drop in with it. And create a practice that's so many miraculous things can happen. It's crazy, but you gotta do the work.

[00:28:00] Michele Medal: You gotta do the work. And what happens with psychedelics that I tell people is that, it's not like your life changes, it's your perception changes.

[00:28:09] Michele Medal: And when that perception changes, anything is possible. Everything is possible. And all of those things that, that we've been holding onto and holding onto it. We're able to look at them in a different way and let them go. And I am a firm believer that, once you heal those wounds at a cellular level, they're healed.

[00:28:31] Michele Medal: They're gone. They're gone. Yeah, they're gone. We don't have to punch them.

[00:28:37] Tracey Tee: It's crazy. And your body or your brain is no, I wanna hold onto it. So there may be some like residual. Memory it's like muscle memory, but it doesn't stick. Yeah, you're right. It's actually gone.

[00:28:50] Michele Medal: And a story is different. It's no longer a story, it's just a part of your life. It's, the story and the victimization around it, and even if it's something that happened to you, it, you can still become victimization around it. Psychedelics and, psilocybin in particular, that's definitely my medicine too.

[00:29:06] Michele Medal: Is it just does. Just incredible things. And this is what I tell people about with the who wanna start slow. And I agree with you. Versus your teachers. My husband totally does too. He always tells everybody, do a big dose first. Some people are scared to do that and they don't wanna do that.

[00:29:22] Michele Medal: Yeah. And my fear is if they do that and they're alone, then it's gonna terrify them and they're never gonna wanna do psilocybin again. And then we're defeating the whole purpose. Yeah. You do what feels comfortable, but it's okay to start slow and less is more. Less is more. Less is more.

[00:29:37] Michele Medal: And you will get to that point. You find a sweet spot. Not everybody's the same. Maybe for you four days on, three days off works maybe for you five days on, two days off works, six days on, one day off works. It really becomes intuitive.

[00:29:54] Tracey Tee: It does. And really that is such the, I don't know why I'm harping on this call, but like this is, that really is the female way, the feminine way of working with this medicine.

[00:30:03] Tracey Tee: I believe it, we get, we actually make people mad because we won't. Share a protocol because I know that if you just listen to yourself, you will know what to do. And more than anything, I'm like, I don't care. Micros, every day, honestly, when you're starting the medicine will tell you, I say

[00:30:19] Michele Medal: the same thing, but

[00:30:20] Tracey Tee: what you need to know is your why.

[00:30:22] Tracey Tee: You need to know why you're taking it in the first place. Every single time you take it. You need to know why. And understanding that is that actually it takes a long time to even get to that place to be really conscious and present to your why, and then you have to be prepared. To co-create, you have to be pre prepared to meet it halfway.

[00:30:40] Tracey Tee: It's never gonna, it's never gonna do all the work for you. It's not an Advil, it's not passive. You have to take show up.

[00:30:49] Michele Medal: My husband has his meme on his page, and it's this guy and he's poking this little mushroom and he says he's poking it going well. I don't feel anything yet, like now that you're not doing anything for me.

[00:30:59] Michele Medal: People don't understand. Yeah. It's, the answers are already inside of you. Yeah. These medicines just are showing you that. They're not doing the work for you. You are doing the work. They're just showing you, they're lighting up what needs to be done. That's the way I look at it. It just kinda lights it up.

[00:31:18] Tracey Tee: Yeah. But you also need to know how to do the work, right? Yes. Like you need to, there's, we don't, again, we don't have structures in place for you to really understand what the work means and then the work. Even just gets, that's been, turned into a meme itself. And so everything, so much of what we do is just it just instantly gets wrapped up in dogma.

[00:31:42] Tracey Tee: And the truth is like you said, like it's all inside you, but you need to have you, there is merit and learning tools and finding modalities that work for you. And then there's. It's necessary. It's absolutely imperative that you apply those consciously day in, day out and you understand that healing is not someone fixing you.

[00:32:05] Tracey Tee: Healing is not laying back, going to sleep and waking up and it's over. Healing is actually. A long journey of putting tools in your tool belt, in your medicine bag. The wisdom traditions know this way better than we hopefully will learn it. You just keep putting tools in your tool bag and then you know that it's there.

[00:32:23] Tracey Tee: You carry it with you always, and then you reach in and you get the ones out that you need at the time that you need them, but you don't. You can't add tools to your tool bag if you don't know how to use the tools. So it's chicken and egg,

[00:32:34] Michele Medal: right? You have to be able to put tools in them for sure.

[00:32:38] Michele Medal: Yeah. You have to get finding tools to put in your toolbox. We sit down here in Costa Rica, this is why we live here now the AWA tribe from Brazil, they come up and they share their beautiful ayahuasca up here. And so 6% of all of our platforms goes to support that tribe. And we've come to sit with them so many times in Costa Rica that now we live here.

[00:32:58] Michele Medal: They're in Brazil, but they come up here. But we, that is exactly what they teach me in every single ceremony, whatever medicine it is, and it doesn't have to be a psychedelic medicine. This is what people don't understand. Medicine is life. Medicine is music. Medicine is love. Medicine is grief.

[00:33:15] Michele Medal: Medicine is eating. Medicine is life. And if we treat it all sacredly, things will change.

[00:33:25] Tracey Tee: And what I say to that, 'cause I totally agree, is the sort of fun side of that is understanding that if medicine is life, then life is magic and medicine is magic. And when you allow yourself to look at life, the phrase it's happening for me, not to me.

[00:33:45] Michele Medal: Amen

[00:33:46] Tracey Tee: for me. And you start to learn that even if I can get, if I have to be hit by a drunk driver and have the darkest moment of my life happen to instantly say, what are the lessons here? Then everything becomes magical. It doesn't mean I don't cry, it doesn't mean I don't have dark days, but everything becomes magic.

[00:34:05] Tracey Tee: And when everything becomes magic, life gets real fun. Like it gets really fun. Because we're living in Eden and we're living in this magical place, so why not embrace it and then just be open to the lessons? That's the point. That's the whole point. And even that just to get there takes a long time because we're not allowed to think of this life as magic.

[00:34:34] Michele Medal: Plus we live in the age of Amazon where we just expect something I call and it's here, yeah. And it's just not the way that it works. It's healing. Is I say this all the time. I'm 53. I lied. I just turned 54 last month. I'm 54. Oh my God. Isn't that funny? I'm 54 and it took a long time.

[00:34:53] Michele Medal: I started with Ayahuasca seven years ago, but and I still consider myself an infant in, in, in Oh, totally. In all of this. Oh, yeah. Especially when I sit with the tribes and I'm like, I'm definitely an infant. You just keep going. And the thing to remember is that. That we are human beings having a spiritual experience.

[00:35:10] Michele Medal: So I'm still gonna have those human days. Just a couple months ago I picked up a pumpkin and threw it at my husband's head. Okay. So like we're still human, right? Yeah. And that's what we're all here to do though, is to break the stigma. And that's why I appreciate what you do so much.

[00:35:26] Michele Medal: 'cause it's exactly why Mark and I started, we started the plant medicine path first, and then mama dose. And our church and now the podcast. 'cause we wanna get it out there in every way possible. Plus sus plus we like to sustain medicine, but it, we don't hide. We do not hide. We are not afraid.

[00:35:46] Michele Medal: We are here on a mission. I knew that mission was given. You can see who's on the mission and yeah, we're just, we need stop and you won't either.

[00:35:56] Tracey Tee: No. No, I won't. Yeah, I'm not really afraid either. I'm frustrated, but I think, and then, the more you learn, the more I study, and every day is study, right?

[00:36:06] Tracey Tee: I. The more frustrated I am that how dumb it is, that this is like a schedule one, that it's so stigmatized. It's like it's so dumb. It's, and I'm an Aries, right? So I can get real mad real fast and I'm just like, ah. We have so many things on the market available to everyone that are infinitely worse, especially than psilocybin, it's terrible. It's just it's terrible and it's,

[00:36:34] Michele Medal: its' going through it. It won't it's, and I tell people all the time, you have no idea how hard we work to get you medicine. It is so difficult. Every day is a battle. And we have our education side as well. We are definitely all about the education.

[00:36:50] Michele Medal: But, everyone knows mama dose sources, medicine. We have a farm, we source it. We source. Functionals where we talk to people about the functionals are just as important. We had a podcast yesterday. We're really pushing mama's, functionals. People just, were just trying to educate and really educate people, and that's what I love that you're doing and you are forming community and that is what is the most needed.

[00:37:17] Michele Medal: Especially around women. And then one more thing, and I'm gonna shut up so you can talk, but you keep talking about like this woman thing. This is the time of the female energetic energy. We are, yeah. We are rising up and it is happening. And I had ceremony a couple weeks ago up in a maloca and it was like, I mean it's just, it's very clear that's why you're feeling that way.

[00:37:38] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Oh yeah. It's very clear And yeah, I just kinda want it to like. I'm like, come, I talk, I was just in ceremony, I think a couple weeks or two, and I was just like, come on to my guides. I'm like, I, we got that. We got that lesson. Can we just jump to the next thing because let's go.

[00:37:53] Tracey Tee: But yeah, no, and it's, and now, so I'm hopeful and I'm hopeful that female women leaders will rise up in a meaningful way and that people will listen. I'm really feeling like. If we don't bring our elders into this moment, we're gonna screw it all up again. And I think women are more apt to do that because, and this is why I think mothers and mushrooms are so important because we just come to this medicine from a different lens.

[00:38:23] Tracey Tee: Because again, you come when you, when a mom starts to heal herself. She's doing it for two people, whether you're living with your child or even speaking to your child. Like when you heal yourself, you're healing your family and you're healing, you're also healing your child. And so you come to everything with the, a deeper understanding of the consequences of that healing good and bad.

[00:38:47] Tracey Tee: And there's not really bad consequences of healing, but you know what I'm saying, if it, and I do. So I think there's an instant reverence that's attached that other, subsets of our culture just don't inherently have, and I. Then we need community so bad as mothers. Every mother knows that it takes a village, and we've made that phrase pithy and overused it, but we don't apply it in a meaningful way.

[00:39:16] Tracey Tee: Exactly. Yeah. We've never actually learned that lesson, but we know it in our hearts. And the medicine, this medicine especially. The message, one of the first messages I got was just like it has to be done in community because it is a web. It is connected to everything. It doesn't want to be taken in a vacuum.

[00:39:33] Tracey Tee: So you add communal medicine with women and mothers who need community who, who need help, who need to be taught how to raise children who need advice. And mentorship. It just all fits together and I think that's the nucleus that I wanna see emerge in these next years. That's what's gonna keep this medicine around and I think keep it from getting ruined.

[00:39:56] Tracey Tee: And I, I know a lot of people are talk about that, and I just don't worry about it. I just don't think. So Simon's gonna let itself be ruined. It's just not that way. It's too powerful. It's

[00:40:04] Michele Medal: not, it's me, the this, the medicine is smarter than we are, and I know that you have to get going that here.

[00:40:10] Michele Medal: But, it's that community and it's also collaboration. People who are we need to do this together.

[00:40:17] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Yeah. I feel you. I'm doing the same. And I see it, I see that world so clearly and I want that for everyone. And I want it, most of all for our children. And I think our children see that world real clear and they just need, they need to be kept safe and they need to be supported so that they can save us

[00:40:38] Michele Medal: because I have grown children, so it's different.

[00:40:41] Michele Medal: Yeah. But I have sat in medicine with all of my children. Oh, I love that. And their father, who we are divorced. We have all sat in medicine together. Well, Tracey, thank you so much. Before we go, let us know where can we find you?

[00:40:56] Tracey Tee: Moms on mushrooms.com. That's the easiest way. Or Instagram, moms on mushrooms official.

[00:41:02] Tracey Tee: But yeah, we've got lots of offerings. We really try to meet moms where they're at. So whether you just need some bite sized information to just. Understand the basics. We've got really great just self-paced and instant download type things. We've got beautiful cohort courses, we've got beautiful wing women to support you.

[00:41:21] Tracey Tee: We always are open to taking a phone call and having a consultation. And then we have a private community that you're welcome to join. It's $2 a month really just to keep out the trolls and we're just here, we're just here to help moms. So if you're just circling the pond and curious, or even if you've got a deep.

[00:41:38] Tracey Tee: Psychedelic practice and you're just looking for like-minded mothers all are welcome. And that's where you can find us.

[00:41:43] Michele Medal: Thank you so much. Thank you for the work you're doing. It is so needed. I appreciate it and I look forward to the day we meet. I hope you'll come back. Absolutely. All right. Yes, absolutely.

[00:41:53] Michele Medal: Thank you so much.

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