Beyond The Dose

In this episode of Beyond the Dose, host Michelle Harrell sits down with Tracey Tee, founder of Moms on Mushrooms, to explore how intentional psilocybin use, especially microdosing, can transform maternal mental health and family life. After losing her decade-long comedy business during COVID and surviving a traumatic car accident, Tracey discovered that small, carefully dosed amounts of psilocybin helped her wean off antidepressants, process deep trauma, and regain emotional balance as a mother. Recognizing that pregnant and postpartum women face unique hormonal, legal, and social pressures, and that few safe, stigma-free spaces exist for them, she launched Moms on Mushrooms in March 2022. The platform now offers cohort-based courses in dosing and integration, a private “circle” community for peer support, and one-on-one guidance on ceremony, intention-setting, and navigating regional laws. Tracey and Michelle discuss the importance of combining psychedelic work with ritual and ongoing self-reflection, cautioning against treating microdosing like a daily supplement without integration. They also highlight a Phase 2 clinical trial investigating high-dose psilocybin for postpartum depression, debate the merits of whole-mushroom versus synthetic compounds, and look ahead to future offerings, such as “fourth-trimester” rites and in-person gatherings, to heal the “sister wound” and nurture mothers at every life stage. Ultimately, they agree that by centering mothers in the psychedelic renaissance, we can foster healthier families and more resilient future generations.

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[00:00:00] Michelle Harrell: Welcome to Beyond the Dose, the podcast where we explore healing, transformation, and purpose. Hi, I'm Michelle from Purple City Experience Here to share stories, expert insights and tools to navigate life's challenges like depression, anxiety, grief. And burnout or simply define deeper connection and clarity from science and faith to legal psilocybin treatment.

[00:00:36] Michelle Harrell: This isn't just another podcast about psychedelics, it's about the journey beyond the medicine, beyond the dose. Together, let's uncover practical ways to live a more peaceful. Purpose-filled live.

[00:00:52] Michelle Harrell: Hi everybody. Welcome to another episode of Beyond the Dose. I'm your host, Michelle Harrell, and today I have the amazing Tracey Tee. If you don't know Tracey, you're gonna know about her in a few minutes. But I actually learned about Tracey and her organization, which is called Moms on Mushrooms, moms for acronym.

[00:01:15] Michelle Harrell: Good. I like that. And I discovered you, gosh, way back in I think 2022. I started following you, I think or it could have been 2023. I am trying to remember, but I started following you and then. I actually attended the MAPS conference in June of 2023 out there in Denver. And that was the year that you did the big group photo?

[00:01:36] Michelle Harrell: Yep. Out in front of the convention center and I'm in that photo yeah, so that was super exciting for me to get to see you in person and just. Feel the energy of that movement that you have created. So welcome Tracey. And I'm gonna pause and let you introduce yourself and maybe give our listeners a little bit background on your story and how you came to actually create moms and yeah.

[00:01:59] Tracey Tee: Please go ahead. Sure. Thank you. And I'm so glad you were, that was such a memory. I'm not sure it can ever be replicated, but I am so grateful I got to share it with so many hundreds of beautiful humans. Yeah. My name is Tracey t I'm the founder of Moms On Mushrooms. We're a online educational platform and community.

[00:02:18] Tracey Tee: Aimed at bringing moms together around the sacred use of psychedelics, mainly microdosing, psilocybin in this season of our organization. But we are we are supportive of all psychedelics. And I started mom because I really felt like my healing journey with psilocybin specifically. Was unique as a mother.

[00:02:42] Tracey Tee: And I think mothers who work with psychedelic medicine, I don't think, I know mothers who work with psychedelic medicine just have a unique experience. The stakes are a little bit higher. There's a lot more to consider. I think we're much more mindful, and actually I think in many ways, more respectful of the medicine because those stakes are high.

[00:03:02] Tracey Tee: And we have to bust through. Generations of stigma and wounding and judgment to take our mental health and healing back into our own hands and work with a substance that is still schedule one and criminalized and stigmatized so much. And as a mom, everyone's first thought is, what are you doing to your children?

[00:03:26] Tracey Tee: They don't look at the woman, they look at the mother. And so all of that combined really. Led me to want to create a safe space for moms to work with this medicine. And that's what we're doing. So we offer courses, we have a community, we have all sorts of different offerings, and my prayer is just that.

[00:03:47] Tracey Tee: Actually, my prayer is that Moms on mushrooms doesn't exist in a few years because we've all found our own practice and our own way of doing it. However, I do truly believe that psilocybin specifically and most psychedelics should be done and worked with in community. There's so much richness to be gained by not only sharing your experiences with psilocybin or psychedelics, but also hearing other people's experiences.

[00:04:10] Tracey Tee: And that's really what the community aspect of what I want to grow with Mom.

[00:04:14] Michelle Harrell: Yeah, no, it's fantastic. I'm part of that community. I. Grateful and honored to be one of the practitioners that's listed in your directory. I get to, what I love about it as a facilitator and a guide is I get to engage with these women.

[00:04:31] Michelle Harrell: I often, I. I just love some of their testimony that they share, but also, when they ask questions about, certain aspects of their practice or especially newcomers to this type of medicine, have a lot of questions and sometimes fear and anxiety around getting started. So it's nice to be able to just, that education piece I think is so important. And again, that community of knowing okay, all these other women are doing it, they're okay, they're safe, they're saying that they're. Parents. And so you know that, I think that's just such a great offering that you have, that platform is so great for the community.

[00:05:06] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. And I'm glad you're sharing your wisdom. That was my idea, is that we don't need, I. We certainly don't need another dude in a coat telling us how to work with psychedelics. And we don't really need anyone up on a pedestal or on a hill, at least of all me, that we can really just work.

[00:05:22] Tracey Tee: We can figure this out together. And so I love when people who have experience are helping people who don't, and. Again, there's just so much richness that's gained from that yeah.

[00:05:33] Michelle Harrell: And I think it's important, hearing it from a facilitator or a licensed practitioner or what have you or is one thing, but I think when they are able to interact with each other that adds another kind of layer of safety for people. Another layer of okay, so it's not just these people. That are in it all the time that are telling me it's gonna be good for me. I'm hearing other women's stories of healing and I think that's actually the powerful part of it.

[00:05:56] Michelle Harrell: Yep. Yep. Yeah, I'm, and those stories are big. Yeah. They're stories. Yeah, they are. Yeah. I got, I wish, I'm a mother of two daughters. They're more grown now, 18 and 21. And I so wish that I had learned about psilocybin or discovered its. Before my kids were born or when they were younger, because I know I would've showed up differently.

[00:06:18] Michelle Harrell: They're, yeah, lessons learned. We keep on trying and as Maya Angelou always says, you do better when you know better or something like that, yeah. Yeah, it's true. I'm curious. I know when you first started you did a big, you did a lot, you've done a lot of media coverage done your rounds.

[00:06:33] Michelle Harrell: I'm sure that, I know that you got some backlash. I think there was a particular episode of Dr. Phil or something where some woman came at you. And I'm curious, have you seen that start to shift? And have you seen the type of women that are willing to come forward and join this community or reach out for this type of support?

[00:06:53] Michelle Harrell: Has that started to change or I'm curious. What are your thoughts? Yeah, that's a great running, great question.

[00:06:59] Tracey Tee: Yeah, it's, it's interesting besides some, very specific media interactions. The pushback for mom, I would say 98% of the time has been overwhelmingly positive. I think what we see is the same, or I take that back.

[00:07:19] Tracey Tee: I'm seeing two things. We're seeing the same amount of interest with the same amount of fear, which is the fear is really just from misinformation and then just a deep understanding of not understanding and, and then again, we have a fear. The legal piece is very real, especially if you're a single mom.

[00:07:36] Tracey Tee: We just worry. Yeah. You are working in a public position. And fun. Funnily enough, we have all those moms in our community. We have several many people who work for the federal government. And it's all just on the dl. The other thing I'm seeing is now, because it's becoming more widely talked about, and it is.

[00:07:54] Tracey Tee: The narrative around it has dialed down a little bit. We're a little bit more chill about it all, is that people are just treating it like Advil and buying medicine from a bodega in New York City or on Etsy for the love of God and just taking it, not really understanding that this is ancient sacred medicine and is a completely different modality than a supplement.

[00:08:20] Tracey Tee: Or even an SSRI. And so we talked to a lot of people who are like, yeah, I microdosed, it didn't work. Yeah. And that, that's becoming the more common thing. Or I can just do this on my own. And it's not to say you can't do it on your own, of course, but I do think in this western culture, America specifically, and specifically mothers, we're at a time where we really need to recognize our illiteracy around ceremony.

[00:08:48] Tracey Tee: Around what healing actually means. That's not prescriptive. And we need to take some time to learn and open our hearts and our minds to some different modalities that are supportive, that feel very foreign and very hard. They feel very work intensive because they are the antithesis of this passive

[00:09:12] Tracey Tee: yeah.

[00:09:13] Tracey Tee: Allopathic western medicine model. And so that's really where we struggle. It's, people who are fear. Okay, underneath the fear is education. That's what moms on mushrooms is here for. And then people who are just like, don't understand that it's a big deal.

[00:09:28] Michelle Harrell: No I completely agree with you on that.

[00:09:31] Michelle Harrell: And that's. Yeah, unfortunately that's what happens when culture starts to shift and the narrative gets yeah, spun in different ways. But I, same, I often, I mostly work with individuals doing large doses and big healing journeys, but I also from time to time have micro, I'm doing a microdose workshop at the end of this month actually.

[00:09:51] Michelle Harrell: And that's, one thing that I try to educate all my clients on, this is not a quick fix. This is not a magic pill you may come out of, for the folks who don't wanna put the work in, I always say they may come out of this. With some insights and some, shifts in, in what they're thinking.

[00:10:09] Michelle Harrell: But if they don't continue an integration to work, which is, as we all know, that's where the real work is, as well as with microdosing, is through the integration process. If you're not willing to do that, then it's, at the end of the day, it's just an experience and it might have been a beautiful experience but it's not gonna take you further. It's not gonna get you to where you're hoping to get. Yeah, I thank you for saying that, and I can, yeah, I think I agree with you. I see some of that starting to happen and Yeah. With Microdosing it takes months before you start to

[00:10:39] Tracey Tee: see Yeah, it really does.

[00:10:41] Tracey Tee: And it also, it requires a decent amount of buy-in, which is something again that we don't understand in. The context of medicine or healing, we want it to be done for us. We're also a culture that's incredibly resistant to being uncomfortable.

[00:10:59] Tracey Tee: Yeah. We

[00:11:00] Tracey Tee: anize all of the high and low feelings, all of them, right?

[00:11:03] Tracey Tee: If you're too, if you're too. If you're too joyful, if you're too eccentric. If you're too loud, you're too much. She needs to calm down. If you're too low, if you're too weepy, if you're too angry, she needs something to calm her down. And so we just numb out those swing emotions and then the middle.

[00:11:22] Tracey Tee: And we expect everyone to be a little bit robotic. And robotic is fine. Our ego really likes it because it's comfortable. And we live in this abundant. Country where we have everything at our fingertips. If you're hungry, you can get food in seconds, minutes. If you're thirsty, everyone, there's, everything is here.

[00:11:41] Tracey Tee: There's clean weather, there's electricity, there's more crap than we've ever need. There's more food than we ever need, and we waste all of it, and we hate being uncomfortable. And so when that comes down to a micro level of a mother who starts to feel her feelings again and feels those things of rage or sadness or ecstasy.

[00:12:01] Tracey Tee: She thinks there's something wrong with her. Yeah. Rather than we blame the medicine like it's not working. Yeah. And then we, and then you stop. So we're in, we are very much like you said, like we're in this really big chrysalis moment of a shift and it's gonna take a decent amount of education and understanding, and I think that's why I like microdosing so much.

[00:12:23] Tracey Tee: It's a really nice gateway to creating, co-creating a relationship with medicine because you can do it in small doses, you're not getting blasted off, and you can start to feel it in your body and again, create that relationship. And from there. Anything is possible. Yeah. And I think a large can be more potent as well.

[00:12:41] Tracey Tee: But like you said, if you don't even understand what integration is, and I, when I started Microdosing, I didn't understand what it was. I didn't know what it meant. And then it's so overused because in America we overplay everything, the work, like we just say it till it's dead. I don't need to integrate, like it's just a trendy thing, until I realize that I do. Yeah. And now of course, integration is everything but. Yeah, so it's there's a lot, there's a lot of work to be done for sure. Yeah,

[00:13:07] Michelle Harrell: no, it's funny 'cause I also have a lot of clients who will start with a microdose or low dose session, typically microdose the really high anxiety folks who are really nervous about doing, a big journey.

[00:13:18] Michelle Harrell: And I've had a few, I always say actually. High anxiety women over 40 are my toughest clients. No, they are, and they, yeah, they're about 50% of my clientele. I have about it is 49% men versus 51% women my first year. So it's pretty even. But majority of those women are over 40 and a lot of them are very high anxiety.

[00:13:40] Michelle Harrell: And, it's just very hard for them to trust and very hard for them to surrender and let go because they've felt like they had to be in control for so long just to protect themselves. So I fully understand. Yeah. But I have to laugh because I've had a couple now that will start with a microdose session and, half hour into it, they're like, I don't feel anything.

[00:13:59] Michelle Harrell: I don't think it's working.

[00:14:00] Tracey Tee: Yeah.

[00:14:01] Michelle Harrell: And I'm like okay. It's sub perceptual, we talk about it and no, we need. By the end punch

[00:14:06] Tracey Tee: in the throat.

[00:14:07] Michelle Harrell: But by the end of the session, they're often in tears. Like often they're crying and then I hear them all say the same thing. I don't know what's wrong with me.

[00:14:16] Michelle Harrell: I don't know why I am crying. I don't normally do this. And I said maybe it is working. And that's, that's a light bulb moment for them. They're like, oh.

[00:14:27] Tracey Tee: Oh. 'cause we don't correlate that with progress. And like I have so much compassion for the. For the 40-year-old. Yeah.

[00:14:35] Tracey Tee: Over 40 high anxiety woman. I was her. Yeah. And then inside there's something that just happens when you're a woman and you turn 40, I really believe those existential questions just start dropping from the heavens. And so you're in your soul is in this space of. Why am I here? Is this the life that I want?

[00:14:52] Tracey Tee: You're really asking those big questions and you're still locking in every day with doing a million things. Yeah. And so it's a lot. And then you have high expectations, not only of yourself, but if a mom or woman chooses to do a healing modality, I think men are a little bit more open to not like they don't have as specific expectations, but I think.

[00:15:15] Tracey Tee: When you say yes to a journey or something, you have all these expectations of how it's gonna be and when it's not, you're just disappointed. And that's a hard space to crawl

[00:15:24] Michelle Harrell: out

[00:15:24] Tracey Tee: of.

[00:15:25] Michelle Harrell: It is. Yeah. No agree. A hundred percent. Gosh. So much good stuff there. I'm curious, so I know you're also doing some cool stuff with a postpartum depression trial.

[00:15:38] Michelle Harrell: But, so I wanna get to that, but I'm curious in before that is, are there other new directions that you're hoping to take moms and what's the future for that platform if you're open to sharing?

[00:15:51] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Thank you for asking. There's a lot of new directions I feel like. 2025. 2024 was a big, my, my word of the year that came through for me was purge.

[00:16:01] Tracey Tee: So that was fun. And it, that remained to be true until the last minute. And so I think this year is really about. Re-looking at where we are as a culture when it comes to psychedelics and where moms are at. And meeting moms where they're at. I'm I. I am really feeling called to go back to my lineage and how I'm trained, which is a much more earth-based, sacred wise woman.

[00:16:29] Tracey Tee: Those are my mentors. And bring that into mothers. So one thing my team and I have been really talking about is, again, that need for ceremony and celebration. We really feel like mothers are often it, that's, it's such a huge portal when you become a mom and there's no real celebration for it. There's like the baby shower.

[00:16:48] Tracey Tee: I'm really looking at this fourth trimester idea that your fourth trimester is not so much for the baby. You've birthed the baby. The baby is here, the baby will be taken care of. But your life has changed completely. Everything is different. Your heart and your mind have been blown wide open.

[00:17:06] Tracey Tee: Incredibly psychedelic. And our culture doesn't really have a lot of care and nourishment and nurturing for those moms. Not spiritually, not just with good old fashioned help. There's a lot of expectation. And so we really want to bring in ceremony and help women go through those portals, whether it's from maiden to mother, from mother to Crohn, whether it's a ceremony for grief and loss. Whether it's a ceremony for a new pathway for your life, divorce, or, big trauma. There's so many things and we really wanna bring that in. Which kind of leads into the second thing that we're really hoping to do, which seems impossible. Which is just more in person more, community and just getting moms together.

[00:17:51] Tracey Tee: Yeah. In person to, to not only heal the sister wound, which is so deep, there's so much resistance for women doing group work. We're just naturally skeptical and judge you of each other before we even met each other. So to heal that, but then to also. Really like actually relearn what community means and what that, what community means.

[00:18:16] Tracey Tee: Even churches, you don't, you're talked at, you're not talked with. I've never understood why churches are in pulpits, or PS that are facing forward. Like, why aren't we in the circle? So that's the kind of things that we're hoping to bring forward with mom. They seem big and, kind of esoteric, but yeah, that's the way we're going.

[00:18:35] Michelle Harrell: Yeah, no, I love that. I think people are craving in person community too, post covid. I know. It's been like five years, but it still feels like

[00:18:46] Tracey Tee: yesterday, right? It does. And it did a number on us. Those lockdowns were real. Yeah.

[00:18:51] Tracey Tee: And it, it changed. So I'm still talking to women who are dealing with addiction. Grief financial loss, all these years later. So it divorce, there were, I think the divorce rate went

[00:19:04] Michelle Harrell: up right during when Oh yeah. Everyone was forced to live on top of each other and yeah, it was too much.

[00:19:08] Michelle Harrell: And you didn't have work to distract you anymore. I think you talked about us numbing our feelings. I talk about that as well all the time, but we also numb and distract with things that are deemed. Good in our society like work, yeah. I, again, a majority of my clients are, ed, highly educated, professional individuals who are Type A personalities and.

[00:19:31] Michelle Harrell: They're out there. I was one myself. So it's easy to recognize. Totally. Me too. Doing what you thought was the right thing. You go to college, you get your education. Many people have to go into debt to do that. Then you get out, you start working at jobs just to pay your debt instead of doing what you like.

[00:19:47] Michelle Harrell: There's just so many symptoms and we all did it, and we've all done it. And then you wake up to your point somewhere in your forties like. What the hell this is. How did I get here? Yeah. And

[00:19:57] Michelle Harrell: I can't, and I think what Covid did, at least I can speak for myself, is it really put a magnifying glass on all the things you'd been ignoring, compartmentalizing, pushing down, avoiding whatever, and.

[00:20:09] Michelle Harrell: It all just came to the surface and it was like, oh my God, I don't even like myself. Like I don't like this life. I'm leading. I'm exhausted. 'cause we finally all were home and people realized how freaking tired they are. Yeah. And then I, for when, as a mom, speaking as a mom, like the first few months were rough for me and my two teenage daughters, honestly, I ended up fighting with my daughter over and over because she was, she's a top student. She's also like her mom trying to give her some wisdom before she hits rock bottom. But but she's also a night owl, so she would stay up all night. And literally be going to bed when I was getting up talking to me I just watched the sunrise, but I'm gonna go to bed now.

[00:20:50] Michelle Harrell: And I'm like, don't you have class? Don't you have to log into class? She's I just have to log in. And I don't really like, I like all the kids were logging in and not with the screens on and and so we fought like constantly about this issue. And then at the end of the year she got again, straight A's and I'm like, that's her way.

[00:21:06] Michelle Harrell: Yeah. I'm like, why am I fighting with her? Yeah. Not, but what I was concerned about was still there. It's still valid. Are you setting yourself up for like the right habits and the right 'cause it's not for me about the a's, at the same time you have to give space for your kids.

[00:21:21] Michelle Harrell: But once we got into this flow and rhythm in the house. And I stopped fighting their rhythm, trying to make it mine. Trying to make it mine. I actually really quite enjoyed Covid as a mom because I got time with my kids. Like we were having breakfast in the morning together. We were all coming around the kitchen, around lunchtime, chatting, like it just and it was nice.

[00:21:46] Michelle Harrell: I enjoyed that time with my kids. Once we got over the initial. Growing pains. Yeah. Anyway, that was a tangent. But yeah, I think a lot of people are still feeling the kind of, we all have a little bit of PTSD from Covid, and we're it out. Yeah. So love, I love that you're gonna be doing some of those.

[00:22:04] Michelle Harrell: In person events. All so let's, I do wanna get into, 'cause before we run out time, I'd like to get into this postpartum depression research that's happening. I know you're part of that. Do you wanna. Tell, I don't know much about it either. I'd love to hear kinda what it's,

[00:22:20] Tracey Tee: and Yeah. Yeah, we're not really a part, we're just helping spread the word.

[00:22:23] Tracey Tee: I oh, okay. That's long conversations with the organizers. It's it's a study that is being run by reunion Neuroscience and they're positing that if you apply a large dose of a synthetic. Essentially a synthetic psilocybin. A synthetic psychedelic to a woman who's experiencing postpartum depression disorders, they are hopeful that the one dose will elicit.

[00:22:51] Tracey Tee: Effectively immediate change.

[00:22:53] Michelle Harrell: Wow. Yeah.

[00:22:54] Tracey Tee: And what they're seeing is it's not really immediate. So yeah, we have to, we use those words 'cause we're used to them, in the next four weeks with proper integration and monitoring, the symptoms just recalibrate themselves. Amazing. And I think that.

[00:23:13] Tracey Tee: Any study having to do with psychedelics and women's health? I am pretty much a hundred percent behind.

[00:23:21] Tracey Tee: Yeah,

[00:23:21] Tracey Tee: and this one in particular, I was very excited to hear about because they're administering. What you and I do, a large dose journey and they are relying on the hallucinogenic and the psychedelic experience to go in and tackle that postpartum depression.

[00:23:40] Tracey Tee: So we're not it's not a pill regimen or anything. And if we can, if they can find that actually works, I think. All boats rise for this industry. It is the possibilities are unbelievable, so I'm incredibly hopeful that those. Results come in that way. It's probably why I'm not part of the study.

[00:24:05] Tracey Tee: I'm obviously biased. But it's exciting and it's an exciting opportunity now for mothers who are experiencing postpartum to get some relief and change history. So that's the study.

[00:24:19] Michelle Harrell: Yeah. Fantastic. No, I. I'm so excited to see more and more research around, the different use cases and scenarios for this type of medicine because there are just so many.

[00:24:32] Michelle Harrell: And at the end of the day, I think what you said in the beginning is true. We, that the reason they're so effective for so many things, it's because they do actually help us feel. Yeah. That at the end of the day, that's what we all need. We all need to slow down, get quiet and feel so that we, can heal and also find clarity and purpose and things like that.

[00:24:55] Michelle Harrell: Yeah. Amazing. Are, do you know, are they still looking for women for this? Yep. They still have a

[00:25:00] Tracey Tee: few spaces available. So they're a absolutely still looking for women. As you can imagine, the, screening process has to be pretty strict. It's in a phase two trial, so they've already gone through phase one, they're in phase two.

[00:25:13] Tracey Tee: And they, yeah, so you can go to moms do mushrooms.com. There's like a thing right at the very top of our webpage. If you're interested in applying or if you know someone who is, I believe that there's compensation. It's a great study and they're working with all of the great. Higher ed institutions all over the country.

[00:25:31] Tracey Tee: Johns Hopkins, Texas a and m Ed Center. So that's where all of the administrations are gonna be going. Oh, nice. Yeah. Oh, that's

[00:25:38] Tracey Tee: nice. So people don't have to travel as far on different No, there's dozens of sites and like totally locked in, doctors and staff that are very passionate about this.

[00:25:49] Tracey Tee: What I've heard from the team too is even if you don't qualify in the end for the study, for whatever reason, they're just supporting postpartum moms who even apply with just so much 'cause because they feel very passionate about it. So yeah. Amazing. Yeah it's, I'm just. I'm just like, yes, please.

[00:26:06] Tracey Tee: More of that, yeah. And we

[00:26:07] Michelle Harrell: yeah. Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to I was just thinking too, and with, for this very, for this study, particularly do you know, are they looking at how it's impacting hormones? Because often, postpartum depression has a lot to do with hormones. At least that's my understanding. Yeah. That's a great question. I don't know the answer to that. I, that's so interesting to me. 'cause when I say it helps us feel our feelings. That's true. But there's also. A real reason why we so many women suffer from postpartum, and that is because of our hormonal changes.

[00:26:39] Michelle Harrell: And I know I've read, other research and things around and it's just getting started.

[00:26:44] Tracey Tee: Yeah.

[00:26:45] Michelle Harrell: But around women's hormonal changes. Throughout, their monthly cycle can also impact how psilocybin reacts in your body. Gosh, I just, there's so much, we're just barely scratching the surface here.

[00:26:58] Michelle Harrell: There's so

[00:26:58] Tracey Tee: much and there's so much. And we're actually, what I was gonna say is that we've actually created reference guides around this because it's probably the number, the top, some of the top questions we get asked. Every single day are, can I breastfeed? And microdose? Yeah. Yeah. Can I, which is, can I do this postpartum?

[00:27:14] Tracey Tee: What is, what can microdosing do for perimenopause and menopause? Yeah. What can microdosing do for my menstrual cycle? And so we've, I'm gonna go back to doing it after we get off this call. Like we, we are scraping. Yeah, the intro webs for any studies, just to have a central reference document that we can offer people to say, okay, here is everything we found.

[00:27:38] Tracey Tee: We're summarizing it, and then we're like real human summarizing it below that and just pulling out the main points, linking everything so that you can read the study yourself and at least it's in one place.

[00:27:49] Tracey Tee: Yeah.

[00:27:51] Tracey Tee: A and what it's doing to me is just oh, I'm seeing the gaps in where. We're missing things and sometimes it's very heavy on ketamine and not as heavy on something else.

[00:28:01] Tracey Tee: And there's just, gosh the applications are, yeah, we're just getting started, like you said. Yeah. But to at least know what's out there and you can really connect your own dots if you have access to the studies.

[00:28:13] Michelle Harrell: Yeah, no. Fantastic. I would love to have a resource like that to also just be able to share with clients and things.

[00:28:18] Michelle Harrell: Yeah. Or point them to your site or whatever it is. Yeah. But yeah, and I'm also very curious. I hope some, my prayer for some is that we can do more research with whole mushrooms. I know that was it New Mexico or No, there's been so much news lately about New State. Yeah. New Mexico. New Mexico that they're gonna be able to, the DEA approved them to do research using whole mushrooms, I believe.

[00:28:41] Michelle Harrell: Oh, that

[00:28:41] Tracey Tee: one. I don't, I know that New Mexico the governor just approved. Psychedelic therapy type therapy.

[00:28:46] Michelle Harrell: So I might be mixing it up, say, okay, I haven't heard, and I know Yeah. And I know Nevada also was just approved. Yeah. I just, I saw something come through. Yeah. It, I haven't had chance. I was it's like after, for so long it was just Oregon and Colorado.

[00:28:59] Michelle Harrell: So it's exciting to see some more states finally moving ahead. But yeah, I can't remember now what state it was or what it was, but I saw somewhere that. The DEA approved some research using whole mushrooms, which is really exciting because up until now all the research has to be done with the manufactured psy or psilocybin or

[00:29:19] Tracey Tee: gosh. Yeah. That's gonna be some intense research. There's so many, we're still dealing with a natural product that has variables. Exactly I looking into it.

[00:29:27] Michelle Harrell: Yeah, exactly. And I just wonder, my instinct and gut tells me there's more to these. And just the cy that is enhancing, and so we always, as, especially in Western, in America and in Western culture we want the science, we need the DA data and the facts for us to feel good and comfortable with it.

[00:29:48] Michelle Harrell: At the end of the day, these things have been used by indigenous cultures for centuries and yeah, I just wonder what we're losing by using manufactured stuff. That's always in the back of my head.

[00:29:59] Tracey Tee: I agree. I think. Like for the reunion neuroscience study, I liked it because at least it's just one compound.

[00:30:06] Tracey Tee: Yeah. And they're not like mixing it with Zoloft or something or trying to make just another pill. That they say has psilocybin, but it really doesn't. Yeah. And I agree with you on the whole, and I think the interesting thing about that is a culture again Yeah. Is that we don't actually believe people.

[00:30:22] Tracey Tee: One of the big reasons that I, I am so passionate about growing mom to millions of mothers is when are we just gonna believe? A group of moms that say it works right? We have hashtags for me too, and believe her and all this stuff, but when someone's no, I took this thing that grows and poop and it made me better.

[00:30:43] Tracey Tee: Everyone's yeah, probably placebo. Yeah, never, we never believe. No, that's true. And how many more people are we gonna have to pile on to say this whole mushroom does something to your point, right?

[00:30:55] Michelle Harrell: Yeah, no, I think

[00:30:57] Tracey Tee: I.

[00:30:57] Michelle Harrell: There's been some, progress in those areas. But I agree.

[00:31:01] Michelle Harrell: Like we started off talking about it's still, a little bit, there's a stigma, especially for moms. There's a more higher risk, to your point. 'cause anything. Any thought around losing your children is obviously that's not a risk many people are willing to take, so I can empathize and appreciate that, but yeah. Hopefully like with the veteran movement and some others, like we're starting, I think people are starting to really wake up to the fact like, oh, there's something to this. So yeah, slow going,

[00:31:29] Tracey Tee: but slow going. But the good work you're doing in Oregon, and just. Methodically following the lay of the law.

[00:31:34] Tracey Tee: And like you're providing the data, whether people decide to acknowledge it or not, just by doing the work you're doing in the way that the people. Voted for it, right? Yeah. And that's important. It's super important. We all, and we just need to observe and then trust our instincts and to make up our own minds.

[00:31:54] Michelle Harrell: Yeah. No,

[00:31:55] Tracey Tee: thank you for saying that.

[00:31:56] Michelle Harrell: Tracey, it has been such a pleasure. I've really enjoyed this conversation. I enjoyed learning more about you too. So thank you for that. And thanks for sharing your story and your time. Where can people, if they wanna find you in your platform. Can you wanna tell our listeners where they can find you and I'll of course include it in the show notes.

[00:32:15] Tracey Tee: Sure. Moms on mushrooms.com. Just head over to our website, there's lots of information. If you're on social, we're mainly just on Instagram at Moms on Mushrooms Official. Oh, and I started a substack, which has been really fun. Just, more intimate, my thoughts on things from a mom who eats mushrooms, it's called your mom eats mushrooms.

[00:32:33] Michelle Harrell: Yeah. No I've read I think two of 'em so far. Oh, thanks. Yeah. No, the first one was fantastic. I loved it.

[00:32:39] Tracey Tee: Yeah. Thank you. Yeah it's founder of a psychedelic country company who's a mom. Unhinged. Which, it feels good. I'm right. Uncensored. Yeah, uncensored.

[00:32:48] Tracey Tee: Uncensored. Yes. Not unhinged, but

[00:32:50] Michelle Harrell: uncensored,

[00:32:52] Tracey Tee: unhinged according to someone I'm sure. Yeah.

[00:32:54] Michelle Harrell: Okay. Yeah.

[00:32:54] Tracey Tee: But

[00:32:55] Michelle Harrell: yeah. All right. Thank you everyone for tuning in to another episode of Beyond the Dose. We hope that this episode was useful and maybe shed some new insights. For you. And I just wanna thank you again for listening and we'll be back next week.

[00:33:10] Michelle Harrell: Thank you, Tracey. Thanks

[00:33:11] Tracey Tee: everyone.

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[00:33:45] Michelle Harrell: Thanks for listening.