In this vibrant conversation, host Alana Kayfetz chats with Tracey Tee, the visionary behind Moms on Mushrooms (M.O.M.)—an online community and learning platform aimed at supporting mothers through intentional microdosing and other psilocybin-based practices. Tracey shares her personal journey from “good girl who never did drugs” to discovering how microdosing psilocybin transformed her grief, chronic health conditions, and sense of purpose during the pandemic. By weaving in stories of entrepreneurship, motherhood, and the importance of slow, sacred relationship-building with psychedelics, she unpacks why women (and especially moms) might find deep relief, creativity, and self-compassion through psilocybin.
Alana and Tracey also discuss the misconceptions around “moms on drugs,” why psilocybin is nothing like the mommy-wine culture, and how large-dose journeys can be used to heal longstanding trauma when you’re supported by intentional microdosing and robust integration. Whether you’re a busy parent curious about new mental-health tools, or simply intrigued by the game-changing potential of plant medicine, this episode is a must-listen.
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Uh, hello, hello. Welcome to the Mom Halo Show. I'm your host, Alana Kayfetz, and I am walking amongst a magical, magical unicorn of a woman today. Uh, a giant, if you will, in this industry. Tracey Lee is here from Moms on My Ships.
Woo!
[00:01:58] Tracey Tee: Tracey Tee.
[00:02:01] Alana Kayfetz: I said Tracey Tee.
[00:02:02] Tracey Tee: You said Tracey Lee.
[00:02:03] Alana Kayfetz: I did? Tracey T. I just, minutes before this, I just ensured her name was Tracey Tee and said Tracey Lee. It's Tracey Tee. Tracey Tee. It's okay. I did Tracey Lee a lot. Yeah. Okay. Well then I feel less terrible. Yeah. Um, welcome babe. Tell us who you are, where you're from, where we're talking to you from.
Go for it.
[00:02:22] Tracey Tee: My name is Tracey Tee and I'm in Denver, Colorado, actually soon to be moving into the country and out of the city of Denver. And I am the founder and steward of Moms on Mushrooms, which is an online community that offers connection courses and resources to bring mothers together around the sacred use of entheogenic medicine, specifically in this now moment, microdosing psilocybin.
Okay, um, and let's go back. What does that mean? What does that look like? What's psilocybin? What's microdosing? Let's go back. Imagine people have no idea what you're talking about.
Sure. Um, yeah. So my, my origin story is a little long, so I'll try to make it, um, More succinct, but I came to this medicine in my mid forties as a woman who had never done drugs except for weed because weeds legal here in Colorado and I, yeah, use it for sleep, but, um, never did anything.
Not in my crazy young years in Los Angeles, bartending, not in the nineties when all my friends were doing ecstasy in college, never touched a thing. And in 2020, um, and I also came here by way of a live comedy show for moms called the Pumpin Up Show. And I had, I co created, produced, and performed in this live comedy show with my best friend and business partner.
And we had this company for almost 10 years. And in 2020, when the lockdowns happened, we were forced to cancel nearly 100 shows for that year. We also had two additional casts that we had invested in, um, that were going to be touring regionally around Chicago and Los Angeles. And we basically, in the course of two weeks, like many people, um, You know, in my world in America, uh, watched our hard work, blood, sweat, and tears slip through our fingers like sands never to be regained again.
And the grief for fellow entrepreneurs out there, you know, that when you own a business, it is very much like having another child or limb or family member. And the grief of, of losing something so quickly when it just wasn't our fault, you know, like there was nothing we could do about it. And. And then the stress and, you know, worry of, of just that whole time of navigating zoom school, having to explain to a third grader what a pandemic is and why she can't see her friends.
It was just really dark for so many of us, and I had been on a spiritual journey. For many years prior to that, really just exploring and all of that all started kind of when I turned 40 and really just exploring who I was, what I, who I am in this world, what does it all mean? All those big questions that many mothers tend to ask as they kind of reach a certain age and plant medicine had, um, always interested me, but I never thought that I could work with it because a, I was very much.
Scared of it, to be honest, like raised as a child of the dairy years, the Reagan years. And that stuck with me. And then also I was like, when am I going to go to the Amazonian rainforest for two weeks and do six rounds of ayahuasca? Like that's, how could that happen for a mother? Um, and so it was always in the back of my mind and I would read books about it and research, but just never thought it was for me.
And then in 2020, my same best friend and business partner in that summer said, um, Look, a bunch of us are planning to go camping at this lake. I want you to come with us and you're going to put on your big girl pants and take some mushrooms. And I was like, okay. And, um, so at 44 years old, I went on a camping trip with other moms and took mushrooms for the first time in my life completely changed.
It was just this beautiful, transformative. Fun experience. Um, you know, all of the sort of cliche things that people talk about when they take a large dose for their first time. I don't even know how much I took because we just ate handfuls of mushrooms, but it wasn't very much. Um, but I saw like the grid over the earth.
I felt this instant connection to God. I saw every symbol that had ever been written in time and understood how we had all been trying to communicate to each other from the beginning of humankind. And. I felt this connection to nature and my girlfriend and I fell asleep in our tent that night, just like laughing and just talking about how much we loved our families and loved our husbands and love our children.
And I just remember falling asleep with my mouth hurting because it was, I had been smiling for so long and waking up the next morning with a sense of peace and contentment that I hadn't felt in a long time. And I was hooked. And I, um, Also, in the process of my 40s, I actually had, um, I've had stage four endometriosis my entire life.
And when I was 41, I ended up having to have a complete, um, hysterectomy, which meant everything was taken. Ovaries, uterus, fallopian tubes, cervix, I got nothing. which launched me into surgical menopause at a very young age. And so I had been navigating like what that does to your body because it's such an abrupt shift.
And I had read a little bit that microdosing might help some of those things. And my functional medicine doctor, um, very wisely put me on Welbutrin to navigate that change from walking into a hospital with hormones and leaving with none, like leaving with hot flashes. And I was really grateful to be on Wellbutrin, but I had no idea how long I was supposed to be taking it, what my life would look like without it.
It didn't, I don't really take a lot of pharmaceuticals. I don't take any actually. And so that was just sort of foreign to me and microdosing seemed to fit the bill. So I talked to the same doctor and I was like, what do you think about microdosing instead of Wellbutrin? She said, I think you should try it.
I just can't tell you anything about it. Um, so I, I ended up trying micro dosing very soon after that. And honestly, within a week, I felt just my life just go like this, like all the, all these dots, all these question marks, everything just started to connect it like an amplified rate. And I felt myself softening and just kind of coming into the version of myself that I didn't think was possible.
I, I felt less reactive. I was more patient. I just, I carried that connection to nature and I found joy in so many things. And then I worked with it. Almost five. Well, five days a week. So five days on two days off for nine months straight. I microdose for nine months straight and a year later, almost to the day of when I took that first dose, my family was hit by a drunk driver.
And outside of Aspen, Colorado with my nine year old daughter and her 18 year old niece were in the car and we got side swiped. We flew through a guardrail and like 30 feet and landed in a ditch out in the mountains and. Had to pull our kids out of the car, navigate what it meant to heal from such a traumatic thing, and I didn't feel it sticking to me in a way that I think it would have, and I credit microdosing for being able to, like, alchemize that trauma and fear and heartache and pain, um, that we experienced as a family, I just felt it coming up and out.
And that led me to my first large dose journey, guided journey with a shaman. And a few months after that, I was meditating just normal meditation and MOM, Moms on Mushrooms, just sort of landed in my head. I was like, well, that's genius, but I am not the person to do this. And it became very apparent that I was, and that's how Moms on Mushrooms was born.
[00:10:13] Alana Kayfetz: I love that so much. So, I'm, I'm sitting in Canada, a lot of our audience is Canadian, um, I've been following your journey since I discovered you a few months ago, um, and me myself just recently Uh, large medicinal, um, um, doses of, of psilocybin. And I, it took me years to get here and I realized there was an article that I read in Harbor Bazaar.
I just pulled it up. It was published in April of 2022 and it was called Mommy's Who Mushroom and inside they're growing into some controversial. movement in which parents are using psychedelics to take the edge off modern parenthood. And I remember reading this being like, what is this? And feeling kind of petrified to be like, oh, no, no, like that's not for me.
I couldn't possibly be that person. Um, And like you, also never really experimenting with that many drugs. I would not really have any vices. I used to, you know, I drank wine through the pandemic, like we all did. Yeah. And now I don't, like we all don't. And, uh, it wasn't until I had some serious trauma with my own child almost dying, uh, that I had to work through from last year.
And I had some other people in my life who were sort of whispering, you know, in, in, in the dark alleys behind, you know, meetings being like, I did this thing and it was like, it looked different. You sound like your business is different. Like, I met this woman and we did this thing and it was like, all like, SMR, like whispering of like, I did shrooms and it was like life changing and I was like, really?
And it wasn't, it took me 18 months between that conversation, reading this article and then finally taking the trip to have this life altering experience. Um, tell me about your experience in your community. Mom specifically. Absolutely. Why? Why moms? Why do we need shrooms? Yeah. What is a shroom about?
Yeah. For women and moms specifically.
[00:12:01] Tracey Tee: I love that question because it, it, it does feel loaded as if moms need another thing to get through parenthood. And I would say like, I actually haven't really had a lot of negative pushback really at all. Um, except for the, the preconceived notion that we're working with this medicine to continue numbing out.
As you know, once you work with this, you, it couldn't be further from the truth. Like you're, you're the farthest away from numb that you could ever be when you work with psilocybin. You're actually so acutely aware of everything. That's where the healing happens. But through my, through my own growing relationship with the medicine and from my past of having been in the mom field for over 10 years.
And, you know, part of our comedy show was. after the show where we would stand in line and, you know, we would take photos with moms and we would hear these stories. And my partner and I would like cry ourselves to sleep at night. Like these women, some women hadn't ever left and gone out for a night out and their children were three, five, 10 years old.
And the show was the first reason that they came out like. Stories of heartbreak and death. And I just became aware of how
traumatized and unhappy the majority of American mothers are. And I'm talking coast to coast and everywhere in between. And so when I started working with this medicine, what was shown to me truly was that a this medicine was never meant to be done in a silo or in a vacuum. This is not a like a. Like a private, private, quiet thing, and it's not passive.
It's not meant to be just taken and you wait for your life to change like we do with potentially an SSRI. It's not like Advil, where you just wait for the headache to go away. It doesn't work like that. And what I was doing in the comedy world of bringing moms together to just talk and like elevate the things we have in common and the monandity and the things that are hard.
Now I was shown that it's time to actually start talking and healing from that. Like, it's fine to laugh and gather at a comedy club and have some drinks, but now things have changed. And we do need the community and we do need to connect and we do need to grow and learn this together. And I think it is the thing for many mothers who.
Their souls are crying out and they know that there's another way they know that there's something different out there, but they can't quite put their finger on it and nothing else has worked. And while I don't think that my producing or magic mushrooms are like a panacea, it's not going to heal everything.
It's not going to fix everything. I think they are. On the planet so big in this moment, and we're shown to me specifically to say, y'all need help and we can hear to help. And I always, I kind of like describe mushrooms is like, we're climbing over the fence. You still need to climb over the fence yourself.
And the mushrooms are just kind of under your butt, like pushing you up a little bit, but they're not doing all the hard work for you. And, uh, you know, we have a mental health, yeah. crisis in North America, um, both with mothers, parents, and with children. And if we don't get parents healed, if we don't get mothers healed, we're not going to be able to heal our children.
So we got to get ourselves right. And in my small corner of the world, this is the service that I was asked to offer. And if it, if it calls to some people, then that's what Moms on Mushrooms is for.
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Yeah, I think there's two things you're saying that I want to harp on. Number is, is there's a calling involved, right?
You can't do this if you're not called to it. You can't force it, right? Mushroom, you have to see, I, for me, it was seeing other people have these massive transformative moments where I could quite literally see that they looked different. Yeah. And that they, they had a different vibration from their inside radiating out.
I'm like, what did you do? Like, this is not working out. This is not any different. Like something has happened. And I now do that. People are looking at me like, you looked Incredible. I'm like, I, I know. It's the shrooms. It all happened with the shrooms. And for me, I don't, I don't micro dose. I just do like hero doses with the, with the, with the healer.
Who's very, And she said something on the podcast last month, because I'm actually going to Costa Rica in 10 days with her. And I'm so excited. I'm actually kind of nervous for my second big trip, but I'm probably going to start experimenting with microdose over the summer and see how it lands for me, which I'll ask you about in a minute, because I came from a different place where I'm not microdosing going to like these hero doses.
I'm doing the hero to maybe, and that's
[00:17:11] Tracey Tee: the, that's, you know, the kind of more common way. I think I just have, yeah. But we can talk about that.
[00:17:15] Alana Kayfetz: Cool. So, you know, she said to me, and I loved it, she said, sometimes, um, and I'm going to ask you about this to sort of take us down to the like psilocybin 101, but for me, what really resonated in terms of a great analogy, and I liked how you use like a little mushroom analogy pushing your bum up over the, what I loved that I've heard from her, and I'll share it with you, is she's like, when you, your throat chakra can sometimes be choking you in such a way where your mind, you're so in your head that your body never gets to connect.
When you have that psilocybin moment. This particular medicine used in this particular way. It's like, you know, your mind, your body, your soul, your heart, all of the CEOs of the corporation are coming in for a board meeting for the first time. And they're actually talking to each other around the table.
And as I sit here around a big table with six chairs, that's the exact analogy of like, yes, that's exactly what happened. So that's the way I'm trying to talk to people because I would say in Canadian culture, especially for women, especially for moms, this is, we are just, we're in 2022. We're always like a little bit behind the U.
S. Like we are still two or three years behind between people even having the conversation. So take us through, what is psilocybin? How does it actually affect us? Talk about the actual, if you don't mind, like chemistry and the science behind the plant medicine a bit.
[00:18:27] Tracey Tee: Yeah. So psilocybin is a, I'll just keep it.
Very basic is a psychoactive, um, chemical that affects the 5H2A receptors in the brain. Um, and it's actually this, there's a second part of psilocybin, which is psilocin, which is what is converted to that hallucinogenic, and that is, psilocybin is converted to psilocin when we ingest it and we metabolize it.
And then the psilocin is what causes the altered states. And, um, so we talk about how it affects our neural pathways, our serotonin uptake inhibitors, uh, our default mode network. What it's really doing is going into the areas of the brain where we have Or lack of a better word, like where we have our own ski slopes down the mountain, right?
Like we all have our own ski slopes and we take those trails every single day and they're smooth and they're, you know, they may not be the, the fastest way down. They may go around different things, but like, that's our trail. And what psychedelics can do psilocybin is create new trails, create better trails and leave those old trails behind so that you're creating new neural pathways so that you change your habits.
And so this is. You know, being applied in broader senses to many, many sort of untouchable things that we haven't been able to, like, figure out, such as PTSD, addiction, you know, big T trauma, um, uh, treatment resistant, depressant depression, where you just can't get through for some reason. And, you know, there's a lot, I think, you know, I approach still Simon from a more energetic and spiritual standpoint.
But the energetics of it and the way it works in our brain allows us to, in an altered state, take an observance of who we are, what we care about, what we're struggling with. review it and, um, think about it in a different way and then you can clear it. So sometimes that means facing your demons head on, which is where, you know, I think we hear about bad trips and people having these awful things in the right setting, a bad trip.
I like to reframe it as a difficult trip, but there's lessons underneath it because you're looking at your demons straight in the face. And, um, And you can resolve things in this expanded altered state that we typically aren't able to resolve through what's been offered to us, which is like traditional talk therapy and S.
S. R. I. And the difference between, for example, an antidepressant and a psychedelic. And I'm using just very basic metaphorical descriptions, but an antidepressant is a closer. So it closes you down from outside stimuli, essentially. So it allows you to regain your balance and a set of normal by closing things down.
Psychedelics are openers. Psilocybin is an opener. So it expands you to see things from an expanded state. And in that state, you're able to kind of push through the tunnel. So from, you know, the large dose journeys are what we have studies about and what we know the most about. And those are the ones that, you know, truly are like scientifically proven to be the most effective.
I mean, even in the fifties, we were doing work with, you know, alcoholics like skid row alcoholics who would take one large dose journey in a guided sentence setting. And we're walking away, never drinking again. And not only that, never wanting to drink again. So not only was the addiction and the dependence on the substance cured, but the desire for it left as well.
And that's what I'm saying, like psychedelics get to the root of things where other things don't necessarily do it.
[00:22:26] Alana Kayfetz: I, I'm the, the frontal cortex rewiring to me is the part that like. I actually approach every single day so differently than I ever would have previously. Yeah. And I find that like in traumatic moments or things where things feel like I'm in the eye of a storm, I can reach literally inside of myself and just pull out something that happened seven months ago.
I did stream seven months ago and here I am sitting here still able to tap into myself and not look externally for anything. Not only that, I've made enormous changes in my business, my personal health, my marriage, the weird projects. Everybody is just, it really is so encompassing and I've done, I've been on Welbutrin for three years.
I've done, um, on hours of all sorts of therapies. I've shot my way to health, didn't work. You know, I ate my way to health, didn't work. I drank my way south, silly, didn't work. You know, it doesn't matter what vacation I go to sit in, in Mexico. It doesn't work. Not the same way that this does. It is so revolutionary and I cannot wait.
For what will happen when it erupts on the scenery in a way that is, um, I think frankly going to change politics, economy, scale, um, you know, mental health in totality. What do you think is the linchpin for why people are, I mean, it's, I was nervous and scared the first time, um, because I just didn't know very much about it and it wasn't mainstream.
Do you think that like the psychedelic party drugs of the 70s is like just so hard to come back from? Or what do you think is really the biggest hurdle or, um, barrier to entry from your community?
[00:24:02] Tracey Tee: Um, misinformation. Um, you know, here in the States. All of this groundbreaking research was happening in the fifties ground.
Like I'm saying, you know, curing alcoholism, trauma from veterans, from wars, uh, eating disorders. Like there was so much amazing science. happening and studies happening with psychedelics. And then our government just completely shut it down, could shut down everything, became illegal for doctors and scientists to continue research.
They could even do research, let alone have it accessible to, to the public at large. And then we spent the next 40, 50 years being flooded with misinformation about psychedelics. If you take this, this is your brain on drugs. You're frying your brain. You're going to jump off a building. Fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear.
And then ironically, in the back, you know, our government just opened the doors to let cocaine just flood our streets. And I wouldn't even get into the like. racial implications of incarcerating people of color over white people who are walking around with dime bags of coke, you know, um, so everything got inverted and they, you know, in a sense allowed the bad drugs to, to be pervasive.
And we just. We, there was a complete misinformation campaign on the good drugs and it's really hard to come back from. It became a moral thing. And then yes, the seventies, the sixties, you know, the, that medicine, this medicine came on so strong and in a really revolutionary time. And, you know, I've talked to a lot of ex hippies and people who were there.
And they admit like we went overboard, you know, we took too much of it. We weren't responsible. They, we didn't know we had no context. Our culture had no context around ceremony around sacredness. It's not who we are is the society. And so these expansive mind. altering drugs come on the scene. And you've got a bunch of young people who are already in a heightened state of revolutionary change.
And they're just going and doing everything they can. And what happened was a lot of people were like, well, then all drugs are good. So I'm going to take acid and, and, and mushrooms. And then tomorrow I'm going to take heroin because it's all the same. And then we wound up with a lot of addicted people.
And it took a while for us to have like a full reset. Get some wisdom. Look at this from a more like a less like more is more place. And I think that's where we're at now. I think the people, many of us in the psychedelic space are taking a much slower, more intentional, more sacred approach, um, and, and it's just going to take time to reframe the narrative to inform people like what it does and what it doesn't do.
And the, the, yeah. And then on top of that, we have become a culture that like celebrates alcohol and look, I still drink. I'm not shaming people who drink. I don't drink nearly like I used to. And I, I know why I drink it now. I like wine with dinner on a special night, but like, um, we, we have liquor stores on every street corner and the alcohol culture has been so pervasive.
And what we don't know is that alcohol is. is the most toxic drug on the market and psilocybin is the least, but we've got to educate the community that that's the truth.
[00:27:28] Alana Kayfetz: I love that so much. I think I'm so excited to see where this, the feminine divine sacredness of this progress leading the path is to me the most exciting about the revolution that is about to come from
[00:27:40] Tracey Tee: psychedelics.
Yeah. It needs to be, we need to put women at the front for a little bit. Or at least the sacred feminine. Yeah,
[00:27:48] Alana Kayfetz: that's completely agree with that. And the beauty of the whole thing. Oh my God. I remember after I did my trip, it was like, I couldn't sleep for 36 hours also because I had done it with MDMA, which is,
[00:27:59] Tracey Tee: um,
[00:28:00] Alana Kayfetz: yeah, which was like really beautiful and special.
So I couldn't sleep for 36 hours. And I remember not eating for 36 hours and then. Afterwards, like seeing everything like I was like almost tearing when I, I, when I saw the Toronto skyline for the morning, I was like, where do I live in this? I remember eating like a hard boiled egg or like cottage cheese and I was like, this is the best tasting.
So like for people just to have that moment, that aha moment, that perspective where it's like a hell yes to life, but I mean, like worth it really like walk around with it being like a, kind of a lights off, not really thriving, kind of just on. Living on autopilot and what I find that's interesting about you Tracey's Tracey specifically is you have sort of become this mouthpiece and like the corporate very traditional media, you know, this like revolutionary idea where you're like this blonde, cool, funny, very knowledgeable, very inspiring, almost disarming because you're so charming, but you're also like it's unassuming how you are.
Yeah. Well versed you are in all of this. I love the fact that you're schooling Dr. Phil and you're schooling Fox News. Like how do those moments feel where you're like the person coming and being like, I am not like I saw an interview you did. You're like, I'm not a bad mom. I'm not, you know, whatever it was, it was like, people are really having a hard time understanding this.
And it's, I say that now because like, I just actually watched the Addy Ashley Madison expose yesterday, which I didn't mean to watch, but I ended up watching the whole thing. People are really not okay. And people are doing things like experimental affairs and stuff like that. Like they're looking for anything to make their life just feel anything.
So how does it feel to be like the woman feminine energy in these very male spaces and very traditional media? Mm-hmm . Preaching the gospel when people are just not even understanding, they're trying to ask the hard hitting questions, but like they don't know. They don't really know what they don't know.
How, how does that feel to be the person leading, leading the charge there?
[00:29:49] Tracey Tee: Thank you, medicine, because I, you know, did enough shrooms where my ego and my triple Aries Enneagram 8 manifesting generator self can take a side, a side, and she can look at things. And I have been filled like, you know, when you work with this medicine long enough, your heart just cracks open.
It's heart opening medicine. And so I really just, first of all, it's not me talking. Whatever. It's source, spirit, God. I feel like I just opened myself up to be a channel for spreading the good word. So I don't really, it doesn't really have anything to do with me and I just don't view it like that. Um, which having, you know, spent a life on stage is actually a very different approach to being a public figure.
Um, and I just think, you know, I think two things. One, they don't know what they don't know, and they're here to try to stir the pot, and I don't have to, I don't have to be the mix in that pot. Like, I can hold my own. I'm a smart person, and I have a right to be here. And then, two, if I just speak my truth, and don't let someone who wants to get a rise out of me.
Don't let them rattle me. If there's one mom, one mom who hears the words coming out of my mouth and says, I get it. That's my, that might be the ticket. Then it's worth any amount of ridicule. And it just that those two things, um, just make it, just make it easy. Cause I'm kind of detached from it all, which is another big thing of microdosing and working with this mushrooms is like removing an emotional attachment to everything.
You know, we talk about being triggered. We talk about having these big feelings, but the truth is, is like. So much of the world and so much of what I experienced in the world has nothing to do with me and to be able to let that go has been like life changing.
[00:31:37] Alana Kayfetz: I love that so much. Tell me about your interview, Dr.
Phil.
[00:31:40] Tracey Tee: You know, it was, I was excited to go because it, um, they framed it as, Uh, episode they were going to do about psychedelics. And I was going to be the woman who was talking about microdosing. And what it turned out to be was about moms on mushrooms and about me and how dare I as a mother. So, so, you know, about a third of the way through, I was like, Oh, Oh, this whole thing's about me.
Okay. Um. Did you feel like it was a bit of a switch with the producers? Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, it was because I, I mean, it truly was. I thought I was speaking on a panel. I knew there was going to be opposing viewpoints, which I always welcome. I mean, there, it would be foolish for me not to listen to and consider opposing sides of this, of course, and it's not for everyone.
So I was not afraid of that aspect. But what it came, what it came down to was that it was about me and about me being a bad mom, about me modeling behavior, about me raising my kid around drugs. And, um, again, I, I'm actually really grateful because I think they edited it. In my like, not maybe not in my favor, but they could have made me look real crazy because as you know, if you work in the media, like they could have really done a number on me and I feel like they were kind and is considered as they possibly could for the entire conversation.
So I'm. I have nothing but gratitude for, for it. Um, and you know, Dr. Phil doesn't know what he doesn't know, you know, he, and Get
[00:33:11] Alana Kayfetz: that kid on shrooms and see what happens.
[00:33:13] Tracey Tee: I mean, yeah, so it was, it was awesome. It was great. Um, by the time I got to the airport that afternoon, I literally went straight from the recording studio to the airport and I was sitting eating a hamburger because I hadn't eaten all day and I'd been up since like four.
Um, I checked my instagram and two women in the audience had found my instagram page and dm'd me and said, thank you Thank you so much for what you said, uh, microdosing changed my life and I'm so glad someone is finally sticking up for it. I've always been afraid to talk about it and these are just women who were randomly in the audience that day.
And from that point, I was like, okay, we're going to be okay.
[00:33:48] Alana Kayfetz: So since you've been sort of the, I don't know, um, leading like a, like a, like a phoenix rising from the ashes and being the person to bring this out to, I want to say like public discourse for moms specifically. Um, first of all, like, I know there's some like rules about dosing, how much you're supposed to do for how long you're supposed to do it.
Can you just lead us through some of like the logistics and operations? As moms, we want to know everything. How do you do it? Yeah. How do you take it and how much and where do you start? And I'm not going to ask you where you get it, of course, but anything beyond that. Um, yeah, yeah.
[00:34:19] Tracey Tee: Well, first of all, I have a really great download course for that for 40.
So it's all, I got it all written out for you. If you want to just dive in and read it when you have that. Oh, so give
[00:34:28] Alana Kayfetz: us 10, give us 10%. Yeah. No, no, of
[00:34:30] Tracey Tee: course not. So I'm just saying like, you can expand further on what I'm about to say, but truly microdosing is taking one 10th. to 1 20th of what is considered to be a normal kind of hallucinogenic dose.
So typically for most people, and one thing I want to preface is that this is not a one size fits all medicine. And a lot of working with psychedelics and psilocybin is about unlearning the allopathic medicine model that we've all been taught because it doesn't work that way. You don't just get things in a bottle that's prescribed and, you know, Susie, Larry, and Joe all get the same amount of something There's a lot of variables.
And so everything's a little bit different for everyone else. Um, but typically, um, if you take You know, one gram is when you really start to feel full body effects. You might have your, your, your state a little bit altered. And then one and a half to two and a half grams is where you might start seeing visuals, synesthesia, where you start to like see sound or taste color, you know, you become colors are brighter.
You feel that connection. You, you might feel a source connection. Um, and then when you get up to the three, three and a half grams, which is what's considered just like a, a heroic dose, a bigger dose, that's kind of like the normal journey dose. That's when you kind of go into a full altered state of consciousness.
Um, so a microdose is one tenth of that. So, for example, I typically take around 50 milligrams. of psilocybin, 50 to 100 milligrams, where if you're going to have, even start feeling perceptual effects, that usually starts around 500 milligrams or half a gram to a gram. So we're taking a really tiny dose.
And the idea is that you are micro dosing the, the, the benefits of working with the medicine without the perceptual effects. And The theory is that over time, you, with small doses that are taken consistently, you are starting to rewire your neuropathways without having a full blown, like, psychedelic experience.
And so, Um, so how do you take it? When do you take it? You know, most people typically take their microdose in the morning. Um, we really, at Moms on Mushrooms, believe in intentional microdosing, like really understanding why you're here, why you want to work with the medicine, and then really using your intuition to decide how and when you should take it.
I don't really, we don't really have like a protocol. Um, there's two main protocols that are out there, the Stamets protocol and the Fadiman, you know, um, and I love Paul Stamets like to death and I respect and love James Fadiman, but I just don't think we needed another dude like telling us who takes rooms.
So we really believe that. intuition can guide you, but you, you definitely want to follow a couple rules, which is you never want to take it seven days a week. You always want at least a couple days off because those are your integration days. And the, the really cool thing that differentiates microdosing from traditional allopathic medicine, like an SSRI is that you're taking intentional days off.
And you're pulling in the lessons that you've learned while you were with the medicine, and then you're pulling them into when you don't have it in your body, and you're executing them in real time. That's how you're rewiring neural pathways. So. Um, uh, and then some people take it to in the evening. Some people, it really helps with sleep.
Um, I'm a really not great sleeper and it hasn't helped. It doesn't really help with my sleep. So I prefer to take it in the morning. Um, but then, you know, a lot of women experience, a lot of our moms experience just kind of very common things, which are. More presence, more patience, more creativity, the ability to think more, to evaluate a situation and work it out without being reactive, um, greater connection to God or spirit, um, improved communication with your partners or loved ones, um, these are things that just happened all the time, let alone like just an ability to experience joy and actually have some freaking fun, which I think is something that our society is greatly lacking in.
[00:38:52] Alana Kayfetz: Yeah, that was such a beautiful summation of what it is, how it works, and literally how to do it. Because I think people don't, people think about, you know, daily medicine, vitamins, and this idea of integration is a really, it's a unique thing that I think take a lot of people a long time to understand what is integration.
Yeah. So integration. Yeah. Go ahead. Go for it. Go. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
[00:39:14] Tracey Tee: No, I'm just, we're throwing that word a lot around. Um, and it is like, what does that mean? And I think to like, to simplify it, integration is actually just taking time to think about what you're doing in your life period. So you can really integrate anything, right?
And it might be great if we integrate vacations, like you go on a vacation and you come home and you really think about like, how was I different on that vacation? What did I learn? How did I act differently given my environment and how can I apply that to my daily life now? And so that is really what the medicine is.
And so one thing that we're missing, especially in our North American, Western, like more is more fast, fast, fast is we, a lot of people, you know, want to do a large dose journey. They do the large shows journey and then there is no integration. There's no kind of like come down or ability to talk with someone and make sense of that experience that you just had.
And that's where things can become very destabilizing. And when you like, look, you know, lose the lessons that the medicine gave you. So you really want to take your time and, and think about and sit with. And as you're saying, like seven months later, you're still learning lessons and pulling it out of you.
It doesn't, it's not just like it's done when you leave your ceremony, it stays with you forever. And years later, I'm still learning lessons and getting insights. It's at random times from journeys that I had many, many years ago. And so that's what integration is. And from a microdosing standpoint, it's an active way of saying, you know what?
I know that I can do this on my own again, the little helpers, but I'm still going over the fence. So today I don't need the little helper. I'm going to climb the fence myself and I'm going to do it because I learned some lessons the day before. And I also just want to say, too, that my philosophy is for, you know, why Moms on Mushrooms is here is, I love, I think, large source journeys are so important, so transformative, but they can be very destabilizing for someone if you're not prepared.
If you don't do the preparation, you know, God forbid you don't have a good guide. Who understands who can navigate those fields who maybe isn't trauma informed. Um, and I think that as women and as mothers who are naturally more cautious and curious, and we do actually like to empower ourselves with knowledge, I think creating a relationship with the medicine on this.
small level where you feel like you're in control and understanding how it feels in your body, learning about the scientific properties, learning about how, what it does, creating that relationship and then doing a large dose journey. You're just going to set yourself up better for success. And then post journey, micro dosing.
So you should think about this after Costa Rica, micro dosing is actually a really beautiful way to integrate. a large dose experience because you're still kind of with the medicine. And I find that if I start microdosing even a day after a large dose journey, it kind of brings me back to that state and I'm able to like just reflect and integrate more.
Um, and I feel like I can go deeper with my journey. So it's really helpful post as well.
[00:42:24] Alana Kayfetz: Oh, my God. Like this is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of Tracey's knowledge and what moms emotion can do. Um, I'm so thrilled to have this conversation with you with your time, your energy, your vibe. I like cannot wait for us to talk again in 12 months from now and to know it's going next for you.
Um, you want to give us quickly what's next and where people can find you, how they can. Use your services, join the community. Go ahead.
[00:42:45] Tracey Tee: Sure. Yeah. Thank you. Um, yeah. So just go to moms on mushrooms. com. Um, we have a really transformative, our foundational course is a three and a half month small group, um, course where you create that relationship and we hold space for you while you create that relationship with your medicine and you're doing it in community with other moms.
So you have a shared experience. And it's in the small 10 women or less. And we really take our time to let those onion layers come off and navigate all the big fields and all the ups and downs that can happen and really empower you with knowledge and support while you're doing it. So that's our main course.
We've got some coming up in June and they. They roll out all throughout the summer. We actually have an amazing course coming up. I think the end of June, early July, that's going to be for moms who are 60 plus, um, led by my mentor, um, who's a shamanic practitioner has been in this space for over 40 years as a mother and a grandmother.
And so. That's really exciting. Um, if you're just curious and or even if you've worked with this medicine and you just want a community, we have a great, um, private monthly membership called The Grow. It's only 2. 22 a month and it's open to everyone. And it's just a really great way to connect and learn and share knowledge.
And, um, And then if you're just curious and you don't want a big commitment, but you just want a deep dive, then I have Microdosing 101 for Moms. And then we have a Macrodosing Guide for Mothers, kind of 101 courses. You can drink your coffee and, and read about it. No commitment, no expectations, and just lots of information and resources for you to actually understand and understand through the lens of being a mother.
[00:44:24] Alana Kayfetz: I was muted. There you have it. That is it. There she is. Tracey. She's so incredible. Um, Tracey T. I got it. Um, moms on my streams, please go give her a follow on Instagram. I'm loving watching your growth. I'm loving watching your content and I'm loving learning alongside you. So, um, if you ever. You know, you have an open invitation to come to Toronto.
Obviously, you're very, you know, uh, very much like Colorado, the entire country. So, uh, which is super nice, but, uh, you are wonderful and I can't wait to see what comes from you. I wish you so much luck in the next iterations of your business and your life. Ladies and gentlemen, moms and dads, boys and girls, grandparents, anyone listening and watching.
so much for joining us today. Thanks, Tracey.
[00:45:04] Tracey Tee: Thank you.
[00:45:05] Alana Kayfetz: Bye. Bye. Thank you for listening. If you enjoyed this episode of the Mom Halo podcast, I'd love your support by sharing it with others, posting about us on social, or leaving a really good rating and review. To catch all the latest from me, you can follow me on Instagram at themomhalo.
Thanks so much. And I'll see you next time.
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