Cesar Marin sits down with Tracey Tee, founder of Moms on Mushrooms (M.O.M.), for a thought-provoking conversation on motherhood, psychedelics, and the power of community.
A passionate advocate for destigmatizing plant medicine, Tracey shares her personal journey and the profound impact psychedelics have had on her life. She and Cesar dive into the societal challenges mothers face when exploring psychedelics, shedding light on both the misconceptions and the transformative potential of these medicines.
Tracey also reflects on her recent appearance on Dr. Phil, where she sparked important dialogue about the intersection of motherhood and psychedelic healing. This episode is a must-listen for anyone curious about personal growth, consciousness expansion, and the shifting landscape of psychedelics in modern society.
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[00:00:00] Cesar Marin: My name is Cesar Marin and this is the Cultivating Wisdom Podcast. The show's mission is to have honest and provocative conversations about the practice of microdosing psilocybin as a way of achieving a more balanced lifestyle. Microdosing transformed my life and I truly believe it could change the lives of so many.
The show's mission is to set a buffet table of wisdom so that we can cultivate a better future. The idea is to poke at people's childhood curiosity. and sick to lift the stigma associated with psychedelics.
Welcome to a brand new episode of the cultivating wisdom podcast, where we talk all things psychedelics, all thing microdosing. And today I have the incredible honor of having someone who It's honestly an influencer, a big time influencer. And I'm sure if you would have said last, a year ago, two years ago, you're an influencer, you're going to be an influencer.
They would have said what kind of drugs do you want? I have the pleasure of having Tracy Tee on the podcast today. She is the founder of Moms on Mushroom, an incredible community for women to come together, share their experiences about microdosing. And just have wonderful, beautiful community.
Tracy, welcome to the podcast. It's such an honor to have you. I'm going to start right off by, by telling you this, and then we'll start this way. When I get introduced to psychedelics about six months ago, right? When my mind, when I'm awakened as a good journalist, I start to research as much as I can.
And the first person that I really came across that I said, that's me. Was an interview that you did with a local TV station. And I just, I said that's someone like me. That's a parent. That's a sibling. That's an everyday person, I can identify with her. So you became. At that moment, an influencer to me, to someone that openly talked about what they were doing.
Again, welcome to the podcast. I want to take you back to that interview. When you did that interview, when you first someone came and talked to you, did you think this was going to be where it is now?
[00:02:25] Tracey Tee: First of all, Thank you for that very kind introduction, and I am like, my skin is crawling with the idea that I might be an influencer.
[00:02:38] Cesar Marin: It's funny, it's funny that our president, there was a mushroom it's called spread to Culture. It's a blog. And they did a story on influencers. And they had come to me say, you know what? Can we talk to you? And I'm like, whatcha are talking about? I don't have a Ferrari.
I don't have a million followers. And they're like, no, you're a true influencer. You're the true definition of an influencer because you're influencing people to do something to better themselves. And that's what you are. That's what you are. Tracy. Okay, I'll that for a second. Don't doubt it for a second. That you are an influencer, you influencing people to find healing and to be better.
[00:03:07] Tracey Tee: Thank you because I couldn't hate social media more but it's a necessary evil. But thank you. And I receive the latter. That's very kind. And I love how aligned we are as like normal people entering this space.
I feel very much the same way. And I was just actually like writing that. I didn't want to enter this space. I did not want to do this. So when you ask, what was I thinking in those interviews and unbelievably, miraculously, there have actually been many interviews in the last year Every single one is a surprise and a gift and and it's confirmation that when you listen in my, from where I sit, when you listen to God, when you are shown your dharma and then you do your dharma.
[00:03:59] Cesar Marin: Yeah.
[00:04:00] Tracey Tee: In a humble act of service. Then things just present themselves. And you just, I just have to say yes. And so most mornings I just wake up and I think, all right, put me to work, God, like whatever it is you need me to do. And so I'm just continuously surprised and amazed at my life because I, yeah, I didn't plan on being here.
I really didn't. So yeah, I guess that's my answer to your initial question
and it's, and it comes in at an amazing shift in the time of your life because you were thriving. No, you had a standup comedy show with your business partner where you guys were thriving.
You, you guys were booking good shows and you were guys were going around the country and then the pandemic hits and you're found in a situation where okay, now what do I do?
Yeah, no, it was, we lost everything. We lost every, we lost a nearly 10 year old business in a matter of two weeks.
We lost the business. We lost a ridiculous amount of money. We lost opportunity. We lost our souls, we lost our joy very much. When you lose a business, especially when you lose a business and it's not your fault, none of that was our fault. We didn't screw up. We didn't make a misstep.
In fact, we were finally after paying our dues as anyone who's been in the entertainment industry knows. We were finally at a place where we were going to be in the black, like our, our spreadsheet projections were coming true. We were doing all the right things. And then everything just imploded.
It's a big grieving process. It's a blow to the ego. It's that sense of feeling like you have no control in the world because we don't. You're angry. You're sad. We were sad. We were a team of 13 people by that point. That was a lot of phone calls.
[00:05:46] Cesar Marin: Wow. That I had to make to
[00:05:49] Tracey Tee: tell people that we've run out of money and we can't pay them anymore.
Yeah. A
[00:05:52] Cesar Marin: lot of people you feel responsible to. A
[00:05:54] Tracey Tee: lot of people feel responsible. Yeah it, and, but. And yet as one of my teachers would like to say it set me on this path and I was given by the grace just stumbled into this medicine by way of actually just having a big spiritual awakening in the depths of my woe.
Like a lot of people did in 2020, I'm like a cliche 2020 awakener. And and then that, that led me to this medicine. Which led me to a car accident being hit by a drunk driver with my family in the car in the mountains.
And flying 30 feet in a ditch and having to pull your kids out of the car, which led me to my first spiritual and medicine mentor.
Because I needed to find a therapist for my family and we just happened to be guided to someone who had been underground working with this medicine for decades, and so when you, and then, which led me to my first journey which led me to seeing my Dharma, and so all of it, I can't even be angry about anymore.
It's just a fricking miracle, and I'm just along for the ride.
[00:06:59] Cesar Marin: Do you feel that you. Enjoy that now because you've learned, and I learned this by losing, I, I lost my job at CNN after 25 years, something that sort of really identified who I was. Yeah.
And you talking about where you were, I just imagine someone else, or anybody else potentially living in that sea of depression, right? If I would've done this, if maybe we would've done that. Oh gosh, yeah. Maybe whatever or that anxiety of what the hell are we going to do? Now, but it's when you start to really live in the now, right?
When you go, okay, wait a minute, let me take a deep breath. Let me realize that the past is the past. There's nothing I can do. This is out of my control. Let me see what I can control. And then the future. We don't know. Let's let me live the now. Let me not worry about what's happening a week from now, a month from now, because I have to worry about what's happening at this moment.
Is that what you found? When did you find that? In other words, obviously the pandemic comes and everything blows up and you're like, okay, where are we going? When did you have that awakening of saying, okay, this is this is where I take control of what I'm going to do. And you talked about a little bit when you realize what your Dharma was.
[00:08:05] Tracey Tee: Yeah. So that happened when I started microdosing plain and simple. I had been working and on the spiritual path for us for a number of years, frankly, and then it just got kicked into high gear when I had nothing else to do but cry for a couple of years. And I really had the time and space to Look at myself and pay, spend some time on myself, because we weren't doing nobody was doing anything.
But it wasn't until I started microdosing that like all of the puzzle pieces clicked together. And that's when I really, I felt this alignment of my mind, my soul, my heart clarity that I hadn't experienced.
[00:08:46] Tracey Tee: Maybe ever. And and an openness to being in the now I was able to just let go of the past and like just not, be sad about it when appropriate, but not emotionally attached to it anymore.
[00:09:02] Speaker 4: It's attachment. Yeah, you can get it out of my head. It's the attachment. Yes.
[00:09:05] Tracey Tee: I was able to just, and for me I'm. I'm six feet tall. I'm Austrian. I am very loud. I am an Aries. I'm an enneagram. Like I'm big personality and I'm also an empath. Like everything about me is big and so are my feelings.
And so to be released from that attachment to these big things was such a gift. And when you're not tied down, By heavy emotions or ruminating, gosh, you see the world so clearly. And then things, possibilities just present themselves because you're not thinking about that other thing.
So
[00:09:42] Cesar Marin: you're more open to them. Yeah. Yes, exactly. Exactly. You're focused on the, what can happen and not the, what happened, right? You're, yeah, or what could
[00:09:52] Tracey Tee: happen, what's going to happen.
[00:09:55] Cesar Marin: Exactly. I've already had
[00:09:56] Tracey Tee: all these things happen, and maybe that was part of it too.
Once you have enough big booms, you're just okay.
[00:10:01] Cesar Marin: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. How did you find out about microdosing? How did this sort of, was it other moms? Was it reading art? How did the term microdosing come into your life?
[00:10:12] Tracey Tee: Yeah. So crazy. I was on LinkedIn, which was in itself just weird, that I was even, I don't even know.
I don't think I was looking for a job. I don't know why I was on there. And this ad for microdosing came through by Casey Aaron who's an amazing leader and teacher in the space. And it was I'll teach you how to microdose. And it was taught by a woman. It was online.
I wasn't doing anything else. And I, something in me was like, I think I should just do it. And I told my husband, I was like, I think I'm gonna take this microdosing course. And only because I, like many people were just what is microdosing? What is it actually, and nobody could really answer that for me.
And I've spoken about this at length, but I've never really been a big drug person. I've smoked weed here and there and I live in Colorado, but like never did shrooms until I was. 45 years old.
[00:11:08] Tracey Tee: So I really didn't know what I was doing. So I took her course and it was amazing. It literally changed my life.
And inside that course I just had this like voice in my head that just kept saying, man, this just hits different when you're a mother. This medicine just hits different when you're a mother. I'm coming to
[00:11:27] Tracey Tee: this with different concerns. I'm approaching it from a different point of view, a different lived experience.
I'm working with it in different parameters. It just was, it all felt different and that's not to say it's better or greater than all. It just was different. And and then I just started, as I started to evolve and heal, I just, I had another voice say, Mom's need this medicine. My, so my comedy show was a comedy show for parents.
It was
[00:11:58] Cesar Marin: experiences being a mom. No, there was you guys would share your experiences of parenthood.
[00:12:02] Tracey Tee: Yeah. So we were, and in part of our show, one of the biggest things that we, in was spending an hour an the show, taking photos a that came and hearing the were, they're mostly heart women that felt very alon Some women had come t the first time they've be Literally years. Wow.
[00:12:28] Tracey Tee: And Shane, I used to cry ourselves to sleep like, wow, there's women. It's like everywhere. And the mothers are just, and we is as connected as we think we are. No one feels connected. And so to bring people together in a room and just laugh about the things we had in common was such a gift for everybody.
Cause no one was doing it. So I was acutely aware of the need and then the medicine was just like, Hey, remember how you just spent all those years crying about other moms who feel unhappy? Look, I have an option for them if they're open or if it resonates. You're willing
[00:12:59] Cesar Marin: and open. Yeah.
And you already have this audience because they've seen you already, right? They've heard you, they've talked to you, they've listened to them. So for them, it's wait a minute. This woman listened to me before, now I'm going to listen to her. Now, what business did
[00:13:15] Tracey Tee: they have listening to someone that they formerly saw on stage cracking jokes about wiping butts, now telling them how to microdose?
It's a big, it's a big leap, but
[00:13:25] Cesar Marin: no, it is a big leap. But here I go back to the fact of they see someone that, you know what their life was turned on their head. And they're a mom and they have the same struggles that I do. And I resonated with her and I connected with her because she's like me when she was on stage and now she went through some of the struggles that I go through on a daily basis, depression, anxiety, and look at what she did and look at how it helped her.
Yeah. If it helped her, why can't it help me? And that's, for me, that's the message of cultivating wisdom, right? That that us who have awakened. And that's, it's funny because before we just started, I was like, okay, it's awesome that Tracy, because she was the first person to influence me is the first, I'm going to say, quote unquote, real person that I have as a guest.
Because I've had, Dennis Walker is a personality. You know what I mean? He's on stage, charlene is is Rick Dobbin's right hand man. I've had on, Dr. Michelle Wiener. We talked to Amanda Siebert from Forbes, but you're like the first person, like me like you're the first person that I can relate to in a way that.
I go back to the same thing. I'm a big advocate that we need people like us that can say, look, I'm a business owner.
[00:14:40] Cesar Marin: I'm a husband. I'm a father. I'm a son. I'm a member of my community. I vote. I volunteer. And yes, I use psychedelics.
[00:14:50] Tracey Tee: Yeah. I
[00:14:50] Cesar Marin: use them as a life performance enhancer.
[00:14:53] Tracey Tee: Okay.
[00:14:54] Cesar Marin: I use them as a biohack.
I don't use them irresponsibly. I don't use them to go trip out somewhere in the woods. I use them because it makes me more creative. It makes me more in tune with who I am. It makes me more empathetic. It makes me more authentic. Okay. It makes me more happy. And is that wrong? Is that bad? Is that something that we shouldn't be all looking for?
So it's awesome that. There are people like you who again, are influencers. We're influencing people to, we're not, again, I like to say we're poking at people's childhood curiosity, right? Don't
[00:15:34] Cesar Marin: microdose because I'm microdosing. No, microdose because you've educated yourself. Because you say, you know what I have intentions of what I'm hoping the medicine can help me with.
And I know that there's work to be done, right? Yeah. I'm not a big fan. And I've I followed you enough to somehow see that you're not a big fan either of the word magic mushrooms, because the magic doesn't come from the mushrooms and magic comes from the human. That's
[00:16:02] Tracey Tee: where the magic
[00:16:03] Cesar Marin: comes from.
[00:16:04] Tracey Tee: And I think that's also letting go of that idea that I have some sort of dogma to share. That's different.
[00:16:10] Tracey Tee: Like I, I think because we're just like, I'm just a mom in Denver. And I'm not a doctor and I'm not interested in, I'm not interested in being an influencer, frankly. Or a guru or anything like that.
Because I'm, I've been real tired of being talked at for the last 12 years of being a mother, I'm real tired of people telling me how to be and what to do and how to think I don't think I need it. I think I can figure that out on my own. What I need is people I can talk to about it and have conversations from the heart.
So that we can figure it out what works for us. And that's why I created mom because it wasn't about me sharing any sort of infinite wisdom. I don't have that. What I have is the desire to bring us together so that I can learn from other mothers just as much as they could potentially learn from me.
Because it's not about. Teaching, five ways to become an excellent micro doser. I don't know. I don't know how to do that, you just have to, but you do have to learn. So happy to do the research and provide resources to empower you to keep doing more research,
[00:17:16] Cesar Marin: yeah.
And I think the most important tool that we have and you're right, the sort of that influencer because of the monarchy that it comes with is a bit like, I don't wanna be an influencer because you associate it with, but we, I think we are thought leaders in the sense that we can share our experiences, right?
. How the medicine has changed us with other people. And I go back to the same thing, it's having people go, oh, wait a minute. Hold on a second. That it's not, here's someone with a tie dye shirt on telling me how, mushrooms are going to change my world.
Here's someone who is a mom who has the everyday struggles of a mom, no matter where, what social economic level you're at. Parenthood comes with struggles, motherhood. Comes with struggles, right? Because you're attached to this thing for the rest of your life, no matter what. And hence that comes with struggle.
So the fact that we can tell people that are going through these struggles, look. There's something out there that has helped me help me ground and center myself and look not only at myself, but everything around me in a different light, then, then that's the message, right? That's the message that we lead forward and it's important that I think all of us realize, like you said, that It's different for moms that it's different for and I think that's why all of these communities have to come together and we have to talking to someone they said, You know what?
I would love to in the future. See family healing.
[00:18:49] Tracey Tee: Oh, gosh. Yeah. Family
[00:18:51] Cesar Marin: healing, community healing. Is and I see that moms again, the fact that you've created this forum, this platform for mothers to come together and share their stories, whether it's stories of you. motherhood, whether it's stories of what protocol has worked for me and why it worked for me or why this dosage worked or why this dosage didn't work or the question we all get.
Where do I get my medicine? Exactly. I exactly, I'm not advocating what doesn't legal just, saying but it's where do you see your mission's already there, right? You've created this, what else do you want to add? What else do you, in other words, when you sit there at night and you have this huge smile and go, I hope I can I would love to do this.
What is that? What is that big? Like I, I.
[00:19:40] Tracey Tee: the big dream. My biggest dream, which was just a, a download and meditation is a million moms. Yeah. A million moms standing behind this medicine.
[00:19:50] Tracey Tee: I think that I believe that when mothers start to come out of the closet, the shroom closet, and they stand behind this medicine as something that they utilize responsibly with intention, with integrity, with sacredness with the intention of healing when mothers do that publicly.
Everything will change. There is, it's impossible for it not to, because we are righting the wrongs of our past. We are changing the narrative of what a mother, what it means for a mother to take her healing into her own hands. We are no longer subscribing to this sort of, it's like this kind of syrupy, condescending, slightly snarky attitude that like, Of mommy's little helper and I don't, it doesn't, I don't like it because underneath it is this sort of like looking down, it's we know motherhood is tough.
We know it's destabilizing. We know everyone struggles, like you said, but we're going to, so we'll let her have her volume and we'll let her have her martinis. And we'll let them have online playdates and isn't that nice for them? They can wear their t shirts and feel like they belong as long as their brains are sloshy and we'll let them have all the SSRIs they want and we'll tell them that they need them.
But we will not allow them to, excuse my language, fucking stand in their own power and fucking heal what was wrong all along. That is what makes me nuts. And so when we do that. And I think that this medicine, I think microdosing is a conduit to that when we stand behind it and say, these mushrooms changed me from this woman to this woman.
And this woman is better. This woman is a good freaking mother. This woman is a good partner and a good boss and a good friend and a good sister and a good daughter. She's better and she knows why and how she got there, then that narrative of the sad mommy's little helper, it, that disappears. And the future is a pathway of empowered women who are whole, who are raising children who can be whole.
Yes. And that changes the world.
[00:22:06] Cesar Marin: Yeah. No. And that's where it's, that's where it starts. That's it. It's exactly where it starts. And it's an, it's important imperative that Anything that could make us better people, right? They can make us better people. I look, I had this adage and I actually posted points.
I said, I've yet to meet anyone who's microdosing who's an asshole. I have it. I have it. Yeah, I'm trying to think. We can all be
[00:22:29] Tracey Tee: assholes. Of course we can. I'm an asshole sometimes.
[00:22:33] Cesar Marin: But it's in the most general part, it's less. It's definitely less. And it's that that Hopefully it loses.
And again, it's more moms as a million moms can say, no, this isn't mommy's little helper. This isn't, I used to have a little helper, and it's funny because a couple months ago I was in a supermarket and I was wearing one of my shirts says micro dosing on and some mom comes up to me and she goes.
Do you microdose? And I was like, yeah, how can you tell? Cause my smile, she goes, no, because you sure you don't. And I said, okay. She goes, you know what? I microdose also. And she goes before I used to drink a bottle of wine every day. I'm home and I have a glass of wine because I wanted to forget about work.
And I wanted to forget about. Kids were whatever. And then I would have by the second glass, I'd forget, why I was drinking and by the third glass, I'd forget everything. And now it's I microdose every three days and I feel so much more aware. I'm a better, like you said, I'm a better mom.
I'm a better partner. I'm more present for my kids, for my husband. I feel amazing. Why not? Why do we not? Put the power in the people to be able to heal themselves. That's something that I just don't get. And it, but I, but, again, it's, we're getting there, right? We're getting there, yeah. And we have to have the conversations
[00:23:44] Tracey Tee: and there's a long, there's a long road of misinformation that we need to lovingly correct.
Yeah. And there's a lot of fear and deservably. The brain is the final frontier, right? So there is a lot that we don't know. So why? So yes, let's do research. Let's do lots of research. Let's have lots of studies. All of those are good things. And let's have lots of debates. But let's also just have an open mind and say, maybe it's possible that my perception of this one thing.
Might have been a little bit
[00:24:14] Cesar Marin: wrong, right? You know what I tell people? I go the tone was wrong. They kept telling us it's gonna change your mind. If they would have said, It's going to change your mind. It would have been totally different. We would have gotten it. We would have got, and that's what we're getting now.
That's the message now and slowly, but surely it can change your mind. It's going to change your mind. And in the
[00:24:38] Tracey Tee: meantime, all I can do is lead by example, right? Show up at that grocery store. Definitely not with my brain dripping out my ears, like showing up to school, definitely not high, showing.
And and the more I just show up as me. You can't argue that it's messing with me, no, there is no argument, not like it's not, I'm not going to fall over. It's just not how I'm not gonna, it's just not going to happen.
[00:25:03] Cesar Marin: No. And that's, again, that's what people need to see.
That's what people need to be aware of. And by us wearing it on our sleeves, proudly saying, yes, we do it. And it's awesome that It's the message is getting out there in many ways, right?
[00:25:19] Tracey Tee: Totally.
[00:25:19] Cesar Marin: Mass media is seeing that there's this conversation. Some of them might want to take it to one extreme or whatever, but the conversation is had.
And I go to this because you were just on the Dr. Phil show. And like I posted, there's no bigger way to say this has gone mainstream. Thank you, Tracy T. Thank you. Let's
[00:25:41] Tracey Tee: give a shout out to Dr. Phil and Co for having the episode. That was definitely, that was that was. A big, that was like its own trip doing that entire experience is the only way because I wasn't in Kansas anymore and I was you're right.
We can't, I think sometimes I've been very lucky to be almost a hundred percent supported by just about everyone in my life. And then this industry this space, I'm continuously just. So impressed and amazed and delighted by how open and welcoming people are and supportive, like who am I?
And I know you felt that too who am I? I'm nobody. And people are like, come on in, join us. We're glad you're here. And that's been so awesome. But that is not the real world, The real
[00:26:34] Tracey Tee: world watches Dr. Phil in the afternoon and they don't, they think that I'm a real bad person. And so I was, I'm very grateful that I left the bubble.
And I took it on the chin. Big time.
[00:26:46] Cesar Marin: You took a huge punch. I took a huge punch for all of us, for all of it. And you know what? No, we were all on Dr.
[00:26:53] Tracey Tee: Phil. We were all on Dr. Phil. And I am still standing and and I'll do, I would do it again. I do it again tomorrow because we got to start talking.
[00:27:01] Cesar Marin: Yeah,
[00:27:02] Tracey Tee: that's it.
[00:27:03] Cesar Marin: And you know why? And you know why? Because Dr Phil has a million viewers, let's say, and of those million viewers, if you poked at the childhood curiosity of 20 of them and 20 of these moms are like, Oh my God, I fucking struggle. And now I have hope. And you just changed 20 of them. One, it make it accomplish worth it.
Make it a WAW. Totally. A big time. W because the rest of them, they're, it's gonna be hard to change their mind. Yeah. It's gonna be, they're, they've been programmed, they don't see it. They've been they're go to a doctor. The doctor's going to tell you what you have, you're going to tell you what pills, whatever, because some pharmaceutical might have been in their
[00:27:44] Cesar Marin: office before you were.
And then hopefully, you can go on your way or you can find a new path. So that's awesome that you are again. Not an influencer, but yes, an influencer. I'm going to take it on a
[00:27:57] Tracey Tee: chinner.
[00:27:58] Cesar Marin: That fits you. Yeah, you are. It was funny because you know what it reminded me about just, and again, as we record this, the Dr.
Phil episode is not aired yet, but seeing the clips reminded me, the promo clips reminded me actually a bit of watching Rick Doblins have to take it, at a show. And I'm like, Holy cow. Look at Tracy. And that's the thing,
[00:28:21] Tracey Tee: it made me acutely aware of the shoulders on whom I stand, that people like Rick Doblin and my medicine teachers and the people who have been underground for centuries doing this work, like from the bottom of their soul.
wondering every day if they're going to get arrested, shut down everything. And then just the judgment made me so grateful and so humbled, because I, it was in that, if you look at it in that sense, it was very easy for me to go and spend a day in LA and get. Punched in the throat by mainstream media.
But also to your point, and this, and my mother said this actually was on the plane, like trying to make sense of it all. And she was like, you, if one woman, if one mother who didn't think she had an option, just thinks that maybe this might help her. And it does would you do it again? I was like, I would do it right now.
Of
[00:29:20] Cesar Marin: course. So it doesn't
[00:29:21] Tracey Tee: matter. Cause it's not about me.
[00:29:23] Cesar Marin: Yeah, exactly. It's about the people whose eyes we open up to the potential of healing and being a better person, right? Yeah. And that's important. But again there's a lot to it, right? And it's as a member of your community, as a mom, as a daughter how did you find it difficult?
to tell your loved ones, your friends, you're doing psychedelics. And then in that case also, you're going to have a lot of people who are going to go, you know what, I would love to heal, but my partner would kill me, my partner,
[00:29:57] Cesar Marin: my mom would, whatever, my kids would see how do you, how did you deal with that and what advice do you have for people?
Yeah,
[00:30:07] Tracey Tee: that's a great question. I didn't talk about it much at all for a long time. And then when I did depending on the circles again, for the most part, I was met with really? Wow. Great. Tell me more. That's, I would say that's 95 percent of the response. So I've been very lucky and that was confirmation that whatever I was making up in my own head actually wasn't true.
Because again, when you come to something from an authentic place and I'm not trying to convert anyone. Eventually people just started to wonder she lost that business. What has she been doing with her time? I just, I've been like, I'm teaching these micro dosing courses to women, to mothers.
So for the most part, everyone's just been very like. they're not into it, they're very curious, which is great. If they've been doing it, they're relieved that they found some another sister in the space. And then there's some that are horrified, frankly, and horrified that what I'm doing is bad, wrong, evil.
I don't know. I'm not really sure. They don't want to talk. And I get it because I was that way too. I thought that this was all bad. I, my whole life I thought, Drugs with the, quotes were bad, so I understand it and and if you layer in, religious perspectives, there's arguments that, I'm opening myself up to entities or to false light and all of that stuff.
And it's really hard to describe and that's even, and I'm grateful for Dr. Phil even in that space, because you don't really understand conviction until you have to share your conviction. And so it's really hard to say, I don't want to say I'm right because I'm not right in the sense of like winning an argument, but I know I'm okay.
I know that what I'm doing it's from my soul because I've never lived like this before. So you can tell me that I'm wrong or that something might happen, but I. I, I can't even, my brain doesn't compute it because it's just simply not going to be, it's just simply not and I constantly, yeah.
[00:32:07] Cesar Marin: Because it's not the truth. No, I'm constantly
[00:32:10] Tracey Tee: like, Oh, am I just going to wake up one day and this is all going to be like a bad dream? Like I really screwed up. And I just. You just can't, it just, it's impossible to, and I think it's shown by all of the support, if I was really fucking up, I would be meeting met with a lot more hurdles, I'd be putting a round peg into a square hole and I'm, that's not really what's happening.
[00:32:32] Cesar Marin: And I think again your work comes from the heart. It's authentic. It's genuine. It's not, you're not in this to what, like you said, to get famous or to get followers or to make, kazillions of dollars or to be, the forefront or, you didn't go on the Dr.
Phil show to say, Hey, I am, the top bad ass woman in this psychedelic space. I know that for a fact. So I think that's why. Everything you're doing is flourishes, right? Yeah. And you're doing it from the heart. You're doing it.
[00:33:08] Tracey Tee: Things are just easy when you're from the heart.
And I, you got to think the medicine for that because my ego has died a thousand deaths at this point. So there's just no, it's not to say she's not there, but she's not there. Like she used to be. And when yeah, when you can turn that voice and put her on a shelf, like Gosh, it just, things just become a lot more clear and simple.
So if it was about me, I'd be pushing more. That's old Tracy energy. That's not new Tracy. I'm just here to do what I'm told.
[00:33:38] Cesar Marin: You're, there's a, there's, I could tell from how you talk about the old Tracy and the new Tracy, the sort of that, that, that post awakening, that post transformation And that the question is not do you miss anything from the old Tracy, right?
But it was just a different world, right? It was that accolade of being on stage with an audience that you felt really attached to, right? On a on a consistent, almost daily basis, that you. That now you hold space for women sometimes in, not in personal, because I know you have, one on one calls with anyone that's going to, that's going to take your course, which I think is incredibly important because you listen to them.
But do you miss that one on one connection? Do you miss that sisterhood togetherness that you had, during your shows?
[00:34:25] Tracey Tee: Oh yeah. I miss that energy of humans in the same room together laughing like there's nothing. There's no medicine like that.
[00:34:34] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Do I miss going to be incredible high?
It is an incredible high. It's just it's like peak high frequency energy. Not really, I don't really miss performing. Will I go back on stage at some point? Probably it's in my DNA. Is there a show to be written about psychedelics? Absolutely. Yes. Is this funny? A hundred percent.
[00:34:56] Tracey Tee: And I certainly never want to take myself too seriously. So I, I don't know that's over, but yeah, I miss and I'm trying to work that out for mom, like, how do we gather, how do we gather, but working with moms is its own beast. It's like herding cats, there isn't a lot of time together, frankly.
So the, so courses on zoom was a real big gift. To the mother's here,
[00:35:16] Cesar Marin: correct? Yes. Yes. Because it didn't have to go anywhere. You didn't have to get whatever, even if you're going to
[00:35:21] Tracey Tee: meet for an hour, it's a half hour there, a half hour back. No mom has two hours.
[00:35:24] Cesar Marin: You can do a zoom call while you're making dinner for the kids.
[00:35:28] Tracey Tee: And we, people do because they should, or there's, some moms like a baby on her boob and people are eating dinner and bouncing kids. And yeah, that's life. So I'm super grateful that, the pandemic ushered that in for us because it works really well. And I also am, I'm having a, like this growing concern that we're also because of this.
Forgetting how to be in community with each other in real life.
[00:35:54] Tracey Tee: People are afraid to look each other in the eye. We're afraid to hug. We're afraid to sit, hold hands talk and spend time together and like actually feel each other's energy because we are safe behind these screens. And so I do want that to come back for mom in some capacity.
Because that is the, that's what the medicine wants. That's specifically what mushrooms want. The web is going to pull us ever closer together until we break out of this, these boxes that we all live in, it has to happen. So I don't know how that'll happen, but I'd like, I'd very much like it too.
[00:36:29] Cesar Marin: And it's something that's really needed. I have, one of the mottos of cultivating wisdom is to set this buffet table of wisdom so that we can cultivate a better future, right? Though that we sit around and talk to each other, that we take the phone, turn it over, look up and say, you know what, I have this wisdom about whatever, a TV show because I love, or this wisdom about, you know what, this parenting tip or whatever it is. that we set these buffet tables that we talk to each other again. And it's incredibly important. And I love how you talked about how you found this openness and welcoming in the psychedelic community, right?
Because I've incredibly felt the same thing. I've only been in this for six months. I had my awakening, last October. And then all of a sudden I get, laid off of my job. And now it's I have this thing Yeah. And it's just been so many people saying, Oh my God, we love what you do.
And this is awesome. And so many affirmations and again, life is a rollercoaster. There's days where I sit in doubt. There's days where I sit in, but the micro dosing has helped me turn that doubt into, okay, why are you doubting? What is it that you're doubting? What can you do in this moment to quell that doubt?
And not like before it was like. One doubt turned into two doubts, two doubts turned into three mixing. You're just sitting in like doubt, no, where that sort of the medicine has helped me to do that. And it's that empowerment of. Letting people know that you could live a much better life, that you could live a better way, that you can think a better way through the medicine, that it's awesome.
And the more message we get out there, the better. I think it would be awesome if moms went on tour, and you had a show where, you come out and say, Here I am, this is, this is how it's changed my life. And there's these highs and these lows.
And then, you have someone else that comes on someone who's at least a medical expert or someone who's a journalist and says, you know what? Yeah. Psychedelics are really here to stay. And then maybe have a panel with local people who are also micro dosing. So again, we can share these stories. I think right now it's about building community. That's what
[00:38:30] Cesar Marin: we need to do. We need to build these community of people who, I love what you said, coming out of the shroom closet. That's we need to get some t shirts, you and I, we need to do a little collab. On it. Let's do it. Yeah. We need to do a little collab because I think that would be awesome.
It's we, as the community grows, more and more people can come out of the shroom closet. I understand that there are people out there that can't. I understand that.
[00:38:58] Tracey Tee: A lot of the people I work with, are mothers who are dedicated in this space who can, who don't have the ability to come out like I did.
And I have said a lot of prayers in communion and ceremony with other mothers for protection for our children, for our families, because mother, we can't go to jail. We can't. And and it's ridiculous that's even part of the conversation at this point, especially on a, whatever.
It's and whatever, it doesn't make any sense, but it, so mothers can't go to jail. I, I. I was just talking with my team, BIPOC mothers have another layer. Of wanting to remain anonymous because the history of how we've treated people of color in this country when it comes to drugs, which is part of the whole thing we got wrong with the war on drugs is so criminal and so dark and so evil.
So there's these layers of. Of women, especially who just cannot be shown. And then you deal with women who are leaving abusive relationships or a marriage and are worried about losing their children, let alone just laws in different States that are very prohibitive. If you get caught with this stuff, it's very, it's a felony.
It's ridiculous. And so I'm not promoting for anyone to put that, put their lives at stake, at all. You absolutely shouldn't. And it makes perfect sense if you never want to tell a single soul about how happy you are,
[00:40:25] Cesar Marin: Exactly. Let them figure it out what I'm doing.
And that's the thing. So that's completely understandable. I just feel that for sure, the one of us that can, that have this voice, that we stand at the tallest mountain that we can and say, I agree, look at how it's changed me.
[00:40:45] Tracey Tee: Yeah. And that's, I think if you ask what's next that's it that's me.
That's it. I just gotta be loud. Pray that I'm given the right words that come from a place beyond me and that, my words for 2023 is compassion. And that I can see compassion in the people who think that this is terrible, and I can have compassion for the people who are struggling and trying to find access to this, and I can have compassion for the people who can't speak up.
But yeah, we gotta talk.
[00:41:15] Cesar Marin: Because you're right it's, you, there are people that can't talk, and I feel that we, The ones that can come from a place of privilege, right? Because one, we have a support system, right? We have either our partners or our kids somehow understand or know, or we've had the discussion with them if they're at the age of understanding because we're educated because, we've had prior experience.
So we're lucky in the sense that we can do that, that we can, probably because there's a lot of people who can't. Like you said, we have to be loud, we have to be the voice for the ones that can't, and not because they don't want to, but because there's just too much at stake for them to say, here I am.
We, we, when we were in Canadelic in Miami, we met a woman who said, look, I cultivate because I know all these moms that need this, right? But I fear for my life that if I get caught, my kids are going to be taken away. I'm going
[00:42:11] Cesar Marin: to lose my job. So what do I do? I'm sitting here paralyzed in fear, but knowing that I want to do this because I know there's so many people.
That's ridiculous that we live in something like this. So like the same thing what are their options? Go to a doctor that might say you know what? I don't know what you have, but How about these pills? Try these. Yeah. How about if the earth, maybe I bet on the earth to see if it can heal me.
Bet on the earth. Yeah. So it's yeah, and it's, and again, the more of us that have these conversations the more it gets talked about, the more Dr. Phils invite Tracy Tee. The more it gets out there. So I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart first for being, I'm not going to say influencer, but being the first thought leader, being the first thought leader in this space that really opened up to.
I'm an everyday person. You're an everyday person. This could potentially help you. So thank you. Thank you for that. Because, it came to me in a moment where I had a lot of questions where I had a lot of, trepidations where I was. Okay. And you said. Look, I'm a normal everyday parent who's doing this and I feel better and I feel amazing and I'm happy and I'm smiling.
So thank you. Thank you. And thank you for what you do for the voice that you are. It's so neat. It's so important. I'm honored that you've been on our show. I'm happy that you're in my circle. I'm happy that we've connected. Are you, since it's in Denver, are you going to psychedelic science?
Will you be there?
[00:43:44] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Yeah. We're going to have a
[00:43:46] Cesar Marin: booth. Do you have a booth? Okay.
[00:43:50] Tracey Tee: We're close. Yeah. We're on the same side. Yeah. You're up. Okay. Yeah. I'm in the corner. We're going to have a booth. There's going to be some fun stuff there. Yes. Yes. I'm very excited. Can't wait. Yeah. Can't wait.
[00:44:03] Cesar Marin: What else? What else do you have? What else? What else is mom's what else is on mom's calendar for 2023?
[00:44:09] Tracey Tee: Gosh, we've got so many exciting things going on. I don't know when this is airing, but we're starting a new type of course that's open enrollment. So it's not going to be a summer school. Yep. So that's not going to be a summer school.
a small cohort. It's going to be open to anyone. Normally we run a three month course that is not so much how to learn quote unquote, how to microdose, but how to create an intentional practice of your own around microdosing within a container where you can work it out with women who are like there for you and a facilitator who is there for you.
And we are, very clear that needs to be in a small enough container, 10 or less women so that you feel like you get the attention that you deserve. That being said, a lot of us have a lot of trauma around group work. A lot of us don't have the time to do the schedules. A lot of us just aren't ready to peel back those onion layers to effectively.
New strangers, so we reworked our course and did a larger group course. That's going to be super dynamic. It's going to have all the same principles as our main course, but again open to whomever. So if there's a thousand mothers, there's a thousand mothers, but we'll have breakout groups.
So you can still connect with some people and try to, make some connections. And then we're having guest speakers as well. So much less about our wisdom and more about other people. And then guest speakers talking on subjects that that myself and Anastasia, who's the facilitator, who should also have on this podcast, because she's got an amazing story.
That we know moms are talking about inside our groups. So that's happening in June and July. It's eight weeks. I've got for anyone who's just curious and just wants. The questions answered. I've got a micro dosing 101 for mom's course. You 44, you download it, you can read it in a day or two. It's just kind of answers to how the why all through the lens of being a mother.
And then we have the grow monthly membership, which is our Our monthly membership all on a portal that's off social media. So it's like Facebook for moms on shrooms, but private, safe mothers only it's these days. Less and less than a latte. It's like a third of the price of a latte.
It's not even at all. I
[00:46:24] Cesar Marin: went to Starbucks to get coffee with my wife and myself the other day. I was like, excuse me? I
[00:46:28] Tracey Tee: know. What? What? I know. I can't do it anymore. It's like taking all the fun out of getting coffee. So it's very affordable and we'll keep it that way always. And that's really for to people the mother who is interested in psychedelics, but doesn't know where to start because, Searching hashtag psilocybin on Instagram is a really terrible idea.
Don't do that. So you can have access the portals filled with resources and published scientific papers and podcasts and books to read and then you can Just post questions and talk to other mothers and it's also for the mom who's been in the been working with this medicine Maybe been in this room closet and has been seeking.
A community of like minded mothers, like we want those moms on our community as well because those are the teachers. So it's really open to any mom who's interested and who knows what the rest of 2023 has beyond that stuff. I don't know. I gotta get through psychedelic science first.
[00:47:18] Cesar Marin: I think we all have to get through psychedelic science.
That's going to be, that's going to be, that's going to be a monumental event. I just hope we're all somehow prepared. I don't think we are gonna happen. . Yeah. Yeah.
[00:47:29] Cesar Marin: I it's gonna be, it's gonna be like they said it's gonna be epic. So moms on mushroom.com, correct? . Yep.
Your Instagram. Where else can people check you out? Where else can you be part of the Amazing Mom community?
[00:47:40] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Being the influencer that I am I'm really only on Instagram, begrudgingly. And that's at I did finally get the handle. So my Instagram handle is moms on mushrooms official.
And I guess that's what I am on Tik TOK though. There's nothing there. You can do my Tik TOKs for me. And otherwise, yeah, just come meet us on the portal. And and and that's not to disparage. I'm like, so you're my influencer, because I wish that I could do that stuff. I just, it's not in my DNA.
[00:48:08] Cesar Marin: Yeah, you know what, it's you have some fun with it. You get some, you get to go to the community. Yeah,
[00:48:15] Tracey Tee: we all have our mode of, and that's how I found you. I fell in love with one of your reels. I'm like, this guy's like me, he's speaking from the heart. He's talking real.
And I'm like, I love him. So
[00:48:25] Cesar Marin: thank you. I appreciate that. That means a lot. That means a lot. I hope everyone enjoyed this podcast. Please continue to share us, continue to like us. It's you liking us that helps us to have incredible guests like Tracy again. Tracy, thank you so much. I'm so grateful that you were in my circle.
I tell people when my journey started, I found a fortune in a fortune cookie that said you will attract cultured and artistic people to your home, Tracy T. Thank you for knocking at my door. for knocking at my door. You're a blessing. You're a blessing in this space. You're a blessing to moms.
I'm glad. I'm glad. No, I'm glad that you're in my circle. I'm glad that we have you. I'm glad that the microdosing community has you as a voice. Because we need someone to sometimes take it on the chin. So thanks so much, Tracy. Much love to you. Much
[00:49:14] Tracey Tee: love to you. Love you. Thank you.
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