Revolutionizing Motherhood with Microdosing

In this webinar, Paul Austin, Tracey Tee, and Alli Schaper came together to explore how microdosing psilocybin mushrooms is transforming mental health and reimagining the motherhood experience. The discussion delved into innovative protocols, real-life success stories, and the importance of community support in the psychedelic space.

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[00:00:00] Paul Austin: Hey folks, welcome in. Thanks for being a little bit early. It's great to see you all. We've got 11 folks who are now live with us here on this webinar. As you're coming in, go ahead, drop your name, location in the chat. Tell us where you're calling in from and what brings you here to this podcast today, or I'm sorry, to this webinar today.

[00:00:35] Paul Austin: What has you curious and interested about moms on mushrooms, about microdosing, about the potential of power of what Microdosing can do for. Moms and mental health, we'd love to invite you to, to join the conversation. Just drop a note in the chat. Tell us where you're calling in from. And Allie, I'm gonna mute you and tell us where you're calling in from and and then we'll kick off officially at about five minutes past.

[00:01:02] Paul Austin: So we're just gonna give it a few more minutes. We have about 35 people who are now live with us. I would expect there to be somewhere between 60 and 80 people total, who will be joining us. So go ahead and drop a note in the chat, tell us why you're here, where you're calling in from.

[00:01:15] Paul Austin: And what I'm gonna do is as folks are coming in, is I made up a little poll that I'm gonna publish. And the poll is simply asking whether or not you've tried a microdosing protocol before. So I just published that poll on the webinar. You can see it. Have you tried a microdosing protocol before?

[00:01:30] Paul Austin: Yes, I have. No, I haven't. I've taken micro doses, but I've never necessarily done a protocol, meaning you've maybe done some low doses of psychedelics here and there, but never in an intentional protocol. And I'll just leave that poll there for folks as they're coming in to go ahead and respond to. So we have Callie calling in from Denver.

[00:01:48] Paul Austin: Hi Callie. It's good to see you here. Brittany, mom of one 8-year-old girl, Caitlyn from Arizona. Caitlyn worked in the mental health field for a while and is a new mom, Kathleen in the East Bay of San Francisco, a mother of an adult kid who has suffered with addiction and is looking for other ways to support her nervous system in psyche.

[00:02:08] Paul Austin: Vanessa from Ontario has been learning a lot about the benefits of mushrooms. She's a mom of two little kids who deals with anxiety and depression, and she's interested in whether or not Microdosing could be helpful for her. Anne is in Kansas City, 14 months out from a traumatic brain injury. I'm sorry to hear that.

[00:02:24] Paul Austin: Anne and mom to two small boys. Nikita, it's good to see you here. Nikita from New Jersey, Christie from Florida. Christie is passionate about paving the way for a better future for ourselves and our kids. Janice is here. Welcome Janice. It's great to see you here from Vancouver Island. She gets a lot of mom clients asking if they can microdose while nursing, pregnant, if they have young kids.

[00:02:47] Paul Austin: So folks continuing to come in. We have almost 50 people who are now live with us. We'll officially kick off at about five minutes past the hour. As you're coming in, go ahead, drop a note in the chat. Tell us why you're here, why you're calling in. While you're joining us for today's webinar, and I've also dropped a little poll.

[00:03:07] Paul Austin: And so that poll is just asking, Hey, have you tried a microdosing protocol? Have you actually gone through with this So far? About 58% of you said yes, you have tried a microdosing protocol. 27% of you said, no, you have not tried a microdosing protocol. And about 13% of you say, I've taken a microdose before, but never done a protocol.

[00:03:25] Paul Austin: So that's really good, and that's some good intel for today that almost 60% of you have already tried a microdosing protocol. So you're somewhat familiar with the process, you're somewhat familiar with some of the education and context around microdosing and around psychedelics. And so today will really be an opportunity to deepen deepen in the practice, deepen in the process, and talk specifically about the context of mushrooms.

[00:03:49] Paul Austin: And motherhood and microdosing. So without further ado, I wanna welcome to the stage, uh, Tracey t and Ally Shaper. Allie is, I'll first introduce Ally because Ally will join us briefly and then come back online towards the end of today's call. Allie is the co-founder of Super Mush, a functional mushroom brand, and the co-founder of the Microdosing Collective with myself and Josh Cappel.

[00:04:15] Paul Austin: Allie, it's great to have you here. What are you excited about today? Why are you joining us for the webinar. 

[00:04:20] Alli Schaper: I'm so happy to be with all of you. I can't wait to, it's just an excuse to hang out with Tracey and I've been such a fan of her work and what you have done for this movement. So I'm so happy to have you here with us.

[00:04:30] Alli Schaper: And quick context for people that are joining that may not know about the Microdosing Collective and what it is, I'll give some more details on deeper dive, what we're up to later. But this movement is really a movement of community and people that have had their life radically changed by the practice of taking sub perceptual amounts of psychedelics and really the rebranding of that movement, which Tracey has such a been, been such a huge part of, from the world of moms.

[00:04:56] Alli Schaper: But so I can't wait to hear you talk. I'm really excited about the work that we're doing, the community we've collected, and the group of people that care about this and are just interested in exploring their minds in this way. The thing I'm excited about on this call I just shared with Tracey before we kicked off is that I.

[00:05:13] Alli Schaper: I coach people on microdosing and their practice, and really the goal I think of any great facilitator in this space is to fire themself because they're infusing so much self, wisdom into the person that they're working with, where it's so much of how we operate in our society is outsourcing our wisdom.

[00:05:32] Alli Schaper: We're looking for the answer, the right pill for people to tell us what to do in all areas of our life, what to eat and so the practice of microdosing can give you this incredibly beautiful gift, which is just in insourcing. What does my body want and do I feel called to this medicine? Do I feel called to this food, to these people?

[00:05:52] Alli Schaper: It echoes into all areas of life. So I'm really just I'm just so grateful for the opportunity to work with microdosing, and that's what I'm the most excited for. To hear Tracey talk about that and amongst other things. So I will leave it at that. I'll be back on later to share a little bit more about what we're up to as an organization.

[00:06:10] Alli Schaper: Things that we have coming up, a research study that we're doing. So stay tuned for that later, and I hope you guys have an amazing hour with us. And you leave more educated than when you came. 

[00:06:23] Paul Austin: Thank you, Allie. We love Allie. Allie. The sort of intention of this collaboration bet with, with Tracey and the Microdosing Collective and also Third Wave, which is a platform that I started many years ago, was to really amplify the specific benefits for moms.

[00:06:38] Paul Austin: Because moms take on a lot of the stress of everyday life, especially in, in, in these days and times. And unfortunately because of the stigma that exists around psychedelics, a fantastic tool is not nearly as accessible and available as it should be. And so Tracey does live in Denver, which we will get deeper into in terms of how that supports or has supported her process, but many of us do not.

[00:07:00] Paul Austin: And so really the core intention of the Microdosing Collective is how do we make micro doses available to every mom and every human really, who would benefit from the intentional use of them. So, Tracey, it's, it's great to have you once again, Allie. I'm gonna cut your video. So we'll bring you back up later.

[00:07:16] Paul Austin: All right. It's great to have you up here. Am I gonna cut your video? Come on, 

[00:07:21] Alli Schaper: I can cut my own video. 

[00:07:23] Paul Austin: Can you? Okay. Thank you. Helpful. So we'll bring Tracey up to the stage. Tracey, it's great to have you with us. Tell us a little bit about why you're excited about this webinar. What has you showing up today and, joining this process.

[00:07:42] Paul Austin: Gotta turn your audio on now so we can hear you. You're muted. 

[00:07:46] Tracey Tee: That's better. I was just really gushing. I just said thank you and I just wanna share my mutual love for you and Allie and the Micros and Collective and just the beautiful work you're doing. Anyone who is on this call or listening in and hasn't joined their, at the very least their email list, but certainly donating any small amount the work that y'all are doing is profound and necessary for moms on mushrooms to keep continuing.

[00:08:13] Tracey Tee: So I'm grateful for you. So my and I've just been sitting here reading all of these chats and thank you all for joining us and sharing. The reason Moms on Mushrooms exist is for this chat thread. Moms are overwhelmed. We are looking for new solutions for better mental health and healing.

[00:08:31] Tracey Tee: And Moms On Mushrooms is an online educational platform and community. Aimed at bringing mothers together for the, to learn about and create an intentional practice with psychedelics. Right now, in this season of our organization, we're really focusing on microdosing psilocybin, and we can get into that a little bit later.

[00:08:49] Tracey Tee: But there hasn't really ever been a space where mothers who have the shared experience of motherhood can feel like they can safely discuss psychedelic use in a safe and empowered way with education at the core. And so that's why Mom was here. And thank you medicine for guiding me to this place.

[00:09:08] Tracey Tee: We're entering into our third year, so we're still very much getting our sea legs, but my goal is to empower moms with knowledge about psychedelics so that the stigmatization, the misinformation that's been pervasive in our, especially in our country for the last 50 plus years, starts to go away and mothers can make informed decisions.

[00:09:28] Paul Austin: Tell us a little bit about the mom mental health crisis. What, what is really going on specifically in America or North America, around moms and mental health. Why are the sort of rates of mental health issues getting stronger or worse? What's going on with, when it comes to suicide, when it comes to SSRIs?

[00:09:47] Paul Austin: Kind of paint us the picture right now, Tracey. As, as it exists currently. 

[00:09:51] Tracey Tee: Yeah. The picture is a long, it took a long time to paint actually. When I really started tapping into this I had to go back. A long ways for me. And this is just like my vision of how moms got to this place, is that we've really been allowed to be numbed out as mothers in times of distress.

[00:10:11] Tracey Tee: We've had permission to do that since, and actually are almost encouraged to do it because I really believe as a society, we don't like to see mothers feeling a lot of big feelings, right? Like we're very concerned and very uncomfortable with a mom who's crying, or a mom who's unhappy, or a mom who has a lot of anger, or a mom who just feels fricking great and is just.

[00:10:34] Tracey Tee: Fully live in her life. We don't really like that as a society. And this starts back when we used to chloroform mothers when they were giving birth. We didn't even like to hear them scream when they were giving birth to a baby. And the chloroform went onto the, the benzos and the opi and the Valium.

[00:10:50] Tracey Tee: Just take a pill in the middle of the day if you're overwhelmed. Like it's okay. And then it went into the martini during bridge club and everything just has this sort of pithy we know she's unhappy. That's the whole mommy's little helper mentality. Oh, look at this sad housewife just sitting there in her apron putting something in the oven.

[00:11:09] Tracey Tee: Let's just give her a pill. And then it went into the wine mom and into, oh, it's okay to just crack open a bunch of Chardonnay during a play date. And now we have this also. We, inside of that, we also have this over prescription of SSRIs and I. As most people in the psychedelic space will say nothing wrong with an SSRI, if you are down here and baseline is up here, you've gotta get to baseline.

[00:11:33] Tracey Tee: And that's what SSRIs are really beautiful for. What was happened is that we've had doctors prescribe this without a deeper understanding of root cause of why someone is unhappy, overwhelmed, anxious, and we are prescribing medicine with no exit strategy. And so it's a life sentence. And what we have found is that many women are starting to wonder, what is this medicine even doing for me anymore?

[00:11:58] Tracey Tee: And what would it feel like if I came off of it? And the fear around not knowing how you're gonna feel when you come off of a medication or even wondering if you need it anymore is real. And we have this intersection of no information about that and no real exit strategy. And then we have this burgeoning, psychedelic space that's coming up, that's saying and I, this is what moms and mushrooms is saying, look, there's another solution here. But the in between there's a lot of question marks. And so there, there is this just, it's hard being a mom mindset and it's not a mindset. It's just real and a cultural non acknowledgment of the support that moms need.

[00:12:42] Tracey Tee: Which leads me into kind of the second bucket, which is just a lack of spiritual connection, a lack of ceremony, a lack of. Community we talk about, oh, you need your tribe, or, people sitting around the circle. But the truth is that we're more disconnected than ever. Many families don't live with their, live in the same like area as grandparents.

[00:13:03] Tracey Tee: There's not a lot of help. And what we know is that mothers need community. We need support. You not only need help raising children, 'cause it does take a village. It's hard to raise a child or multiple children. Someone on here has five kids, a dad, I think, or six, he can speak to that. And then the second part is that as adults and as parents, you need support and community from others who are sharing your experience.

[00:13:28] Tracey Tee: And with all of that gone, we are left with people who feel empty, disconnected, addicted, overwhelmed, just. Lonely, sad, depressed. It goes on and on. And the beautiful thing about psychedelics is it can help bring us back to that stasis in a lot of different ways.

[00:13:50] Paul Austin: Yes. This need, what I'm hearing you talk about one, one thing that comes up is I grew up in a family that church was a center point of, and yet that was only once a week on a Sunday. And there was some community around it, but you'd go to church and you'd go home. There was no communal living necessarily.

[00:14:12] Paul Austin: It was just a single day where you'd have your friends and you'd have your community. And I feel like that's what's. That's many people are no longer going to church, including myself. And we're asking these questions about where is that community center for us? Where is that community home? And how do we find the people that we know we can lean on?

[00:14:29] Paul Austin: And I think one thing that's really interesting about what's happening in the psychedelic space right now is more people are exploring this church model and this community centered model. And I think you're really at the center of it being in, in Denver specifically in, in, in Colorado where it was recently legalized.

[00:14:45] Paul Austin: And so I'd love to, I'd love to start to transition into that when is it that you really started to explore microdosing and what are maybe some of the most common questions that moms have in regards to microdosing and the impact that it could have or the risks surround it, or the concerns and questions that might come up.

[00:15:08] Paul Austin: Tell us a little bit more about tell us a little bit more about that. 

[00:15:11] Tracey Tee: Yeah, the concerns are many that I had. And I also grew up in a conservative Christian home during the dare era, Nancy Reagan in my ear telling me that my brain is gonna melt out my ear like an egg. Was very real. And it wasn't really until CO after having been on a large spiritual journey for a long time before that, when I lost my former business and the fear, the existential crisis and then the palpable grief of losing a company, due to lockdowns was real.

[00:15:43] Tracey Tee: And I, on my spiritual journey, psychedelics, they just inevitably come up and come up. And I was always like I can never do that. Like I'm a mom. There's no way. And I just had the space and time to dive in. And what I found with Microdosing in particular, and I just wanna address, 'cause I know some people I.

[00:16:01] Tracey Tee: And the chat or have some health issues too. Just a little bit of context. I had, I've had stage four endometriosis my entire life since I think I was diagnosed when I was 24, no, 22. And I ended up having to have a full hysterectomy at 41. So like everything taken, so I walked in with hormones and I walked out 24 hours later from that surgery with hot flashes.

[00:16:23] Tracey Tee: That's how fast menopause hit. And I was very young. And I'm still very young and and so I was also looking for something because my functional medicine doctor wisely put me on Wellbutrin to manage that swing into this incredible shift. And I didn't have an exit strategy. And so I was looking at that from that lens too.

[00:16:41] Tracey Tee: So when I started trying to, when I started microdosing, so many of the dots started to connect with the things that I had been looking for with a, as a mother. And at that point, my daughter was a little bit older, she was about nine years old. But the emotional reactivity the sense of overwhelm, the lack of focus and not, and wanting to be present with my kiddo, but just not really feeling like I could access that.

[00:17:07] Tracey Tee: Microdosing really helps that. And the concerns about legality. Am I gonna go to jail? Am I gonna become addicted? Those are all very real and we can get into them individually, but, thankfully in Denver, it's, it was decriminalized at the time. But so I didn't have to worry about that in particular.

[00:17:25] Tracey Tee: But it's a very real thing. And the truth is that moms don't have a lot of time to be high, and we don't have a lot of time to experiment with dosage and things that might compromise our very busy days. And I think when microdosing is applied correctly and in a container, in a community where you can just take your time and you've got guidance and people to support you, it's a perfect gateway to understand how psychedelics can help mental health.

[00:17:50] Tracey Tee: And there isn't a lot of risk despite what we've been told. The beautiful thing about microdosing in particular is that you are not high, right? And so the anecdote of start low and go slow is very true. And as someone who's a recovering type a. Triple Aries, I was like, psychedelics, this is it.

[00:18:10] Tracey Tee: I'm diving in. And we don't really have to, you've made it this long without shrooms, right? Like you can take some time and educate yourself, really understand how it works in the brain, understand your brain for maybe the first time ever, and then slowly apply and start to dip your toes into microdosing and as you listen to your body and then, create an intentional protocol.

[00:18:29] Tracey Tee: So I know that was like a wide answer, but hopefully I tapped on some of your questions. 

[00:18:34] Paul Austin: And you've done a lot of media around this topic in particular. And I'm curious, as you've gone up, Dr. Phil and then Today Show and Good Morning America, what are some of the most ridiculous questions or absurd questions that you get asked from these journalists about moms who are microdosing?

[00:18:51] Tracey Tee: Yeah, I think, my favorite one is, oh, it's just mommy's little helper. Oh, you're just numbing out. You're just, hi. And the funny thing is. And this is again, our our cultural obsession with alcohol. And that's the other thing. I brought this up on the Dr. Phil Show and he told me it was a non-answer when I started.

[00:19:08] Tracey Tee: When I always try to relate alcohol to psychedelics because it is the only things we really understand. You can buy alcohol on every street corner, anywhere in America, close to schools, not close to schools. No one asks you if you're having an addiction problem. Nobody asks you what medications you're on, and it is the most toxic thing you can put in your body.

[00:19:26] Tracey Tee: Do I think it should be outlawed? Absolutely not. Do I still drink wine? A hundred percent. So everyone should have sovereignty to choose what they put in their bodies, but it is so much more destructive than psychedelics. It's laughable when you look at the science. And so the beautiful thing about psychedelics is that you become more present, you become more aware, you become more accountable to your toxic traits and your bad behaviors.

[00:19:52] Tracey Tee: That is the opposite of what alcohol does. So the idea that moms are numbing out is hilarious when you're microdosing because you're more dialed in than you ever have been. And I, that's certainly what I felt. I was more accountable to everything. I was feeling everything and due still, which is the complete opposite of what alcohol does.

[00:20:11] Tracey Tee: And so then from there it model, it goes into you're just modeling bad behavior to your kids. I'm not, every mom on this call and I guarantee you guys can like. Put a hands up in the chat. If you are really passionate about something as your, as a parent, it's the last thing your kids wanna do.

[00:20:28] Tracey Tee: So even though I am so proud that I'm raising my child with a very embodied under, like very intentional understanding around psychedelics, we don't filter anything. She knows exactly what it is. She's seen it all. We talk about my journeys, it's very clear. The last thing my teenage daughter wants to do is mushrooms because mom's been talking about it her entire life.

[00:20:50] Tracey Tee: So if you want an anti-drug policy, get parents on board with microdosing and your kids are gonna be like, that's lame. My mom does it and they'll never do it. Now of course my prayer is that she absolutely will. And I think she will. But I just think all the media, the, this eye rolling that moms don't know what we're doing or that we can't do it on our own, it's gotta stop.

[00:21:09] Tracey Tee: This is where we're at. I think as a society of, we're just tired of being told that we can't be sovereign women. 

[00:21:16] Paul Austin: Yeah, I think that's a really important point. And this is in some ways the story of women, not only this century and last century, but for many centuries. And so I think there's a really powerful relationship between the reawakening of, psychedelic education and literacy and the reawakening of the feminine.

[00:21:36] Paul Austin: And microdosing is a really beautiful sort of bridge or entry point for a lot of women to, to come back into that. 

[00:21:43] Tracey Tee: Yeah. And I think too, when you brought up church, one thing we find in moms on mushrooms is a lot of moms actually end up going back to church. I've been thinking about this a lot, about how psychedelics, especially mushrooms they're very agnostic, but they're very, I feel they're very spirit centered if used correctly.

[00:22:03] Tracey Tee: And the beautiful thing about heart medicine and psilocybin in particular is heart medicine, is that you start to chip away at these like crusty covers of the heart, chip away at, the craggy judgment and the fear, or the better than the righteousness. And what you come to understand is that we're all just doing the best we can.

[00:22:26] Tracey Tee: And you start to really tap into compassion and then you are open to understanding what it feels like to have a direct connection to spirit, or to God or to Jesus, whatever you wanna call it. And from that space, you can actually, I think, enjoy church more because what you don't need is like a dude on a pulpit telling you how to think.

[00:22:48] Tracey Tee: You're just there to actually be with spirit. And we find that. To be very common with people. So again the ho hum the angry people that are saying, oh, this is like he hedonistic thing. I actually, most, a lot of moms on mushrooms, stop drinking, get off their medications, have more time with their family.

[00:23:07] Tracey Tee: Go back to church. Tell me what's wrong with that. 

[00:23:10] Paul Austin: Yeah, who wouldn't want to take a little bit of mushrooms and go to a beautiful sanctuary and 

[00:23:15] Alli Schaper: Yeah. 

[00:23:16] Tracey Tee: Sing some coral hymns, beautiful songs. Yeah, 

[00:23:17] Paul Austin: yeah. Gimme some Bach and mushrooms week. Oh my gosh. Every Sunday of the week, that would be Bach and mushrooms.

[00:23:25] Paul Austin: Yeah. It would be a dream. Yeah. Okay so I have in my notes just so we're clear and we've touched on it, and I think many of our, the folks who are here with us, they're aware of it, but just. To define microdosing, how would you define microdosing specifically with psilocybin mushrooms?

[00:23:40] Paul Austin: What are maybe some of the most common protocols that you notice moms start with? The amounts, how they start to work it into their daily and weekly rituals and routines. 

[00:23:48] Tracey Tee: Yeah. So microdosing is taking a sub perceptual or sub hallucinogenic dose of magic mushrooms. And I suppose the anecdotal understanding of it is the profound healing effects that we know can happen in a large dose situation.

[00:24:03] Tracey Tee: If you break that down into tiny doses where you are not feeling any of the hallucinogenic effects, you are completely in control and you break it down into those doses and you take it intentionally over time, you can achieve the same healing effects as a large dose experience. And I think the benefits also for microdosing are.

[00:24:22] Tracey Tee: The active rewiring of your neural pathways in real time, like you're doing it day to day, and then you're pulling that in on your days off. And so what you're doing is not only teaching and reframing your brain to work and create new pathways, to drop toxic thoughts, patterns, activities, you're doing it oftentimes without any medicine at all.

[00:24:47] Tracey Tee: And so we're unlearning what the western allopathic medi medical model taught us, which is that we have to take a pill every day the same day out of this brown bottle forever, all men or we're not gonna be okay. And psychedelics are actually, and microdosing is actually the complete opposite. So in terms of protocol, I have a very like controversial opinion about it.

[00:25:07] Tracey Tee: I don't think we need another dude in a coat telling us how and when to take a microdose. I really believe that mothers if you. Take the time to create an intentional relationship to it. I really believe in intuitive microdosing because intuition plus a tool in your toolkit, which is a microdose and then honesty with yourself will always inform your why.

[00:25:33] Tracey Tee: And I think you should micro dose on the days when you know your why and you know why you want to do this, what you want out of it. You're willing to commit to some awareness around microdosing that those are gonna be potent microdose days. And the days you don't know your why or you don't need it, then you don't do it.

[00:25:50] Tracey Tee: So we really promote that understanding and a lot of that comes with body awareness. Tapping back into your intuition for mothers, giving yourself permission to turn your intuition back on. And then from there you can create your own mi microdosing protocol. 

[00:26:07] Paul Austin: Now it's interesting I'm glad you're bringing this topic up.

[00:26:09] Paul Austin: So what, what Tracey is referring to a little bit is there, there have been two main protocols that have been talked about. One is a one day on two day off protocol. So essentially twice a week for five weeks. And then another one is a four day on, three day off protocol. Now, I will say some of the, there hasn't been a lot of clinical research, but some of the early clinical research re in regards to microdosing shows that there's some efficacy in the consistency of it, at least in the first month, that having a structure and doing it, there is a physiological impact on, for example, BDNF range revenue, triple effector, which is a precursor to neuroplasticity.

[00:26:49] Paul Austin: So I agree with you that the capacity to check in with ourselves before we take it, to have an intention to be aware is important. And I think there's also something going on that's. It can't be explicitly physiological, but there's definitely a strong physiological impact that is that there's like an accretive benefit when we do it consistently, at least for the first month or so.

[00:27:14] Paul Austin: So often what I advise is it could be two times a week. It could be three times a week. Sometimes it could be four times a week, depending on who that person is. At times having a coach or practitioner in your corner who is very experienced with microdosing or low doses of psychedelics, it could be a clinician, like a therapist or psychologist or psychiatrist.

[00:27:32] Paul Austin: It could also be a coach who is really experienced. Having someone in your corner who can help you to refine that can be really useful. And then. The metaphor that I love to describe is these protocols are like scaffolding. So that scaffolding helps you to feel safety in an experimental phase as a lot of folks transition into this.

[00:27:52] Paul Austin: But at the end of the day, the goal is to remove the scaffolding and have this new sense of self that is created, which allows for a more intuitive approach over the long term. Like at this point, I don't really, unless I'm doing my own experiments so I can test it also with clients, a lot of my own microdosing is just more on an intuitive 

[00:28:10] Tracey Tee: Yeah.

[00:28:10] Tracey Tee: Level, 

[00:28:10] Paul Austin: which I think can be helpful. 

[00:28:12] Tracey Tee: And I'd even push that further. At Mom, we really even recommend giving yourself three solid months because I do think, we're busy. We have a lot thrown at us. I think three months is a really good time for you to say, I'm going to be microdosing and go through the ups and downs.

[00:28:27] Tracey Tee: The integration feel different things in your body. I do think it takes some time. It's not something that you're gonna, it take a pill on. Three days later, everything is gonna be fixed. And what we've also found is this urgency of wanting it to work so badly and then this resistance to feeling uncomfortable.

[00:28:46] Tracey Tee: And for mothers in particulars goes back to the emotions and not wanting women to be hysterical. A lot of moms find that you're crying a lot more. Or you're really fricking angry a lot more. And what we'll hear is I did this for two weeks and I've been crying all the time, so it's not working.

[00:29:02] Tracey Tee: I need to go back on my SSRIs. And internally as a team, we're like, no, it probably is because that non-specific amplifier is actually bringing the things up and out of your body that need to be acknowledged. And it takes some time to go through some of those initial onion layers to feel really comfortable with the medicine.

[00:29:21] Tracey Tee: So I love the, I love your metaphor of scaffolding. I think that's great. And I think community, really, these, this medicine doesn't want to be taken in a vacuum. I really believe that. So whether it's a coach or a group or a, a good practitioner who understands it from a deeper physio, like psychophysiological level and not just science, frankly.

[00:29:43] Tracey Tee: Is gonna help you because you need to talk it out. It, it needs to be explored. 

[00:29:49] Paul Austin: I'm just reading some of the comments. So folks, as Tracey and I are continuing to unpack our own onion here if you do have questions, drop them in. We're gonna have time the last 15 minutes or so. So about a 1235. We're gonna transition into questions about five more minutes and then we'll get into questions.

[00:30:09] Paul Austin: And one thing I wanted to go into a bit more detail on Tracey is these, these archetypes of mothers who are coming into microdosing at different points in their life. So you shared your own example of, having endometriosis and having a hysterectomy and Wellbutrin and how microdosing helped with some of that process.

[00:30:28] Paul Austin: There are a lot of moms I know that have benefited from they have postpartum depression after giving birth. And they've benefited from microdosing within that process. Tell us a little bit about what are some of these common archetypes of moms who are coming into microdosing and how is Microdosing helping them?

[00:30:42] Paul Austin: I for me a lot of it seems to come down to energy and mood. It helps them to have more energy and have a better mood. But give us a little bit more nuance of the sort of archetypes of moms who are coming into this and some, so maybe examples or things like 

[00:30:54] Tracey Tee: that. Yeah. Yeah. We, the fun thing is, and the amazing thing is that we have moms that come in weeks postpartum.

[00:31:03] Tracey Tee: And we have moms that come to us at 70, 75, 80, 85 years old and. Again, the shared experience of motherhood is what kind of binds us together and gives us a common language to explore what it means to be a happy, healthy mom. Because happy, healthy moms raise happy, healthy kids. And so inside the idea of being a happy, healthy mom are multiple things.

[00:31:25] Tracey Tee: We have a lot of moms who come in who are just like, I am relying way too much on my one to two to three glasses of wine every night. I want out. We have a lot of moms that come in that are like, I don't know how to not yell at my kids. I don't actually know how to not do that anymore. I want help.

[00:31:44] Tracey Tee: And they know, to your point, a lot of it is energy and mood, but they can't get past the swirling tornado that's around them to sink into a space where you don't have to be swirling anymore. A lot of that comes with this learned story. We don't have permission to be happy. We don't have permission to feel joy, and we don't have permission to feel anger and rage and sadness.

[00:32:15] Tracey Tee: All of those things are typically anesthetized in a bunch of different ways. We're either shoved to the side and told we're crazy. We're either said, oh, it's PMS. She's hysterical, she's nuts. Oh, let's give her a pill. She's crying too much. There's something wrong with her. She's depressed. But no one just says, maybe this is just a woman with big feelings at this time.

[00:32:35] Tracey Tee: And so I. The archetype really falls back into that. And then we have moms that are just, just deeply want to feel creativity again. And one of the biggest things I love hearing from mothers is after going through one of our courses and starting microdosing, is I've started painting again.

[00:32:55] Tracey Tee: I started writing again. I picked up my guitar. I'm playing music again. I'm singing at church choir again. Not because I need to do it as a career or start a Etsy store, but just because I freaking love it. And again, when you go into those joyful things, it trickles down into to your, how you raise your kids.

[00:33:15] Tracey Tee: And what we often forget as mothers is that we are women who happen to be moms. We are both, but we are women first. We are our own sovereign human being who has her own desires, her own creative pursuits, her own thoughts. She is her, she is herself, and then she happens to be a mom on top of it. And when we forget this part really suffers.

[00:33:37] Tracey Tee: And so bringing you back to that and saying, you know what? You actually have permission to take a bath. You have permission to go on a walk. You have permission to go to yoga class, you have permission to microdose. Then the whole world opens up because you realize that the human part of you has access to a lot of things that make you happier and healthier.

[00:33:57] Paul Austin: Yeah, the emotional variance I think is an important thing, right? We talked about with SSRIs, a lot of stuff can be kept below the surface when we start to microdose or do inner work. All of a sudden a lot of these emotions come online and a part of the process is even shifting our identity in such a way where we can come to love and accept these.

[00:34:16] Paul Austin: Parts of ourselves that are coming online that may be more messy and vulnerable. The joy and the bliss and the happiness and the love is great, but also the sadness and the shame and the grief, it's part of the process as well. 

[00:34:27] Tracey Tee: Yeah. And one real profound thing for me that I found that's both practical and spiritual is that I just, I completely changed how I mother.

[00:34:36] Tracey Tee: Because when you start to understand your own feelings, your own needs and desires you stop listening to what the world is telling you to do. And I, what really helped me as a mom is I started seeing the world through my daughter's eyes instead of through the eyes of an adult who has been programmed, who was raised by parents, who told her what to do, who had all these external influences.

[00:35:04] Tracey Tee: I started asking, what does Evie want? What's the best for Evie? And that actually changed everything for how we parent her. My kid actually doesn't like doing a ton of afterschool activities. It's not good for her. She needs her quiet time. I stopped listening to what my friends are doing. They stopped comparing myself to my friends and we changed schools.

[00:35:25] Tracey Tee: We dropped a bunch of activities. I gave my daughter space to to fill her own cup and recharge her own battery. And that looks a lot different than a lot of my friends and how they raise their kids and I stopped judging them. I let them do their own thing and knowing that I'm doing my own thing.

[00:35:43] Tracey Tee: And it just makes for just a lot less friction in your day-to-day life. And that is absolutely something that micro doses help microdosing helped me do. 

[00:35:51] Paul Austin: Beautiful. Well, I. Tracey, I'd love to transition into questions now, q and a. 'cause we have already quite a few questions. Some of which, many of which you probably heard before.

[00:36:00] Paul Austin: So we could, you could take as much time or as little time on, on each of these. The first one is microdosing and breastfeeding. Yeah. Or microdosing in pregnancy. Yeah. How do you typically navigate that? 

[00:36:11] Tracey Tee: Yes. I'm actually really excited for this question. I have been knee deep. We have created a resource guide that has compiled every scientific paper research study conversation that we could find about breastfeeding and we've put it in one place.

[00:36:28] Tracey Tee: I guess if you guys are here, I'll get that out to you at some point. It's a tricky one because there's not a ton of actual research data. FDA hasn't approved it. We don't want to harm the life of the child or the mother. There's anecdotal and there's theoretical. My answer for me personally is that there is a general per for pervasive theory that.

[00:36:56] Tracey Tee: Psilocybin in particular, does not attach to breast milk lipids in the fat lipids in the way that cannabis or alcohol does, combined with the idea that with the known knowledge that psilocybin exits the body within 18 to 24 hours completely, you can, and then if you add microdosing, you're taking such a small, tiny amount that will exit quickly.

[00:37:21] Tracey Tee: You can decide if that feels right for you. But there are plenty of other substances that do remain in the bloodstream, including caffeine for days potentially that are very different than psilocybin. We also do prescribe SSRIs in pregnancy and during breastfeeding. Again, we're working on the serotonin receptors and the doctors that, and researchers that I've spoken to directly suggest that if that is being prescribed, then you could pause it, that psilocybin would have the general same.

[00:37:51] Tracey Tee: Effect. And then my other, and so again, you decide from there. My other question mark, or to offer is that we go back to our wisdom traditions and cultural traditions that have been working with this medicine for generations. And we know that there are mothers who, take ayahuasca during childbirth.

[00:38:11] Tracey Tee: We know that Eros and Shapiros are often, tapped at very young ages and have been working with psychedelic medicine as early as six years old. And and they're serving and living long, fruitful lives. So I think looking at our wisdom traditions and asking what are they doing and looking at the outcomes is a very helpful way to reframe the fear around it.

[00:38:33] Tracey Tee: But ultimately I think it's a mom's decision. But I, we do have a resource guide. At least it compiles all the science as much as we can find. 

[00:38:41] Paul Austin: What about, can you still hear me? Yeah, I'm coming through. Okay, fantastic. Can you speak to this relationship if someone is on an SSRI or if they're on Wellbutrin, a mood stabilizer or an SNRI and they wanna start to microdose with psilocybin how to navigate that process?

[00:38:58] Tracey Tee: Sure. We know that an SSRI or s SNRI typically blunts the effect of psilocybin. Again, a very basic, illustration is that like SSRIs are closers and a psychedelic psilocybin is an opener. Okay. So you can see how they would be in conflict. So typically they don't contraindicate unless it's lithium, which is not an SRI.

[00:39:20] Tracey Tee: Most SSRIs don't contraindicate with psilocybin, which means that you may, you can do both. You may have to take a higher dose than others. And you may not feel the effects, but it's possible to work with both. And if the goal is titration off of the SSRI. Microdosing can actually be very supportive in this.

[00:39:43] Tracey Tee: And Paul, I know you have a million things to say about this. It can be very supportive in the negative effects of coming off of an SSRI. And I think in that space, I also am just doing more research and experimentation. I really think stacking with functional mushrooms during that time is actually really beneficial as well.

[00:40:02] Tracey Tee: So it's possible. And we have it, we have women coming all the time, and then there's really great pharmacologists psycho, psychedelic pharmacologists out there that are really dedicating their studies and their livelihoods to the intersection of psychedelics and pharmacology. And I would advise anyone to.

[00:40:18] Tracey Tee: Book a consultation with someone and come up with a really clearly defined titration schedule. 

[00:40:23] Paul Austin: Yeah, my advice would be talk to a psychiatric professional if this is something that you want to move forward with. In speaking with friends of mine who are psychiatrist, I think another great option to look at if you are on someone who is on a mood stabilizer or an SSRI is ketamine as well as a legal option.

[00:40:39] Paul Austin: Ketamine interacts with the brain much differently than psilocybin, in particular, ketamine is legal and available. And so I will point people in those directions and the jury's a little mixed on this, but I would also advise not doing very high doses of psilocybin if on an SSRI or s or on an SNRI, just because it's rare.

[00:41:00] Paul Austin: But there is some concern about issues with serotonin syndrome, which we don't have enough time to go fully into. But the crux of it is, if you're gonna do this, do so under the guidance of a medical professional. Don't just. Maverick it and just hope for the best. 'cause that might not end, yeah. In a very in a very good way. Okay. 

[00:41:21] Tracey Tee: I also just wanna say, we also don't ever encourage anyone just to quit cold Turkey. I know sometimes it's oh, microdosing really resonates with me. Oh my gosh, I wanna do it. This feels right. I hate the Zoloft. I wanna quit. And then they just quit.

[00:41:34] Tracey Tee: And that can be incredibly destabilizing. The body does create a dependence on those substances, and it can really mess you up. So I think titration is always advised. 

[00:41:46] Paul Austin: I would agree with that. Any advice on how to introduce microdosing to family, especially family that may be more conservative? 

[00:41:53] Tracey Tee: Woo. Yeah.

[00:41:54] Tracey Tee: Unpopular answer may not go well. It did not for me. It's, I think but my heartfelt answer is that you just have to walk the walk, right? And. I think showing responsible, intentional use, and again, being able to vocalize your why to someone who's very intrinsically judgmental or scared or just diametrically opposed to psychedelics.

[00:42:20] Tracey Tee: And just sharing why this is your choice and what you hope your outcome is. And not that you're just doing it as a fad or that it's a flippant decision, but that it's very, that you are empowered with knowledge. You do understand what you're taking. Typically people can't really argue with facts.

[00:42:40] Tracey Tee: And then if you get pushback, then your life becomes your message, as Gandhi said. And just live the best life that you can and showcase in the best way. The changes that this beautiful medicine is creating in your life. And that doesn't actually require a conversation. And if someone isn't willing to see that and applaud you one of those onion layers sometimes might be that those aren't the people that might ultimately remain in your life in a really close way like they were before.

[00:43:13] Tracey Tee: So it's tricky. I also think it's changing rapidly as this becomes more mainstream. There's so much information, there's so many good podcasts and conversations to point people to, not the least of which is, his honor, Andrew Huberman. And so there's things that you can talk about that are easy and and besides that, you just gotta walk the walk.

[00:43:36] Paul Austin: Thank you. What can you expect from your first experience with microdosing? 

[00:43:42] Tracey Tee: Sometimes not that much. You might just have a day where you just have a little bit more pep in your step. It really depends on where you're at in life. There's so many factors. Microdosing isn't a one size fits all, affects every human different.

[00:43:57] Tracey Tee: And there's so many things that go into that, not the least of which is what you ate that morning, how much sleep you had, how much stress you're under. So many factors play in to how psilocybin hits in the body. So for me, I, within the first week, I was really starting to feel like my life just going like this.

[00:44:15] Tracey Tee: Like I, I love mushrooms. You, I for sure put on this earth to work with mushrooms. It is my master teacher. And but I was also in a deeply introspective space where I was doing a lot of spiritual work. So it just amplified that and I was ready for it. But I think within the first two weeks you'll probably notice some positive results, which, it may just be like, oh, I just didn't yell at my kid or my partner when I normally would've oh my gosh, that just didn't bum me out like it used to.

[00:44:47] Tracey Tee: Wow. That was a really funny joke and I really laughed and it feels really good to laugh. Or, oh, I took a bath. They're small micro things that you may not notice until you reflect back. 

[00:44:57] Paul Austin: I love baths. I'm so glad you mentioned 

[00:45:00] Tracey Tee: baths are the best. 

[00:45:01] Paul Austin: Yeah, they're the absolute best. For one final question.

[00:45:05] Paul Austin: Okay. This is a question from Mickey who, and she asked it twice, so it sounds like it's very important. Do you believe mushrooms are intelligent and can we ask for targeted healing when we set our intentions or specific help when we're working with mushrooms? 

[00:45:20] Tracey Tee: What a beautiful question. Yes, I absolutely think mushrooms are intelligent.

[00:45:25] Tracey Tee: I believe mushrooms are, for me, it feels like a multiple entity energy. It feels plural. In South American cultures they call them Los Nino de Children of the light. And it really feels that way. Can you ask them for specific things? Yes. Will you always get it? No. Do you in prayer ask for specific things?

[00:45:51] Tracey Tee: Does God give you exactly what you ask for? No, I think what we're understanding is that intention, and again, personal accountability and the the openness to your own shadow and your own desires is paramount to you achieving whatever you want. Maria Sabina said, at best you are the medicine.

[00:46:12] Tracey Tee: These are tools that can help and they are intelligent. They will help you see what you may not be able to see on your own. And from there, it's up to you to decide if the changes you wanna make are going to happen. I don't know. That might have been too obtuse, but I think that's how I feel. 

[00:46:34] Paul Austin: Said.

[00:46:35] Paul Austin: Final question. Can you speak to sourcing the elephant in the room? Okay. Microdosing, it sounds great. How do I get the mushrooms? Where do I go for this? 

[00:46:42] Tracey Tee: Yeah, I can't speak to that. 

[00:46:45] Paul Austin: I could speak to it. Go ahead. I'm happy to, I'm happy to handle that tiger by the tail. So with third wave, I can say on third wave we have a mushroom grow kit, which is fully legal.

[00:46:55] Paul Austin: You can essentially order a grow kit. You'd have to order the spores separately and grow them. Grow them yourself. I also know, we, we've amplified a few different platforms. I'm really speaking with my third wave hat on now, not my Microdosing collective app because pretty much anyone who is openly selling this is doing so illegal.

[00:47:11] Paul Austin: It's why we started Microdosing Collective in the first place. But there are a couple in particular that are trustworthy. There's one called golden Rule, which is based out of Colorado, and then there's another one that is called Souly that does things on a donation basis. And they have a lot of sort of rationales and reasons as to how it's legal.

[00:47:34] Paul Austin: A lot of it has to do with it being on a donation basis, being part of a church. It's a somewhat gray area, but there are now quite a few platforms that are openly selling micro doses. The challenge is there's no consumer protection. So again I know these two because they're run by friends of mine.

[00:47:52] Paul Austin: I know the quality is very good. But there's, it's a bit of a wild west out there, and so a lot of folks are just going into. A random smoke shop or head shop, and they're buying a mushroom chocolate that they see in there, and you actually don't really know whether it's real mushrooms that are in there.

[00:48:09] Paul Austin: So my advice would be for anyone who's potentially purchasing psilocybin to do so through a trusted source to maybe even grow your own to start. Like I said, there are very easy ways to do that. And on third Wave even we have a sourcing guide, like a downloadable PDF that will help point people in the right directions for that because that often is 

[00:48:28] Tracey Tee: it is these questions and, we do have a really easy program called Microdosing 1 0 1 for moms.

[00:48:35] Tracey Tee: And it you get a really great live. Seminar from me that's live once a month you get a really great self-paced course, and then you get connected to a licensed nutritionist who will discuss mushrooms with you and someone who we trust very much. So that's, I just dropped the link in the chat for that too.

[00:48:56] Tracey Tee: Great. But agree on the other, or your other sources and grow your own. Mushrooms are the best. They grow everywhere. They grow everywhere in the country. So the most democratic thing you can do is grow it yourself. And I will say moms and mushrooms are a private membership. It's $2 and 22 cents a month to join.

[00:49:12] Tracey Tee: It's called the Grow. And we have a flourishing home grow club in there. It's probably our most popular subgroup of hundreds and hundreds of moms growing shrooms in Oh, fun. Their laundry rooms and spare bathrooms and doing a great job. 

[00:49:29] Paul Austin: That's fantastic. Let's bring Allie back up to the stage.

[00:49:31] Paul Austin: Allie, if you could come join us. We'd love to, to have you here. Welcome back. Welcome back, Allie. It's good to see you. Welcome back. Um, Tracey, it 

[00:49:41] Alli Schaper: made me so emotional to hear you talk. It was so beautiful. Oh, 

[00:49:47] Paul Austin: what are some of your reflections, ally and where can people go from here in terms of what we're up to with Microdosing Collective and all these sorts of things?

[00:49:56] Alli Schaper: Yeah. I think I'll use and I'll comment on what Tracey shared and then I'll use that as a segue to get into what we're doing and how you can support and things that we have coming up. But I think so often people are talking about the very logistical intellectual part of this, and what you just spoke to so beautifully is the heart medicine and the leaning into your own intuition that this gives every human the ability to have access to.

[00:50:20] Alli Schaper: I've actually refined my own language as I, my whole world is surrounded with mushrooms, functional mushrooms, psychedelic mushrooms. I talk about mycelium a lot and the wisdom from fungi, and I often would say mushrooms changed my life. And the refinement that I started using it was that they gave me the opportunity to change my life and gave me the awareness to do and so I think you're speaking into a really potent area where the ability to stand in your own truth in a world that's trying to tell you different or trying to tell you your intention is different. Every single thing can be poison or medicinal in the right dose, and maybe even the same person using the same thing.

[00:51:01] Alli Schaper: But with the different intention, it completely changes the impact. Mushrooms don't lie 'cause they have spirit within them. And so when you're commuting with these substances, the intention that you put in that into them is everything. And oftentimes the things that come up are the things that we don't wanna look at.

[00:51:17] Alli Schaper: But if we do look at, they'll just radically change our life in so many ways. So I was very deeply affected by what you shared. I don't wanna lose track of that in my own path. 'cause a lot, we're focused on advocating for the legalization of this and trying to prove the science that the community and the impact that is being made on all these live really does speak for itself.

[00:51:36] Alli Schaper: So your story's really impactful. So thank you. And a few things that are going on over here, as we shared at the beginning, microdosing Collective is the first 5 0 1 C3, I think in the world, but definitely in the United States focused on the legalization of microdosing. So we're this house, this community.

[00:51:54] Alli Schaper: Central hub for all things microdosing. We have a wide variety of people that are a part of our community, and the major goal of this initiative is not only community education, but eventually to actually support the legalization of these things. Because all the beautiful things that Tracey just talked about are all currently illegal on a mass market scale.

[00:52:14] Alli Schaper: And we want to make sure that people have legal, safe, educated access to this really impactful medicine and the supported resource and practice around it, which is the most important thing. So that being said, a few things that are going on is we are in the process of focused specifically on California with legalization.

[00:52:34] Alli Schaper: We have a policy team. We hired the first ever microdosing lobbyist to be a part of our organization and help us find like a bill stakeholder, like a key person that can sponsor. Our bill in California and our, our proposition to help make sure this is included in future psychedelic policy.

[00:52:53] Alli Schaper: So we're making really great headway there. We have two events scheduled later this year to advocate and introduce and educate this concept to people that are actually working in the capital lobbyist, senators, et cetera. So that's what's happening on the policy side. And Josh Capital is our co-founder lawyer that helped legalize psychedelics in Colorado and passed the most progressive Derim bill.

[00:53:17] Alli Schaper: Very successful psychedelic lawyers. That's our triad of people here that are spearheading this organization. And on the community side, we have a few fun things coming up. We are doing a big party at MAPS on June 19th. So if you're gonna be at Psychedelic Science, which is the large psychedelic conference that maps.

[00:53:35] Alli Schaper: Hosts, we are going to be there with our entire team, our entire community in Denver. It's gonna be super fun. Our approach to building community is to host really incredible parties and do those around psychedelic conferences and really bring together people in the spirit of what it means to be a microdosing community and what so much of the chat has reflected.

[00:53:57] Alli Schaper: What Nicole reflected as well is this community is so beautiful. So a lot of people just have come to our events and this crew of people is amazing without even necessarily realizing that it's, what we represent, but just love the community and wanna be a part of it and then get introduced to Microdosing because the community is so beautiful and they're like, what are these people doing?

[00:54:18] Alli Schaper: I wanna be a part of it. So that's happening on June 19th. Chelsea will be sending an invite out for that. Shortly. So if you stay in touch with everything we're doing, Instagram, newsletter, et cetera, you will be in the loop for that. Cool. And then the last thing I wanted to mention is this very exciting project that we have been working on, is that we just launched a research study.

[00:54:39] Alli Schaper: So all of this to be said, even though the community speaks for itself, all of that great stuff, we still are in a world that operates on the science. And we also wanna be a part of moving the science forward around microdosing. And so we're plugging into a few other research studies, but one of the ones that we just recently launched ourself spearheaded by Stephanie Caron, who runs our research committee, is a study for microdosing on chronic headaches.

[00:55:05] Alli Schaper: And so this is live, you can apply for it now. It's a retroactive study. Here are the requirements. So flagging this, if anyone here has actually experienced this, you have to be 18 years or older experience chronic headaches around 15 per month for the last three months. And you've used psychedelics, any sort of psychedelic, doesn't need to be microdosing while experiencing headaches.

[00:55:28] Alli Schaper: And we wanna do research on basically the impact of psychedelics on your experience that would then be used to go and fuel a larger study. So that is live. Chelsea will put the link to apply to that study. Chelsea, if you can pop that in the chat, that would be amazing. And all of the stuff that we're doing, I guess I'll end my last second year with all the stuff that we're doing, is really taking this community, growing the media, growing the impact to actually inform legal policy so that more people can have access to this beautiful tool in a legal and safe way.

[00:55:59] Alli Schaper: I think I went over my time, but I'm gonna pass it back to Paul.

[00:56:06] Paul Austin: Thank you, Allie. Microdosing collective.org party is June 19th at Maps. It'll be at a place called The Clubhouse. We also have that research study that Allie talked about. Make sure to go if you haven't signed up yet for Tracey t. Moms on Mushrooms, moms on mushrooms.com, the Grow. Tracey dropped a link in there.

[00:56:24] Paul Austin: And then if you're looking for a great podcast to listen to, check out Third Wave Psychedelic podcast. That'll be my plug. It'll be it'll be another few weeks. We'll have another one. We're continuing to do monthly webinars for the Microdosing Collective, so just keep an eye out for future webinars.

[00:56:38] Paul Austin: We want to give, a big note of appreciation to Tracey for joining us today. So thank you Tracey. And, um, and also big thanks to Allie for joining us and being part of us. And Monica, I would imagine Tracey met monthly. It's two bucks, but yearly it might be 20. 25 bucks, right, Tracey?

[00:56:56] Paul Austin: Yeah. It's 25 for the 

[00:56:58] Tracey Tee: year. Yeah, that's just our community. We have plenty of other resources and I think we dropped, there's just a free PDF too, if anyone, if you're just curious. And I guide you through 12 questions to ask yourself if microdosing is right for you. So you can start there. It's totally free.

[00:57:11] Tracey Tee: I can drop the link in again or Chelsea can, but yeah. And thank you guys so much. Anything you do, I am fully supportive of, so always happy to be with you and the fellow tall girl always. 

[00:57:24] Alli Schaper: I love it. Last two things. Just quick mention, follow Tracey on Instagram. Moms, it's moms on mushrooms official, right?

[00:57:29] Alli Schaper: Is your handle? Yes. 

[00:57:30] Tracey Tee: Yeah, 

[00:57:30] Alli Schaper: mom's a mushroom official. Check us out on Instagram and the best way to support and have this basically grow and grow viral is to share all Tracey stuff and share our newsletter. We're gonna be using that as like our community fuel our petition of sorts to inform legal policies.

[00:57:44] Alli Schaper: So share our newsletter with a bunch of people that you think would love it, or even edgy people that might not like it, but you want to introduce to this conversation. Yeah. 

[00:57:54] Paul Austin: All right. Thank you all. Thank you, 

[00:57:56] Alli Schaper: Chelsea. Bye everyone. Bye. Thank you everyone.